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Originally posted by Burning thought
Which he acquires over a period of time, usually the whole game...Ganon seems to learn nothing from his defeats...

He could have captured link hundreds of times, he has castles, armies, soldiers. Apprently he has TK, he can teleport himself, hell if he had any intelligence at all he would at least used his resources to make sure most of the objects Link is trying to find, including the people cannot contact him.

Oh really? How would he go about doing that? In Wind Waker, he was trapped in the undersea Hyrule, he could not physically leave it except to go to his base in Forsaken Fortress, but when he left Hyrule his powers were weakened, after he got his power back he manipulated Link into giving away the location of Zelda, oh, and guess what? After that he DID capture Link, and almost claimed the entire Triforce, if not for the interference of King Hyrule, he would have won, but with Hyrule's interference, he wished for the children to have a future and for Hyrule and Ganondorf to be drowned at the bottom of the sea...Guess what happened? The Triforce itself was against him.

In Twilight Princess he could not even mantain physical form without Zant, but guess what? When he became aware of Link's presence, he sent Zant to incapacitate Link(It is Zant's stupidity that he did not kill him) and Midna, hell, he pretty much killed Midna, who was only revived with the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda. He was not able to deal with Link personally until the end of the game, where he first fought Link while possessing Zelda, then he fought Link and Midna, then he fought and defeated Midna, then he fought Link and Zelda armed with Light Arrows, then he fought Link one-on-one, and STILL only was truly defeated when Zant appeared to kill himself.

Even a younger, more arrogant Ganondorf in OoT played everyone, he started by allying the Gerudo with the king in order to get closer to the Royal Family, and by extension, the Ocarina of Time, and manipulated Link into acquiring all the Spiritual Stones for him, which could only be handed over willingly. He played Link into opening the Doors of Time for him, so he could possess the Triforce, but he only acquired the Triforce of Power because that was the aspect of it he desired most, something he could not have known would happen. He would then allow Link to awaken the Sages, all so Zelda would reveal herself to Link, and when she did he captured her and awaited Link to come battle him, which he lost, due to his arrogance, this was a younger Ganondorf after all.

Ganondorf is one of the few Nintendo villains who is actually competent, having ruled the world for seven years, the fact that he loses is PIS, and you clearly have no idea what the **** you are talking about.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ganondorf is the more humanoid version I think, Ganon is the beast, the fact when he gets angry and uses his power he turns into a near mindless beast also speaks volumes about his tactical/strategic depth and intellect.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
- Dr. Doom fails at various times
- Dr. Doom almost always has all the cards
- Dr. Doom has perception and power advantages
- Dr. Doom occasionally has armies of one sort or the other
- Dr. Doom has virtually infinite resources
- Dr. Doom has failed more than 5 tives.

Bottom line: Dr. Doom is stupid.

Various times? ganon fails almost all the time despite his resources in several games..

All the cards? explain? the marvel universe is so large that there are entities that he woud likely face vastly more intelligent, powerful etc. There are few things in Zelda that can be described equelly to Ganon, certainly not active entities.

although has Dr doom ever won? I think he has....and furthermore, Ganon has more advantages over Link than Doom has say, over mr fantastic who has his own forces on his side (arguably the rest of the world, Dooms a bit of a terrorist), his own incredible intelligence etc

I think your comparison is an extremely vague and poorly thought out one.

Ganon who is supposed to be a superior mind with vast and destructive power ,resources and legions is defeated again and again by a child in some cases wielding weapons he did not start with, but had to gain....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Various times? ganon fails almost all the time despite his resources in several games..

All the cards? explain? the marvel universe is so large that there are entities that he woud likely face vastly more intelligent, powerful etc. There are few things in Zelda that can be described equelly to Ganon, certainly not active entities.

although has Dr doom ever won? I think he has....and furthermore, Ganon has more advantages over Link than Doom has say, over mr fantastic who has his own forces on his side (arguably the rest of the world, Dooms a bit of a terrorist), his own incredible intelligence etc

I think your comparison is an extremely vague and poorly thought out one.

