Beta Ray Bill vs Black Adam · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by UniOmni
IIRC, he fought Eclipso when she and Spectre came to Kahndaq.
She didn't fight anyone of great standing, but did throw out some blasts from the black diamond.
The real feat from that arc is when he tore a hole in Spectres face.
To be honest tho, while i don't think Bill or Thor could replicate WW3, since they lack the natural superspeed, i do think they could melee most of the heroes that BA did, since aside from Cap Marvel there were no elite top tier bricks present.
GL's are good, but strength is always played up more in the DCU,(except for the period where Superman was ElectroSupes.......strange, that....)whereas energy manipulation plays second fiddle to it.
Do i think Bill or Thor could prove physically able to run roughshod over GL Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardener and PowerGirl, along with Hourman and Martian Manhunter?
Yep.
Adam got as far as he did through the killer combo of his strength, speed and rage.
Hell, Bill had the edge against WM Thor, until he dropped his guard.
WM Thor dropped Surfer, Maxam, Drax and a few others.
Not comparable numbers, but quality is there.
And Teth wins via his strength and speed combo> Bills strength and magic combo.

Agree. And for the Record, Thor and Bill dont' need speed to hit masses of people when they could lighting strike most of the weaker opponents. Massive winds and lighting would do the same trick. Leaving only the tuffer ones to be hit with fist and hammers.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by UniOmni

And Teth wins via his strength and speed combo> Bills strength and magic combo.

Not to mention as I said, the magic would be mostly useless against someone from the Marvel family. They run through magic like a kid through sprinklers.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by UniOmni
Hell, Bill had the edge against WM Thor, until he dropped his guard.
WM Thor dropped Surfer, Maxam, Drax and a few others.
Not comparable numbers, but quality is there.

Fair enough but not necciarily true, that's some >=>= type of stuff. Got an example of Bill wrecking Thor and the entire Avengers roster at once and them not being able to stop him until he just 'settles down'?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't have to rebuttle anything, I'm the one that's proven everything in this thread over and over and over. All I get in return is PIS, Jobbing, and Bill has a hammer. I haven't gotten a single decent or well thought out/represented reply yet . Just excuses, bullshit, and "Bill has a hammer", not even what he may or may not do with a hammer to stop Adam - which really isn't much because he'll be smothered by Adam.. though sheer dominating presence in physical combat.

Well I have asked how fast Stardust is in space. I dont 'see BA dominating someone who can take on the likes of Stardust. I also see nothing at all that suggest BA is physically superior to BRB. As I remember, BRB is Thor's Superior in strength, And Thor is easily a match or Superior to BA in strength. I also said that the hammer can be used for pure bludgening force. I dont' give a damn how strong or durbable you are, When that hammer hits, it's going to sting. magic or not. It's still harder than Adam's skin. Adam got his face melted by martian vision. Hammer>>>MV. You Still haven't told me what powers amazo had when BA "pwned" him, or how powerful eclipso is. If he's more powerful than when he wanted Superman and WW's bodies.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Juntai
Fair enough but not necciarily true, that's some >=>= type of stuff. Got an example of Bill wrecking Thor and the entire Avengers roster at once and them not being able to stop him until he just 'settles down'?

Do super Human's get amped in moments of great grief and rage like normal humans?

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by UniOmni

To be honest tho, while i don't think Bill or Thor could replicate WW3, since they lack the natural superspeed, i do think they could melee most of the heroes that BA did, since aside from Cap Marvel there were no elite top tier bricks present.

I guess if you don't consider Martian Manhunter, Powergirl[With renewed Kryptonian legacy - no more fluctuating powers Post IC], Wonder Girl, Donna Troy, and others as quality brick characters, sure.

llagrok Restricted

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well I have asked how fast Stardust is in space. I dont 'see BA dominating someone who can take on the likes of Stardust. I also see nothing at all that suggest BA is physically superior to BRB. As I remember, BRB is Thor's Superior, And Thor is easily a match or Superior to BA in strength. I also said that the hammer can be used for pure bludgening force. I dont' give a damn how strong or durbable you are, When that hammer hits, it's going to sting. magic or not. It's still harder than Adam's skin. Adam got his face melted by martian vision. Hammer>>>MV. You Still haven't told me what powers amazo had when BA "pwned" him, or how powerful eclipso is. If he's more powerful than when he wanted Superman and WW's bodies.

