Beta Ray Bill vs Black Adam

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We will have to disagree. I think Bill is just as agressive and Just as strong. Especially having his odin force power Supercharged by the power cosmic. I can see Bill doing the exact same things BA did. Villians tend to become team wreckers only for story sake. But heroes do the feats that put them on entirely different lvls. BA was wrecking the JSA. Where in the hell was the thunder bolt? Why was alan scott and Dr. fate pwned? They stood up to Surtur and the Nebula man. Both superior to BA. So I just take Adam's showings with a grain. There was a reason WW and Superman weren't around. His story couldn't have been thus with those two anywhere on the scene. The other heroes could jobber to adam.

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Originally posted by Juntai
OK, it's all PIS, jobbing, etc now. lol.

Unless you can explain to me how Adam could over power fate's spells and alan's magic, when Surtur and nebula man couldn't just steam roll the JSA i'd like to know. I Think BA is very powerful. But he isn't Superior TO BRB. To me they are both Top tiers easily.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Unless you can explain to me how Adam could over power fate's spells and alan's magic, when Surtur and nebula man couldn't just steam roll the JSA i'd like to know. I Think BA is very powerful. But he isn't Superior TO BRB. To me they are both Top tiers easily.

It's clear which character has been better debated and represented in this thread.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We will have to disagree. I think Bill is just as agressive and Just as strong. Especially having his odin force power Supercharged by the power cosmic. I can see Bill doing the exact same things BA did. Villians tend to become team wreckers only for story sake. But heroes do the feats that put them on entirely different lvls. BA was wrecking the JSA. Where in the hell was the thunder bolt? Why was alan scott and Dr. fate pwned? They stood up to Surtur and the Nebula man. Both superior to BA. So I just take Adam's showings with a grain. There was a reason WW and Superman weren't around. His story couldn't have been thus with those two anywhere on the scene. The other heroes could jobber to adam.

Originally posted by Juntai
The point is, you or no one else here have presented anything at all that has a bearing on the fight. Despite all evidence of Adam smashing teams left and right, dropping top tiers with ease, all that's in reply is "Bill wins, he has a hammer", when it's mostly not going to decide anything in this battle. Or claiming PIS or jobbing over Adam's feats, regardless of the consistancy and the calibre he's written at.

It's clear which character has been better debated and represented in this thread.

What top tiers did Adam Drop? Wonder Woman? Orion? SUperman? Hal jordan? Flash?

Originally posted by Juntai
The point is, you or no one else here have presented anything at all that has a bearing on the fight. Despite all evidence of Adam smashing teams left and right, dropping top tiers with ease, all that's in reply is "Bill wins, he has a hammer", when it's mostly not going to decide anything in this battle. Or claiming PIS or jobbing over Adam's feats, regardless of the consistancy and the calibre he's written at.

It's clear which character has been better debated and represented in this thread.

So if we have a thread with spiderman vs Thanos and spiderman is better represented....spiderman wins?

They are close in comparison and i believe the hammer will give the edge,lets not forget BFR...since you like to critique other replies..yours seem to be DC bias if you ask me...but hey more power to you

Originally posted by starlock
So if we have a thread with spiderman vs Thanos and spiderman is better represented....spiderman wins?

They are close in comparison and i believe the hammer will give the edge,lets not forget BFR...since you like to critique other replies..yours seem to be DC bias if you ask me...but hey more power to you

Black Adam for a decade since his character revival has strode the Earth like Thanos strides the cosmos, but that doesn't matter, because it's all PIS and jobbing... and Bill has a hammer.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What top tiers did Adam Drop? Wonder Woman? Orion? SUperman? Hal jordan? Flash?

Originally posted by Juntai
Haven't you even been paying attention?

I read WWIII. I don't remember any of the top tiers being dropped. As I said, Superman? Wonder Woman? Flash? Hal Jordan? Captain Marvel even. BA in my opinion is a match for BRB. The hammer just edges him out a lil more.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I read WWIII. I don't remember any of the top tiers being dropped. As I said, Superman? Wonder Woman? Flash? Hal Jordan? Captain Marvel even. BA in my opinion is a match for BRB. The hammer just edges him out a lil more.

Eclipso?
http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=84246_eclipso3.jpg
http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=b288d_eclipso4.jpg

These scans and others are all over the thread, buddy.

Originally posted by Juntai
Haven't you even been paying attention?

Originally posted by Juntai
As I said, Adam wasn't just a monster for one arc, he has always been that way.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=d4b56_wind1.jpg
http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=9058f_wind2.jpg
http://img24.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=6bbab_wind3.jpg
http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=13d60_wind4.jpg
http://img44.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=4238f_wind5.jpg
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=18b84_wind6.jpg
http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c39e8_wind7.jpg
http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=2c404_wind8.jpg

Is that supposed to be impressive? Black Adam fighting Captain Marvel and a couple of low powered guys?

