all the things that you say you can prove but then go on to say that youre just "too lazy" to respond to i have to assume youre just making up because you have a bias toward link. feel free to prove me wrong.No, too lazy to address every single point you make, especially when so many don't need to be replied to.
somehow i doubt it.Means: No u.
and... this is all the same usual stuff. im not going to debate in circles, sorry. everyone reading this can tell that youre backpedaling. so as long as everyone else sees that its fine. you can stay deluded if you want.Actually, here's the funny bit.
You sit there and call me delluded while plugging your ears and demand I seek out proof for a debate that not only doesn't matter, but that is in the off-topic thread. On top of all of this, none of my points have been questionable, or based in theory, they're simply in the games. If you wish, you can go play them. You don't have to believe me, but to call me delluded because you simply aren't willing to trust my word based on the fact that you disagree with my preference for a character is petty, and also lawl-worthy. pardon me if I take offense to it, but I'm hardly delluded.
not really its not funny so much as sad. for someone who supposedly debates in the realm of logic and reasoning, at least according to your wiki, you use the same level of intelligence and logical deduction and roudnabout debating tactics as BT does no offense.I didn't write that, but it's true enough. I don't use the debating tactis BT does. BT plugs his ears and goes "nananananma" until you stop trying to beat reason into him.
My laziness before, that wasn't a cop-out, I simply didn't care. But now you're actively insulting me, and that, Ms.Marvel, is a cop-out. If you can't keep the debate within the realm of the debate itself, you're copping out, not I.
You want me to extrapolat on my points?
In LA, and TP, Link stealz stuffz.
He fights dirty in every game, exploiting the weaknesses of his enemies, blinding them with deku nuts, ect.
He cheats at minigames, examples include OoT, using the lens of truth in the treasure chest game.
ect..
if i say "you make an awful lot of declarative statements and dont support any of them" and then you say "no you make a lot of declarative statements!" that is factually a "no u" argument.
and that doesnt stand by itself. at all. he accuses me of making arguments like that and cant even be bothered to actually quote what im saying. ever.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, too lazy to address every single point you make, especially when so many don't need to be replied to.
Means: No u.
Actually, here's the funny bit.
I'm did exactly what you did to make a point. You call "no proof!", I start asking for proof of your points, which you declare somehow refute my own. 😬 Despite often being totally unrelated or based in simple opinion. ...And having no proof!You sit there and call me delluded while plugging your ears and demand I seek out proof for a debate that not only doesn't matter, but that is in the off-topic thread. On top of all of this, none of my points have been questionable, or based in theory, they're simply in the games. If you wish, you can go play them. You don't have to believe me, but to call me delluded because you simply aren't willing to trust my word based on the fact that you disagree with my preference for a character is petty, and also lawl-worthy. pardon me if I take offense to it, but I'm hardly delluded.
I didn't write that, but it's true enough. I don't use the debating tactis BT does. BT plugs his ears and goes "nananananma" until you stop trying to beat reason into him.My laziness before, that wasn't a cop-out, I simply didn't care. But now you're actively insulting me, and that, Ms.Marvel, is a cop-out. If you can't keep the debate within the realm of the debate itself, you're copping out, not I.
You want me to extrapolat on my points?
In LA, and TP, Link stealz stuffz.
He fights dirty in every game, exploiting the weaknesses of his enemies, blinding them with deku nuts, ect.
He cheats at minigames, examples include OoT, using the lens of truth in the treasure chest game.ect..
whatever dude. "i accept your concession" as so many people like to say. if youre serious feel free to go back and respond to all the counters i made that you didnt directly address before. the three statements you made at the end of your post ve already addressed. you never reponded to those addresses.
OR. Alternatiely. just post more google images... thats pretty much the pinnacle of your posts ayway. 😂
if i say "you make an awful lot of declarative statements and dont support any of them" and then you say "no you make a lot of declarative statements!" that is factually a "no u" argument.and that doesnt stand by itself. at all. he accuses me of making arguments like that and cant even be bothered to actually quote what im saying. ever.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste1. Ridiculously large nose? Not really. 😐 The outfit does not make him any less attractive, quite frankly I like it. Link is good looking, that is not even really arguable IMO. 😬
o_o ..He has a ridiculously large nose, and wears an outfit.Part of being the protagonist. Also, he has the triforce of courage, and part of his characterisation is indeed based around this.
Part of being the hero chosen by the gods. Besides, anyone put in his shoes will do one of three things.
1. Shit their pants.
2. Die.
3. Do what the ****in' gods say.A fairly uncommon trait when you look at other protagonists, and also one that serves to counteract what you're trying to portray as a one dimensional character. Link fights dirty. 😐
Yeah, I got nothing for this one, but this alone does not a Gary Stu make.
Name a protagonist who's not physicly fit, and not comic relief. As a character who's main means of winning is beating shit with a sword, yeah, he's gonna be in good shape, or he's gonna lose.