I think Kurse proved how it's possible to "speedblitz" BRB/Thor if you just swing loose and hit them with enough force. Although that was way back in secret wars 2, so it's kind of hard to say whether or not it applies to today. I personally think BRB and Thor are beyond that, but who knows.

Although I doubt Adam can take many punches from Stormbreaker, I don't think that BRB can take THAT many punches.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Juntai
I guess if you don't consider Martian Manhunter, Powergirl[With renewed Kryptonian legacy - no more fluctuating powers Post IC], Wonder Girl, Donna Troy, and others as quality brick characters, sure.

MM could have beat BA. but BA used magic lighting on him and a mind reverse trick. niether would work on Brb becuz Bill isn't using mind powers and lighting isn't going to have much effect with that trust hammer around. Wonder Girl is no where in Niether of these guys' league. Donna and PG maybe, But Even still, not up to the lvls of the top tiers. Maybe around Starfire lvl.

Tyrant Dead

Originally posted by Juntai
Nice touch! lol.
Hey, did you read the new Brave and the Bold?
Batman beat up the 'current' Legion of Superheros.
Even smacked up Karate Kid.

Class 15 my ass!
😄

Also, this was the greatest part of the whole thing, in my opinion.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well I have asked how fast Stardust is in space. I dont 'see BA dominating someone who can take on the likes of Stardust. I also see nothing at all that suggest BA is physically superior to BRB. As I remember, BRB is Thor's Superior in strength, And Thor is easily a match or Superior to BA in strength. I also said that the hammer can be used for pure bludgening force. I dont' give a damn how strong or durbable you are, When that hammer hits, it's going to sting. magic or not. It's still harder than Adam's skin. Adam got his face melted by martian vision. Hammer>>>MV. You Still haven't told me what powers amazo had when BA "pwned" him, or how powerful eclipso is. If he's more powerful than when he wanted Superman and WW's bodies.

So you've still got nothing but hopes and dreams to provide to the thread, with a few mumblings of jobbing and PIS?

Storm went at it with Stardust too, I'm sure she can keep up with Black Adam too based on that. lol.

Adam has the greater combat speed here.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by llagrok
I think Kurse proved how it's possible to "speedblitz" BRB/Thor if you just swing loose and hit them with enough force. Although that was way back in secret wars 2, so it's kind of hard to say whether or not it applies to today. I personally think BRB and Thor are beyond that, but who knows.
Although I doubt Adam can take many punches from Stormbreaker, I don't think that BRB can take THAT many punches.

I dont' know all of BRB's appearances. And I dont know all of BA's. But what I do know, tells me that they are in the same class in stats and skill and even rage. So the only thing that can really be deciding factors is speed and the hammer. Bill has shown that he can fight faster beings, as stardust is faster than BA, and I have seen BA get his face melted by Martian vision. So, tho he's tuff, his invulnerability, isn't as good as CM's. Can't be. So I'd say Bill gets a slight very slight Nod.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Tyrant
Class 15 my ass!
😄
Also, this was the greatest part of the whole thing, in my opinion.

I like the initial escape, punching and kicking a couple, dropping a smoke bomb, and flying away with Brainy's ring. lol.

Tyrant Dead

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So, tho he's tuff, his invulnerability, isn't as good as CM's. Can't be.

If there was a "lip raise" smiley, I'd put it here...

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Juntai
So you've still got nothing but hopes and dreams to provide to the thread, with a few mumblings of jobbing and PIS?
Storm went at it with Stardust too, I'm sure she can keep up with Black Adam too based on that. lol.
Adam has the greater combat speed here.