Ganon who is supposed to be a superior mind with vast and destructive power ,resources and legions is defeated again and again by a child in some cases wielding weapons he did not start with, but had to gain....

Cosmic beings, sure. But there are few on Marvel Earth that can rival his intellect, and those that can are usually outstripped by his power and resources, hell, the man has his own country.

Not really. Lol, nah. Mr. Fantastic is equal in intellect, but he is merely a guy who can stretch. Doom is a powerful sorcerer, considered potentially the next Sorcerer Supreme.

Not really, was a good one.

Fact is, no matter how powerful or intelligent the villain is, the hero will almost always win.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So does Doom.

Cosmic beings, sure. But there are few on Marvel Earth that can rival his intellect, and those that can are usually outstripped by his power and resources, hell, the man has his own country.

Not really. Lol, nah. Mr. Fantastic is equal in intellect, but he is merely a guy who can stretch. Doom is a powerful sorcerer, considered potentially the next Sorcerer Supreme.

Not really, was a good one.

Fact is, no matter how powerful or intelligent the villain is, the hero will almost always win.

So? combined Dooms enemies likely far outweigh his power in his showings, doesnt he get on the wrong side of Pre ret beyonder or Galactus at times?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not always, and you do not factor in the fact that Ganondorf does not always know that a Link exists at the start of every game, Link is not a constant like Ganondorf, he appears in different times.

Oh really? How would he go about doing that? In Wind Waker, he was trapped in the undersea Hyrule, he could not physically leave it except to go to his base in Forsaken Fortress, but when he left Hyrule his powers were weakened, after he got his power back he manipulated Link into giving away the location of Zelda, oh, and guess what? After that he DID capture Link, and almost claimed the entire Triforce, if not for the interference of King Hyrule, he would have won, but with Hyrule's interference, he wished for the children to have a future and for Hyrule and Ganondorf to be drowned at the bottom of the sea...Guess what happened? The Triforce itself was against him.

In Twilight Princess he could not even mantain physical form without Zant, but guess what? When he became aware of Link's presence, he sent Zant to incapacitate Link(It is Zant's stupidity that he did not kill him) and Midna, hell, he pretty much killed Midna, who was only revived with the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda. He was not able to deal with Link personally until the end of the game, where he first fought Link while possessing Zelda, then he fought Link and Midna, then he fought and defeated Midna, then he fought Link and Zelda armed with Light Arrows, then he fought Link one-on-one, and STILL only was truly defeated when Zant appeared to kill himself.

Even a younger, more arrogant Ganondorf in OoT played everyone, he started by allying the Gerudo with the king in order to get closer to the Royal Family, and by extension, the Ocarina of Time, and manipulated Link into acquiring all the Spiritual Stones for him, which could only be handed over willingly. He played Link into opening the Doors of Time for him, so he could possess the Triforce, but he only acquired the Triforce of Power because that was the aspect of it he desired most, something he could not have known would happen. He would then allow Link to awaken the Sages, all so Zelda would reveal herself to Link, and when she did he captured her and awaited Link to come battle him, which he lost, due to his arrogance, this was a younger Ganondorf after all.

Ganondorf is one of the few Nintendo villains who is actually competent, having ruled the world for seven years, the fact that he loses is PIS, and you clearly have no idea what the **** you are talking about.

He should do, half the time he has forces and resources at his disposal, like Zant in TP, he had the whole kingdom under zants rule and yet the kid even while weakened after a confronation as a wolf ran free to find more goodies.

So he captured link, Zelda and was near victory (more advantages) and failed at the end...again...lol

And its a poor shepherd who cannot control his own flock, if Zant did not kill Link its Ganons fault for not being clear. So another stupid thing to add to the list.

You just outlined my point, his arrogance>intelligence, hes not been able to redeem himself against Link since then...