1. Dress sense.
2. Breaks the rules to do what needs to be done. If he had an alignment, it'd be Chaotic good. He steals, fights dirty, and has no respect for personal property or privacy.
3. Modesty to the point of absurdity. Never claims credit for anything.
4. Socially awkward, as seen in OoT/MM.
5. Easily manipulated thanks to his innate willingness to be helpful. Ganon uses this a lot.
2. True, it is common, but it shows his lack of character flaws.
3. Lul wut? Yeah, most people would shit their pants sir, or die, Link faces every challenge with t3h ballz of steel, paving the way for him becoming a Gary Stu.
4. ...Fights dirty? You mean he comes up with strategies to defeat these physically superior foes using his brain? Yeah, "fighting dirty" loses all meaning when your opponent is a thirty foot tall golem of fire.
5. It sure as **** helps.
6. Frodo Baggins. 131
7. 1. Hardly a character flaw. Stop grasping at straws.
2. It's not fighting dirty. You do realise that doing things like breaking the law when he needs to for goodliness actually are in fact MORE common in Gary Stus, right?
3. ...Dude he never talks. 😐 How the **** could you know that? Also, arguably makes him more of one, HE'S SO PURE AND GOOD!!!
4. ...Kay? So is Bella from Twilight. 'Nuff said.
5. Arguably makes him more of one, emphasises how good he is, and Link ALWAYS wins in the end against a vastly superior foe.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYet we know he met up with her before. Not that this is a character trait.
Actually, at the end of OoT Zelda basicly says to him nicely "We can't hangout anymore, buhbye.", and sends him back in time. And he leaves the alternate Zelda behind in the second timeline to look for the only friend he had left in that scenario because she undid everyhting he had done.At the end of TP Midna, the obvious love interest is like "lolbyeforever,sir."
At the end of WW, Hyrule itself is destroyed.
At the end of LA, it's all a ****in' dream, and he's still floating around in the ocean and his ship is wrecked.
Not a character trait.
Which was probably a good thing...And barely affects Link, except the King died.
Lolz. Not a character trait.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste1. Granted.
Master Chief? I think so.
Snake? Yep.
Kratos, a much better candidate for Gary Stu-ings. He fights gods.
Dante, 'nuff said.
Every FF character ever.
2. Snake? Um, why? The guy is perty badass, sure, but what makes him a perfect character, he definately has flaws. And he's homosexual, which is not a flaw, but kinda funny.
3. The only arguable form of Stu Kratos could be is of the badass and manly variety, yet Kratos also is tormented in his dreams with thoughts of his family and has attempted suicide, two non-manly qualities...
4. Yeah, prolly.
5. ...What? Dude, you don't even play the games, don't make that statement. 😬
1. Ridiculously large nose? Not really. The outfit does not make him any less attractive, quite frankly I like it. Link is good looking, that is not even really arguable IMO.Not gonna lie, I like the outfit, but it is a bit ridiculous. But yeah, TP sorta retconned the nose, but until then, it was a shnozz of epic proportion.
2. True, it is common, but it shows his lack of character flaws.He has flaws.
3. Lul wut? Yeah, most people would shit their pants sir, or die, Link faces every challenge with t3h ballz of steel, paving the way for him becoming a Gary Stu.The game would suck otherwise. So he takes option 3.
4. ...Fights dirty? You mean he comes up with strategies to defeat these physically superior foes using his brain? Yeah, "fighting dirty" loses all meaning when your opponent is a thirty foot tall golem of fire.Size isn't everything, sir. But what of blinding the smaller enemies?
5. It sure as **** helps.But it's all you have so far 😛
Edit: poasted too soon, edittign in moar.
2. It's not fighting dirty. You do realise that doing things like breaking the law when he needs to for goodliness actually are in fact MORE common in Gary Stus, right?You say flawless, I highlight a flaw, and you claim it's more reason he's a Gary-stu. Pick one and stick with it.
6. Frodo Baggins.
...Dude he never talks. How the **** could you know that? Also, arguably makes him more of one, HE'S SO PURE AND GOOD!!!In several games you can talk to people and they'll tell you "someone" did something incredible, and no one ever seems to realise it was Link, thus, he claimed no credit. 😐
4. ...Kay? So is Bella from Twilight. 'Nuff said.It's a flaw. and you can take almost any two characters and they'll have atleast one thing in common, /shrug. Bella's also whiney, stupid, and dating a sparkly vampire.
5. Arguably makes him more of one, emphasises how good he is, and Link ALWAYS wins in the end against a vastly superior foe.It's a flaw, and not one common in Gary Stu's, at ALL.
Most Gary Stu's are hard to manipulate because they have to maintain their 'cool' factor. The fact he wins as the protagonist doesn't make him any more of a Gary Stu than any-one else. When he starts beating down Din herself, then you can call Gary Stu.. ****ing Rulk.