I never said BRB was faster. I just said he has the ability to combat someone faster than BA. I dont' have any hopes or dreams. i just brought up some points. Just asking questions. As far as I can tell, BA didnt' do anything BRB couldn't do with rage and a shot of adrenaline at the loss of his wife either. Especially since no one was trying to kill BA. Meh. We will have to disagree.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Tyrant
Class 15 my ass!
😄
Also, this was the greatest part of the whole thing, in my opinion.

But later on, KK goes to batman to offer his gratitude at fighting such a great martial arts master and batman gets upset. Batman tells kk that the next time, KK wont' win. So what the ****. KK must have beaten batman at some point.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Tyrant
If there was a "lip raise" smiley, I'd put it here...

Not when CM was turned inside out by a terrer act bomb and literally reverted back. BA's face got melted by MV and didn't heal. So I take it Cm's invulnerabilty is better. Just my Opinion tho.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know all of BRB's appearances. And I dont know all of BA's. But what I do know, tells me that they are in the same class in stats and skill and even rage. So the only thing that can really be deciding factors is speed and the hammer. Bill has shown that he can fight faster beings, as stardust is faster than BA, and I have seen BA get his face melted by Martian vision. So, tho he's tuff, his invulnerability, isn't as good as CM's. Can't be. So I'd say Bill gets a slight very slight Nod.

I guess if you don't count all the damage he was taking in WW3, sure.

Black Adam can go toe to toe with speedforcers.
You haven't proven BRB's combat speed is even remotely anywhere close to Adam's, so that's out of the window. Nor has Stardusts been proven in any manner, especially the needed one - that fight. Travel speed is entirely different. Storm battled Stardust too, so it's kind of questionable.

Superman says Black Adam is stronger than Billy.
Adam has jammed a pole through Billy, and I believe broke his arm before, among other things. I've shown him dominating Billy AND a host of others at once. Adam has fought off a powered up Billy [Shazam gave him more power], and at other times, the entire Marvel family.

Last time Superman and Black Adam fought, Adam was unimpressed and didn't want to fight, and still landed more blows, while asking Superman to back off, and even was sighing at him. He ended up turning around and eventually leaving.

And apperently by your estimation, Martian vision > Heat vision. Because heat vision did little against Adam.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I never said BRB was faster. I just said he has the ability to combat someone faster than BA. I dont' have any hopes or dreams. i just brought up some points. Just asking questions. As far as I can tell, BA didnt' do anything BRB couldn't do with rage and a shot of adrenaline at the loss of his wife either. Especially since no one was trying to kill BA. Meh. We will have to disagree.

Once again, you're discluding the fact that Black Adam has been on that level for the better part of a decade now, and several of the instances have been shown.

Tyrant Dead

Originally posted by Juntai
I like the initial escape, punching and kicking a couple, dropping a smoke bomb, and flying away with Brainy's ring. lol.

That's why he's the best.
I kind of wanted to see everyone dropped after he lit off the smoke bomb...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But later on, KK goes to batman to offer his gratitude at fighting such a great martial arts master and batman gets upset. Batman tells kk that the next time, KK wont' win. So what the ****. KK must have beaten batman at some point.

Eh?
Batman just tells him to stop talking.

The KK later talks about how a victor will be decided in the next match.

Plus, KK got the cheapshot off, and got two shots off before Batman could do anything, and he also had the advantage in the air, and he still only stalemated the short fight...

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
MM could have beat BA. but BA used magic lighting on him and a mind reverse trick. niether would work on Brb becuz Bill isn't using mind powers and lighting isn't going to have much effect with that trust hammer around. Wonder Girl is no where in Niether of these guys' league. Donna and PG maybe, But Even still, not up to the lvls of the top tiers. Maybe around Starfire lvl.

It's not just the quality of the bricks, but the amount. And that's not even mentioning the energy and magic wielders that were there, three GLs, Jakeem, Firestorm, etc.

Martian Manhunter coulda beat Adam? Shoulda beat Adam?
Didn't beat Adam. Sorry.

In fact, all of those heros, weren't even able to stop him. It took the magic lightning to stop him, as it almost always does.