Onslaught vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by llagrok
With reality warping, Onslaught can resist and do anything. He can pretty much remove the power cosmic from Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by llagrok
Silver Surfer can't turn off the x-gene in someone who's far more powerful than him. That's why stuff like this doesn't work on high level beings. After all, he could theoretically ruin Thanos' body from the inside, but he never has. Why hasn't he? Because Thanos is too strong.

Whos said that surfer can turn off the Xgene(s) within Onslaught? ur assumpution does not make sence wats so ever.
He did it to Cable easilly, he can do it to Onslaught.
To your Thanos statment, has Surfer tryed to manipulate thanos from the inside? the answer is no, why because it just would be lame.
Also, thanos is pretty special, he has total contol of his molecules..
of he can control his molecules, he certainly has control of his physicology.

Originally posted by llagrok
Destroying Onslaught's armor does nothing.

Look, Onslaught raw power goes far beyond that of Silver Surfer.
He had Richards power, I mean, that tells enough. And he has control over Richards power, but that then became also Onslaught power.
Then add his invulnerability, strength, and then add X-Man, Magneto and Xavier.

This is not even debatable. Due to Onslaught powers, he could fight powerful cosmic beings.

Silver Surfer ain't doing anything here, he is not even comparable to Onslaught.

Originally posted by Priest
really?... because [B]Onsalught never used his Warping powers to the extent that imppresed me..What is making a second sun gonna do to surfer..

Whos said that surfer can turn off the Xgene(s) within Onslaught? ur assumpution does not make sence wats so ever.
He did it to Cable easilly, he can do it to Onslaught.
To your Thanos statment, has Surfer tryed to manipulate thanos from the inside? the answer is no, why because it just would be lame.
Also, thanos is pretty special, he has total contol of his molecules..
of he can control his molecules, he certainly has control of his physicology.

Except makes him more vunerable to a energy manipulator. [/B]

Wow, I never thought it was possible to miss my point so bad.

Cable is inferior to Onslaught by far. That's why that comparison doesn't work. Who says that Silver Surfer would make it past Onslaught's shields. Silver surfer won't be able to manipulate Onslaught for the same reason a moderately strong telekinetic can't manipulate the Hulk.

Do you think that Silver Surfer can rearrange Jamie Braddock's powers and remove his X-gene? 🙄

Originally posted by llagrok
Do you think that Silver Surfer can rearrange Jamie Braddock's powers and remove his X-gene? 🙄

I was thinking about the similar question to ask him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I was thinking about the similar question to ask him.

To me, Onslaught suffers from the same problem as Sentry; he was meant to be a universe shattering character, but never really displayed feats beyond planet-level threat. Sure, there was a lot he was supposed to be able to do, but we've never seen it.

Honestly, Thor written properly should have dealt with this problem. He's faced stronger foes before. By the same token, the current Surfer should be able to take Onslaught. He found a way to take down two Proemial Elders that dwarf Onslaught's power. He could find a way to bring Onslaught down.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Nice avatar, BTW. 🙂

To me, Onslaught suffers from the same problem as Sentry; he was meant to be a universe shattering character, but never really displayed feats beyond planet-level threat. Sure, there was a lot he was supposed to be able to do, but we've never seen it.

Honestly, Thor written properly should have dealt with this problem. He's faced stronger foes before. By the same token, the current Surfer should be able to take Onslaught. He found a way to take down two Proemial Elders that dwarf Onslaught's power. He could find a way to bring Onslaught down.

Just sayin'.

Nah, not on KMC.

They fought near the Crunch. He didn't have any way of injuring them and didn't really pose a threat. Plot item to the max 🙂'

I agree with the other parts though, I personally think that they made Onslaught too strong. There wasn't a feasible way for the heroes to win, so it turned into a really crappy ending. I think that the heroes dying to stop him was a great idea, just not the way it happened.

Surfer takes majority..

Onslaughts powerset got nothing on Surfer, his face off against beings w/ similar abilities. Reality/time/mind manipulation his got defense of those kind of attacks..

Originally posted by Roldz
Surfer takes majority..

Onslaughts powerset got nothing on Surfer, his face off against beings w/ similar abilities. Reality/time/mind manipulation his got defense of those kind of attacks..

What reality manipulators has Silver Surfer beaten? and whose reality manipulation powers has he been immune to?

His Fought off Marduk w/ reality base manipulation powers..

He also fought off Ellies reality manipulation..
Someone who can make and thread to any reality..

She manipulated Earth.. here..

Onslaught is Celestial level reality manipulation with a side helping of Full Potential Nate (said to rival Dark Phoenix). Marduk, is not.

Really if someone believes Surfer takes Onslaught based on X-Gene removal (does a psionic entity even have a X-Gene?) might as well say he takes out people like Jimmy Jaspers, Scarlet Witch and Franklin Richards (well actually this is being said in this thread).

Onslaught, Celestial level reality manipulation? where did you get that from?

Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..

And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

There wasnt enough proof that Onslaught had full access to Franklin and Nate's powers.. Ive debated against this before and am to tired to repeat it again..

Originally posted by Roldz
Onslaught, Celestial level reality manipulation? where did you get that from?

Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..

And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

There wasnt enough proof that Onslaught had full access to Franklin and Nate's powers.. Ive debated against this before and am to tired to repeat it again..

You don't understand simple logic here. Silver Surfer doesn't beat Celestial level characters, because then he would be stronger than Galactus.

Originally posted by llagrok
You don't understand simple logic here. Silver Surfer doesn't beat Celestial level characters, because then he would be stronger than Galactus.

All ive said was Surfer having defenses against Onslaught powersets, which is far from being a Celestial level.

Originally posted by Roldz
I dont remember mentioning Surfer beating any Celestial level beings..

All ive said was Surfer having defenses against Onslaught powersets, which is far from being a Celestial level.

Onslaught doesn't really need to use it on the Surfer in order to win. Onslaught still has more than enough firepower to take down the Surfer.

Originally posted by Roldz
I dont remember mentioning Surfer beating any Celestial level beings..

Originally posted by Roldz
Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..

And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..

Yah! His just going to stand there stare at Surfer scared sh%t less..

Really whats Onslaught going to do? Blast him w/ magnetic or psi energy..

Originally posted by Creshosk
What a PIS poor memory you have:

All that scan shows of him having absorb so much energies..

Originally posted by Roldz
Yah! His just going to stand there stare at Surfer scared sh%t less..

Really whats Onslaught going to do? Blast him w/ magnetic or psi energy..

He could beat him.

Thor beat the Surfer, BRB and Adam Warlock to near death.

That cross-over was questionable, Whats it called again? Thunder somethin... IE. The Inf. Watch w/ there respective soul gem, SS, Dr. Strange, Warlock lost to a bunch of Asgardians Thiefs.. Heck BRB could have finished the Job where it first started, he brought down WMThor w/ out even Surfers assistance, cept they felt sorry for him and aided him to rid of his illness..

Originally posted by Roldz
That cross-over was questionable, Whats it called again? Thunder somethin... IE. The Inf. Watch w/ there respective soul gem, SS, Dr. Strange, Warlock lost to a bunch of Asgardians Thiefs.. Heck BRB could have finished the Job where it first started, he brought down WMThor w/ out even Surfers assistance, cept they felt sorry for him and aided him to rid of his illness..

And Silver Surfer got beat down, even when going all out. Need I post the scans?

Silver Surfer lost against Thor, how on earth does he stand a chance against Onslaught?