Competant at what? he takes advantages of idiots only for the idiots to defeat him, its like after apprently playing them for any amount of time the guy would realise when he could stop and actually destroy them, hell them being under his control for a period makes him seem even less competant.

When I said Ganondorf was stupid I was taking into account his shortcomings in useing his resources but now youve opened my eyes to his inadequacy at useing other people and the fact everyone else seems even less intelligent and more so pawns.

So young and under age pawns defeat Ganondrof...again...and again...etc etc

Originally posted by Burning thought
So? combined Dooms enemies likely far outweigh his power in his showings, doesnt he get on the wrong side of Pre ret beyonder or Galactus at times?

Dr. Doom stole Beyonder's powers in one of the cartoons 😛 I think it was the F4 cartoon 😕

"shrug" read this:

http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Doom_(Victor_von_Doom)

Its filled with incredible victories for doom against Beyonder, armies of soldiers, the fact he has his own country against so many foes is an obvious strength for him as well.

Originally posted by Burning thought
"shrug" read this:

http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Doom_(Victor_von_Doom)

Its filled with incredible victories for doom against Beyonder, armies of soldiers, the fact he has his own country against so many foes is an obvious strength for him as well.

Yet he always fails in the end. You haven't read any of the comics? He never remains victorious. He even failed with the board of the Silver Surfer.

Remains victorious? he still has his own country and not remaining victorious is besides the point. He gains vast victories over his opponents, unlike Ganon who wins a couple of times and then gets completly defeated, somehow returning all the time usually through the stupidity of others or the helplessness, like Zant.

BT, why are you trying to argue about the Zelda games when you admit that you know next to nothing about them?

I mean, you don't even seem to realize that there are multiple incarnations of Link and Zelda, judging by what you've posted here.

oh I know theres various incarnations of Link, not sure about Zelda, how is this important? since Ganon is the one who is constant, sort of another advantage he has isnt it really. he has immortality and knowledge from all these defeats, the people he fights again and again defeat him despite being fresh at least in comparison to him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So? combined Dooms enemies likely far outweigh his power in his showings, doesnt he get on the wrong side of Pre ret beyonder or Galactus at times?

He should do, half the time he has forces and resources at his disposal, like Zant in TP, he had the whole kingdom under zants rule and yet the kid even while weakened after a confronation as a wolf ran free to find more goodies.

So he captured link, Zelda and was near victory (more advantages) and failed at the end...again...lol

And its a poor shepherd who cannot control his own flock, if Zant did not kill Link its Ganons fault for not being clear. So another stupid thing to add to the list.

You just outlined my point, his arrogance>intelligence, hes not been able to redeem himself against Link since then...

Competant at what? he takes advantages of idiots only for the idiots to defeat him, its like after apprently playing them for any amount of time the guy would realise when he could stop and actually destroy them, hell them being under his control for a period makes him seem even less competant.

When I said Ganondorf was stupid I was taking into account his shortcomings in useing his resources but now youve opened my eyes to his inadequacy at useing other people and the fact everyone else seems even less intelligent and more so pawns.

So young and under age pawns defeat Ganondrof...again...and again...etc etc

Zant's incompetence, not Ganon's. Zant is a known irrational, spontaneous lunatic, and also, it was not until later in the game that Ganondorf was even aware of Link's existance.

Right, because it was clearly his own failing that Hyrule managed to come from nowhere and take the Triforce, and then the power of the Goddesses themselves destined him to lose. Do you even think when you type, or do you just push whatever button looks prettiest at the time?

Zant was unreliable, but he was also the only one with the mentality to accept Ganondorf's power at the time, he had no other choice but to rely on Zant, and can you prove it was due to poor wording on Ganon's part that Zant ****ed up? No, you cannot, it is another plot device for Link to overcome Ganon.

Query: Can you read? This was a younger, more arrogant Ganondorf, he has not done the same ever since.

Right, Link, the kid who braves through dungeons of monsters and uses both sword and wit to survive, is an idiot. Stop posting. Destroy them? What part of "he needs them for his plan" or "he cannot physically approach and destroy them" do you not understand? And he does send his powerful monsters to kill Link, be it guarding a dungeon or whatever.

