Merged Spectre vs. Thanos with the Heart of the Universe

The Spectre is a plot device.
The inconsistency of his appearances is proof enough. You can't go from getting punched out by the Batman to eliminating all magic at the behest of Lady Eclipso and not be labeled inconsistent. He's been owned by the wizard Shazam, thrown around by Captain Marvel, taken to task by Sinestro's ghost, soul-shattered by Cauld, he wasn't able to completely eradicate the King of Tears, he's been affected by the power of the 5th dimension by Emperor Joker. Without a host, he's a ghost with ADHD. He's said as much himself.
How can you be so blind as to overlook all of that ?

Originally posted by BlackJackal
The Spectre is a plot device.
The inconsistency of his appearances is proof enough. You can't go from getting punched out by the Batman to eliminating all magic at the behest of Lady Eclipso and not be labeled inconsistent. He's been owned by the wizard Shazam, thrown around by Captain Marvel, taken to task by Sinestro's ghost, soul-shattered by Cauld, he wasn't able to completely eradicate the King of Tears, he's been affected by the power of the 5th dimension by Emperor Joker. Without a host, he's a ghost with ADHD. He's said as much himself.
How can you be so blind as to overlook all of that ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
no its outsmarting. that is what etrigan planned. this is what he intended to happen. spectre is just easily duped. eclipso did it badddddddddd. and etrigan did it also. spectre just loses touch and needs a host to lean on. thanos needs no one to lean on.

attentionwhore

If Spectre is as stupid as you make him sound, do you really think the Presence would give him a job????

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
attentionwhore

If Spectre is as stupid as you make him sound, do you really think the Presence would give him a job????

Originally posted by quanchi112
well since eclipso was the first wrath....isnt it fair to say that the presence makes errors in judgment. u know with free will and all.

You do know that God has a box of spectres? The presence never makes mistakes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You know that God does not meet out the same lvl of judgement to everyone right? His wrath isn't the same for everyone. Thus the spectre's power is always the same, but God's wrath isn't. Sometimes God is merciful and gives beings a chance to make a stand. Why do you think lucifer wasn't completely obliterated when he tried to take over heaven? God is a creature who no one understands. Thus the spectre being his right hand, is not to be understood. The merged Spectre would ***** Thanos with the heart into a blip on the radar by showing him how small he is, and how used he was. the wrath of God takes many forms. Not all of them with pure force of will. Punishment takes many forms. Thus Spectre's " inconsistant" showings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
well since eclipso was the first wrath....isnt it fair to say that the presence makes errors in judgment. u know with free will and all.

Supreme Beings do not make errors. If they did, they would not be Supreme.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do know that God has a box of spectres? The presence never makes mistakes.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Supreme Beings do not make errors. If they did, they would not be Supreme.

Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos with heart had one showing. its called multiversal ownage. until spectrre does even half of that hes not in thanos league in this respect. spectre said he couldnt handle the power anyways, he was designed to be wrath not be supreme. thus why he cant handle the burden he wasnt meant to.

You are the dummest creature on earth. Thanos never pwned any multiverse. And Spectre destroys universes with stray thoughts. He was once Everything. He was the Entire DC omniverse. He could feel and see every moment of infinite seas of universes. He couldn't handle the burden of GOD. And neither could thanos. Thanos was NEVER God. Get that thru your thick head. He never had full control, didn't know the future, didn't know he was being used, he didn't even know that he missed warlock and death. thus he was NEVER god, was never in control, and never had god's power. God's power rest in his TOTAL soveriengty. Anything Less is NOT the power God. Anyone who says that he had the power of God is full of shit becuz one has to be totally omnipotent in every sense of the word to have the power of God. Anything less is just being a higher version of the LT or Spectre.

Originally posted by quanchi112
they can make errors in judgment. supreme being cant be overthrown. but with free will we can screw things up. if the supreme controlled us this statement would be true, free will ruins ur theory.

no...free will is a choice that the created being has. If the created being chooses to rebel...then it is the created beings error...not the Supreme Being's error. The Presence has Omniscience...he would know what his created beings will do at any moment...before they actually do it. Supreme Beings can not be surprised at any outcome....because they already know what will happen. With that said...how can they err...when they already know the outcome to any situation?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are the dummest creature on earth. Thanos never pwned any multiverse. And Spectre destroys universes with stray thoughts. He was once Everything. He was the Entire DC omniverse. He could feel and see every moment of infinite seas of universes. He couldn't handle the burden of GOD. And neither could thanos. Thanos was NEVER God. Get that thru your thick head. He never had full control, didn't know the future, didn't know he was being used, he didn't even know that he missed warlock and death. thus he was NEVER god, was never in control, and never had god's power. God's power rest in his TOTAL soveriengty. Anything Less is NOT the power God. Anyone who says that he had the power of God is full of shit becuz one has to be totally omnipotent in every sense of the word to have the power of God. Anything less is just being a higher version of the LT or Spectre.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
no...free will is a choice that the created being has. If the created being chooses to rebel...then it is the created beings error...not the Supreme Being's error. The Presence has Omniscience...he would know what his created beings will do at any moment...before they actually do it. Supreme Beings can not be surprised at any outcome....because they already know what will happen. With that said...how can they err...when they already know the outcome to any situation?

Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos was said as being supreme and one with everything in reality. in the comic. stated. ur arguments are as bad as ur screen icon. for a guy that hates superman for destroying ds u should switch ur little icon. anyways back on topic. spectre coulndt handle it while thanos also could see everyhting and was perfectly fine. he saw everything in the mutiverse at the time. thanos pawned lt like nothing becuz he was needed by the supreme to become the supreme to save reality....spectre is designed to be wrath. he couldnt ahndle the power while thanos handled it and then some. i win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos was stated as being supreme when he had the IG as well. we know it isn't true don't we. One can be supreme and not be Omnipotent. Thanos was NEVEr Omnipotent thus he was never god. Thanos didn't handle any power you dimwit. He was used. he was a pawn in God's game. thus he never handled anything. He was chosen and used for a task.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he was used becuz no one else could do it. if the supreme needs u to save the multiverse u save the mutiverse its a high honor. spectre cant handle the power while thanos can, plain and simple! 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
if the supreme being knew what the being would do why give eclipso the job in the first place. it makes no sense. to give someone a job knowing full well the evil they will do is a bad decision. anyway u look at it. giving eclipso the job was a bad move. eclispo also used the new wrath to get its way again. 😆

Ok, DC uses Christian concepts to some extent. The Presence is supposed to represent, in some fashion, the Christian and Jewish God.
In the Bible, God knew that Adam and Eve would fall. God knew that Lucifer would rebel. Much of the Bible is prophetic in nature. God knows the choices every human will make...He's God. God allows free will because He does not want a bunch of robots serving Him. He wants people to worship Him, because they CHOOSE to worship Him. That's why free will was established....for man to have a choice. The same holds true in DC comics. Even though the Presence KNOWS what Eclipso or Spectre will do....He still gives them assignments. And yes...they fail...because, unlike the Presence...they are not perfect...they are prone to mistakes. Any being less than the Supreme is prone to mistakes. Giving an evil natured individual a job may have been part of the Presence's plan...maybe he saw a way to make something good happen from it. In any event, the Presence allowed it for a reason. He would know the evil intentions hidden in Eclipso's heart...He's all knowing. So, Eclipso was never, never fooling the Presence at any moment.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Ok, DC uses Christian concepts to some extent. The Presence is supposed to represent, in some fashion, the Christian and Jewish God.
In the Bible, God knew that Adam and Eve would fall. God knew that Lucifer would rebel. Much of the Bible is prophetic in nature. God knows the choices every human will make...He's God. God allows free will because He does not want a bunch of robots serving Him. He wants people to worship Him, because they CHOOSE to worship Him. That's why free will was established....for man to have a choice. The same holds true in DC comics. Even though the Presence KNOWS what Eclipso or Spectre will do....He still gives them assignments. And yes...they fail...because, unlike the Presence...they are not perfect...they are prone to mistakes. Any being less than the Supreme is prone to mistakes. Giving an evil natured individual a job may have been part of the Presence's plan...maybe he saw a way to make something good happen from it. In any event, the Presence allowed it for a reason. He would know the evil intentions hidden in Eclipso's heart...He's all knowing. So, Eclipso was never, never fooling the Presence at any moment.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are you dumb or what? Spectre already has the power to save the multiverse. Thanos only healed one universe. It stated universe many times in the story arc. At any rate, The Spectre replaced God and didn't want any part of it. Thanos never replaced god. I bore of you. I shall put you back on ignore. You just like attention and are a post w h o r e.

Originally posted by quanchi112
im not here to argue religion and philosophy. talk about never proving a point. 😆 i knew it was going to boil down to u using its all a part of his mysterious plan. this isnt real life its comics. so that doesnt apply here. the pressence isnt perfect either hes divine. there is a big difference there. what we know is eclipso was a bad choice. she failed at her job and needed replaced. fact and quit philosophizing.

OMG. You have no idea about DC comics do you? The presence already knew eclipso would fail. hence the box of spectres you dummy. Do you remember I told you he had a box of them? you lose. You ever wonder why the presence never stirs, becuz he's perfect and omnipotent.