BRB is rather lacking when it comes to fighting strong guys, but I don't see the need to post scans where Black Adam's fighting people who are inferior to him and far weaker. It's like posting the scan of Black Adam beating the teen titans and claiming that it's a skyfather feat.

Originally posted by Juntai
Amazo?
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0004xpfwir7.jpg

Eclipso?
http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=84246_eclipso3.jpg
http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=b288d_eclipso4.jpg

These scans and others are all over the thread, buddy.

I dont' know what powers amazo was tapping. I certainly thought that was rediculous considering Superman is far stronger than Adam and he can't do that. I also know that Batman and knight wing beat up on an amazo. So not all amazo's are created equal. Without knowing which powers he was tapping, the feat is a non feat IMO. As far as eclipso, i dont' know enough about that. Eclipso's powers is always all over. once Eclipso was happy to have the power of Superman and Wonder Woman. So I dont' know if Beating him is all that cool. I'd have to see the story. didn't read it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know what powers amazo was tapping. I certainly thought that was rediculous considering Superman is far stronger than Adam and he can't do that. I also know that Batman and knight wing beat up on an amazo. So not all amazo's are created equal. Without knowing which powers he was tapping, the feat is a non feat IMO. As far as eclipso, i dont' know enough about that. Eclipso's powers is always all over. once Eclipso was happy to have the power of Superman and Wonder Woman. So I dont' know if Beating him is all that cool. I'd have to see the story. didn't read it.

Originally posted by llagrok
Is that supposed to be impressive? Black Adam fighting Captain Marvel and a couple of low powered guys?

BRB is rather lacking when it comes to fighting strong guys, but I don't see the need to post scans where Black Adam's fighting people who are inferior to him and far weaker. It's like posting the scan of Black Adam beating the teen titans and claiming that it's a skyfather feat.

Originally posted by Juntai
Uh huh.

Is that a reply? you can rebut the amazo feat by telling me what powers amazo had and disproving me about the batman and nightwing thing by explaining it away. That is what we do right? And I dont' know about eclipso so enlighten me. As I said, The last time I really read eclipso, was in the annuals when he was all too thrilled to have Superman And WW's bodies. So if he's still at the lvl he was then where he wanted thier power, then I"m a bit unimpressed. Has he grown in power since then?

Originally posted by Juntai
Apperently you don't know hard some of those characters hit and the abilities they have. But either way, good thing it's backed up with tons of other examples across several pages. Way to ignore them and try to nitpick though.

Omg, hawkgirl and atom smasher. Teh skyfaterz!!!11oen

Seriously though, Black Adam has more decent feats than Beta Ray Bill, but half of his feats include him fighting kids and weak guys. Also, like they mentioned in WW3 Black Adam was the only one who was bloodlusted. Unlike the others, all of his punches meant to killl. No one except the great nine fought like that.

Here is BA dropping Fate.

Here is BA dropping Allan Scott, and Hourman, and a couple other people.

Here is Hal punching down Batman.

IIRC, he fought Eclipso when she and Spectre came to Kahndaq.

She didn't fight anyone of great standing, but did throw out some blasts from the black diamond.

The real feat from that arc is when he tore a hole in Spectres face.

To be honest tho, while i don't think Bill or Thor could replicate WW3, since they lack the natural superspeed, i do think they could melee most of the heroes that BA did, since aside from Cap Marvel there were no elite top tier bricks present.

GL's are good, but strength is always played up more in the DCU,(except for the period where Superman was ElectroSupes.......strange, that....)whereas energy manipulation plays second fiddle to it.

Do i think Bill or Thor could prove physically able to run roughshod over GL Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardener and PowerGirl, along with Hourman and Martian Manhunter?

Yep.

Adam got as far as he did through the killer combo of his strength, speed and rage.

Hell, Bill had the edge against WM Thor, until he dropped his guard.

WM Thor dropped Surfer, Maxam, Drax and a few others.

Not comparable numbers, but quality is there.

And Teth wins via his strength and speed combo> Bills strength and magic combo.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Is that a reply? you can rebut the amazo feat by telling me what powers amazo had and disproving me about the batman and nightwing thing by explaining it away. That is what we do right? And I dont' know about eclipso so enlighten me. As I said, The last time I really read eclipso, was in the annuals when he was all too thrilled to have Superman And WW's bodies. So if he's still at the lvl he was then where he wanted thier power, then I"m a bit unimpressed. Has he grown in power since then?

Originally posted by Tyrant

Here is Hal punching down Batman.

Hey, did you read the new Brave and the Bold?
Batman beat up the 'current' Legion of Superheros.
Even smacked up Karate Kid.