Seems less intelligent? Because they are used by one of the most competent villains Nintendo has? Are you trying to come off as ignorant, or is it just a coincidence? His inadequacy? Because he has not shown to be adequate at using people, right? Oh wait, he HAS! 😱 Seriously, shut up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Young pawns who are protected by the Gods, have plot device weaponry, and receive outside help.

BT, why are you trying to argue about the Zelda games when you admit that you know next to nothing about them?

Originally posted by Burning thought
oh I know theres various incarnations of Link, not sure about Zelda, how is this important? since Ganon is the one who is constant, sort of another advantage he has isnt it really. he has immortality and knowledge from all these defeats, the people he fights again and again defeat him despite being fresh at least in comparison to him.

It's a very important fact.

He isn't aware that there's a Link, someone destined by the three goddesses to defeat him, running about Hyrule until it's generally too late.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because Doom in every storyline is fighting every enemy he has ever made, right? You're ignorance is hilarious.

Zant's incompetence, not Ganon's. Zant is a known irrational, spontaneous lunatic, and also, it was not until later in the game that Ganondorf was even aware of Link's existance.

Right, because it was clearly his own failing that Hyrule managed to come from nowhere and take the Triforce, and then the power of the Goddesses themselves destined him to lose. Do you even think when you type, or do you just push whatever button looks prettiest at the time?

Zant was unreliable, but he was also the only one with the mentality to accept Ganondorf's power at the time, he had no other choice but to rely on Zant, and can you prove it was due to poor wording on Ganon's part that Zant ****ed up? No, you cannot, it is another plot device for Link to overcome Ganon.

Query: Can you read? This was a younger, more arrogant Ganondorf, he has not done the same ever since.

Right, Link, the kid who braves through dungeons of monsters and uses both sword and wit to survive, is an idiot. Stop posting. Destroy them? What part of "he needs them for his plan" or "he cannot physically approach and destroy them" do you not understand? And he does send his powerful monsters to kill Link, be it guarding a dungeon or whatever.

Seems less intelligent? Because they are used by one of the most competent villains Nintendo has? Are you trying to come off as ignorant, or is it just a coincidence? His inadequacy? Because he has not shown to be adequate at using people, right? Oh wait, he HAS! 😱 Seriously, shut up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Young pawns who are protected by the Gods, have plot device weaponry, and receive outside help.

Ive never said that at all, infact in a lot of the stories stated in my link he is against a vast number of enemies and overcomes those who are more powerful than him, hell outsmarts them. His opponetns are hardly as lowly in comparison to him as Link is to Ganon nor does he get as many chances.

Ganons, his sheep to control as Zant belives him his God, if Ganon was too foolish to realise or use Zant and the rest of the worlds resources to find a wolf running about then its his foolishness.

I highly doubt he came from "nowhere" ime sure he came from somewhere 🙂 No i make an intelligent argument based on facts that you cannot comprehend, get confused and angry over only for you to state something foolish like the King suddenly coming out of nowhere. Ganon has all these advantages yet he cannot use them against people weaker than he is despite half of them being lowly or unintelligent.

Zant has the ability to conquer hyrule, I think hes more than capable of killing Link if told, hes been shown to....hell he even fights Link at some point as well.

Sends his most powerful monsters? whats stopping him from sending all his monsters, every single one to Links location, or at least the location of at least some of the artifacts Link has to go running around the place for? nothing....

lol protected by the gods, wordplay m8 wordplay...plot device weaponry? yeah after his spends the game finding it....what kind of idiot allows the same weapon to be used against him so many times...again and again, you would have thought with such an experiance of these people he would try to get a hold of some of these objects himself, hell even if its the key Link requires to access an area.

Originally posted by Peach
It's a very important fact.

He isn't aware that there's a Link, someone destined by the three goddesses to defeat him, running about Hyrule until it's generally too late.

