Originally posted by llagrok
And Silver Surfer got beat down, even when going all out. Need I post the scans?Silver Surfer lost against Thor, how on earth does he stand a chance against Onslaught?
First off, WMThor lost to BRB.. Down, nearly out halucinating talkin to Valkeria (something like that) SS even mentioned to BRB needing no assistance from him.. Both talk discussing how they might help there friend.. Each one could have taken him out from there cept they want to help him..
In SS Tyrant Saga, Tyrant clearly says that of all he has fought that day SS was the most powerfull; This line up includes Gladiator, Jack of hearts, BRB and etc..
Surfer > BRB who defeated WMThor..
QUESTIONABLE..
Or it may just be that Surfer althought piss was not going all out..
Originally posted by Creshosk
And here I thought you posted the scan to show him winning. If he didn't win there's not much point to posting a fight, now is there?
Here's the BRB VS WMThor i was talkin about..
WMThor lost to BRB right there..
Originally posted by llagrok
Onslaught doesn't really need to use it on the Surfer in order to win. Onslaught still has more than enough firepower to take down the Surfer.
http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer199612021jj2.jpg
Like he did on the scan above..
Originally posted by RoldzThat looks like it was special circumstances. Otherwise, SS could've been pulling that stunt on Thanos, for example.
He can throw as much firepower as he wants Surfer has an option of throwing it back at him, even a lot more potent/stronger..http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer199612021jj2.jpg
Like he did on the scan above..
Plus, this is Onslaught vs Surfer with a defined powerset, and Onslaught's includes a level of invulnerability and strength that, for all intents and purposes, is infinite. Throw in reality-warping, which can undermine any power operating in the "field of reality"...
Surfer is my main man, but I just don't see him winning this (yes, it is a spite thread, but that aside: where is the fun if a fave character wins everything thrown at him 🙂 )?
Originally posted by Roldz
Onslaught, Celestial level reality manipulation? where did you get that from?Pure psionic entity, here's what he does w/ psionic energy..
And thats from an Entity equal or even rivals that of a Celestials..There wasnt enough proof that Onslaught had full access to Franklin and Nate's powers.. Ive debated against this before and am to tired to repeat it again..
It was said multiple times throughout the arc by Reed and the Watcher that Onslaught had full access to Frank and Nate's powers, of course he couldn't use said powers because the heroes have to win in the end.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Onslaught vs Silver Surfer
Originally posted by llagrok
Wow, I never thought it was possible to miss my point so bad.Cable is inferior to Onslaught by far. That's why that comparison doesn't work.
Inferior, maybe...But by far, i think not...during the Jesus cable arc, it seemed liked No one on earth couldn't stop him imo..Cable was Extremely powerful, and displayed some TK and TP feats that that can put Xavier and Jean Grey to shame..
Cable even have Surfer a decent fight in h2h. Cable even broke Surfer's "unbreakable" board..
But when it can down to it, Surfer just manipulated Nate's genes with simple Eye beams, and turned his powers off...He did it pretty easily considering how powerful cable was.
So tell me how much more powerful is Onslaught compared to Jesus cable?
dont get me wrong, Onslaught>Cable;
But its a far fetch saying Onslaught>>>>>Cable. 🙂
Originally posted by llagrok
Who says that Silver Surfer would make it past Onslaught's shields. Silver surfer won't be able to manipulate Onslaught for the same reason a moderately strong telekinetic can't manipulate the Hulk.
Originally posted by llagrok
Do you think that Silver Surfer can rearrange Jamie Braddock's powers and remove his X-gene? 🙄
Originally posted by Roldz
Surfer takes majority..Onslaughts powerset got nothing on Surfer, his face off against beings w/ similar abilities. Reality/time/mind manipulation his got defense of those kind of attacks..
Originally posted by llagrok
What reality manipulators has Silver Surfer beaten? and whose reality manipulation powers has he been immune to?
Originally posted by grey fox
The Onslaught wankery disgusts me. He's a filthy mutie upstart with some minor abilities, to get anywhere he had to leech off of other muties. Comparing him to anyone with PC is an insult.
dur
How powerful was Norrin without the Galactus powerup?
At least Onslaught managed to get some powers himself and doesn't have to blow Galactus every time he wants a powerup.
Originally posted by llagrok
dur
How powerful was Norrin without the Galactus powerup?
At least Onslaught managed to get some powers himself and doesn't have to blow Galactus every time he wants a powerup.
Destroying Onslaught's armour makes him more susceptible to something Surfer is good at, IE energy manipulation.
On the same note, using WM Thor is a terrible example, not to mention ABC logic. We might as well use CU Spiderman against Wolverine. WM Thor =/= Thor. WM Thor >>>>>>>>> Thor.
Onslaught probably wins due to Frankin's powers. Without Franklin's powers, SS would probably win.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Destroying Onslaught's armour makes him more susceptible to something Surfer is good at, IE energy manipulation.
Originally posted by Mindship
That looks like it was special circumstances. Otherwise, SS could've been pulling that stunt on Thanos, for example.
The thing w/ SS is that he always jobs when confronting Thanos thats why in nearly all confrontation he gets one shotted..lol
I guess w/ complete invulnerability and inf. strength SS gets curbstomp, it'd be a spite thread.. How can he lose if his completely invulnerable?
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
It was said multiple times throughout the arc by Reed and the Watcher that Onslaught had full access to Frank and Nate's powers, of course he couldn't use said powers because the heroes have to win in the end.
So id have to say no to Onslaught gaining full access to both of those omega/alpha level powers, the above circumstance prevents him from doing that..
Originally posted by llagrok
Blood and Thunder was kinda missed up story man and a bad example..
2 of the most versatile and powerfull heroes in marvel could'nt take out WMThor yet BRB by himself beat him fair and square.
Wouldnt this make BRB >>>>> Surfer and Warlock..
Heck Asgardian Ogres/Bandits >>>>> Infinitywatch, Strange, Warlock, Surfer thats just missed up.
Originally posted by Mindship
Someone else mentioned this tactic.
Here's the thing: according to the opening post, Onslaught has complete invulnerability.
There should be no armor-cracking in this fight.
I know. I read the OP. However, superlatives in comics are rarely anything more than hyperbole. Everyone and his mother has infinite strength, or infinite something. Even SS is supposed to be able to amp his strength to incalculable upper levels. Infinite, incalculable, same difference, all hyperbole. Would Superman be able to faze Onslaught physically? Would Thanos? Would Aegis or Tenebrous? Galactus?
I also know that someone else mentioned this tactic. I merely wanted to validate said tactic. It won't get SS anywhere near a majority, but that is despite SS' manipulation being a goot tactic against Onslaught, and is largely down to Franklin. Without Fanklin's powers, I wager SS would take a majority.
Originally posted by Ouallada
I know. I read the OP. However, superlatives in comics are rarely anything more than hyperbole.
But the infinite strength and invulnerability in this thread was not taken from comics (even if it was, it wouldn't matter); it was mentioned specifically for this thread.
Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I always thought that you have to work with what is stated in the thread if such specifics are mentioned.
If this had been a simple Onslaught vs Surfer with no defined powersets stated, I would not be so nit-picky.