Oh please, dont the links get born and bred in particulour places? the argument for it being a diffrent link all the time is that its a traditional occurance between his kind of people. Who happen to be a unique race. Hell you would have thought with all his vast powers that he gains from time to time he could find these people out...but no, hes happy sitting about, sending one or two entities here and there.

And the guy has seen a similiar guy several times, you cant give him that "he didnt know" nonsense. He obviously does not know a lot despite his immortality and apprent intellect/competance hes supposed ot have.

[QUOTE=12215231]Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]Not always, and you do not factor in the fact that Ganondorf does not always know that a Link exists at the start of every game, Link is not a constant like Ganondorf, he appears in different times.

Oh really? How would he go about doing that? In Wind Waker, he was trapped in the undersea Hyrule, he could not physically leave it except to go to his base in Forsaken Fortress, but when he left Hyrule his powers were weakened, after he got his power back he manipulated Link into giving away the location of Zelda, oh, and guess what? After that he DID capture Link, and almost claimed the entire Triforce, if not for the interference of King Hyrule, he would have won, but with Hyrule's interference, he wished for the children to have a future and for Hyrule and Ganondorf to be drowned at the bottom of the sea...Guess what happened? The Triforce itself was against him.

In Twilight Princess he could not even mantain physical form without Zant, but guess what? When he became aware of Link's presence, he sent Zant to incapacitate Link(It is Zant's stupidity that he did not kill him) and Midna, hell, he pretty much killed Midna, who was only revived with the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda. He was not able to deal with Link personally until the end of the game, where he first fought Link while possessing Zelda, then he fought Link and Midna, then he fought and defeated Midna, then he fought Link and Zelda armed with Light Arrows, then he fought Link one-on-one, and STILL only was truly defeated when Zant appeared to kill himself.

Even a younger, more arrogant Ganondorf in OoT played everyone, he started by allying the Gerudo with the king in order to get closer to the Royal Family, and by extension, the Ocarina of Time, and manipulated Link into acquiring all the Spiritual Stones for him, which could only be handed over willingly. He played Link into opening the Doors of Time for him, so he could possess the Triforce, but he only acquired the Triforce of Power because that was the aspect of it he desired most, something he

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh please, dont the links get born and bred in particulour places? the argument for it being a diffrent link all the time is that its a traditional occurance between his kind of people. Who happen to be a unique race. Hell you would have thought with all his vast powers that he gains from time to time he could find these people out...but no, hes happy sitting about, sending one or two entities here and there.

And the guy has seen a similiar guy several times, you cant give him that "he didnt know" nonsense. He obviously does not know a lot despite his immortality and apprent intellect/competance hes supposed ot have.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

Lol.. I take BT off ignore for a second, and he's written a bunch of freaking novels on something he knows absolute nothing about.. Back on ignore he goes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh please, dont the links get born and bred in particulour places? the argument for it being a diffrent link all the time is that its a traditional occurance between his kind of people. Who happen to be a unique race. Hell you would have thought with all his vast powers that he gains from time to time he could find these people out...but no, hes happy sitting about, sending one or two entities here and there.

And the guy has seen a similiar guy several times, you cant give him that "he didnt know" nonsense. He obviously does not know a lot despite his immortality and apprent intellect/competance hes supposed ot have.

There have been multiple Links. I'm sure there's one born every generation. Link is not from a unique 'race', btw, he's just a Hylian (though in Ocarina of Time he was raised with the Kokiri).

Thing is, Ganondorf may be powerful and intelligent, but he is not omniscient. He's not going to know about every single kid born ever in Hyrule. Why would he? He is, just as you even said, arrogant. Arrogant enough to believe that this time he will be safe. He can't keep things like the gems or keys or Master Sword from falling into Link's hands because he likely does not know where they are or cannot actually get them himself.

And, since you don't seem to get this - he can't kill Link. Doing so would work against him. He needs Link for that part of the Triforce. Just like how he needs to keep Zelda alive.