Oh for heaven's sake- use your brain. You have quoted one wiki piece of text and you've not even tried to find the source.
It's all utter nonsense and you thinking you have a claim to some sort of truth makes an idiot of you.
http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6804&start=0&sid=8b8c9e0cd5e45b8e3fdbaff2bcd53b60
http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.asp
Do some proper work in future and try to actually know what you are talking about before you wade into something. Your statement:
"GFrench peopel cut of English LOGNBOMENE's fingers so they xcoulcn't PLUCK yew... "
Is TOTALLY untrue, so saying in the same breath that someone should learn history shows you up as a hypocrite.
I don't believe you were dumb enough to argue this from a completely imaginary basis.
Post source, Scream.
The "f" fricative and "pl" plosive sounds are not at all alike in being produced, which aims doubt at the amusing "change" which is the point of the whole myth. Regardless on if the change even could occur, Medieval English were just as capable of making either sound.
Then there's the rather lucrative hostage ransom trade Ush mentioned, which would be an infinitely better use for living longbowmen than to simply make them useless and... I dunno, have them around?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh for heaven's sake- use your brain. You have quoted one wiki piece of text and you've not even tried to find the source.It's all utter nonsense and you thinking you have a claim to some sort of truth makes an idiot of you.
http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6804&start=0&sid=8b8c9e0cd5e45b8e3fdbaff2bcd53b60
http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.asp
Do some proper work in future and try to actually know what you are talking about before you wade into something. Your statement:
"GFrench peopel cut of English LOGNBOMENE's fingers so they xcoulcn't PLUCK yew... "
Is TOTALLY untrue, so saying in the same breath that someone should learn history shows you up as a hypocrite.
I don't believe you were dumb enough to argue this from a completely imaginary basis.
Where in the last few posts have I mentioned "pluck yew"? Only the severance of fingers, and whether or not it was practiced, and on who it would be practiced. NemeSis claimed the french waved their fingers, which, would have been wrong, because they weren't the ones who would lose their fingers.
Also, nice. You linked me to snopes, and a forum. Niether of which coutner the fact Henry V claimed that the French practiced this.
Edit: Nice, now you've editted in a quote from drunk me.
wikipedia > me when I'm drunk.
I linked you to a forum which has a direct quote from an authority on the subject, and a comprehensive demolition of the idea on snopes.
Meanwhile, this is not anywhere in the historical record at ANY point, and no other historian has made such a claim about any speech Henry V made, even assuming you can find this quote in the original book, which you have not.
By any reasonable or coherent analysis, it is gibberish- and again, if you had put any brainpower into looking at those links, you would have noticed.
Some people, geez... are you proud of being the standard bearer of ignorance? You may be sober now but you are still making a fool of yourself. You are not unlike a flat earther, insistent and ignorant in the face of all reason and sense.
To repeat- this practice did NOT happen.
Originally posted by General Kalieroam not claiming it as origin. 😐 Am Correcting NemeSis on the context of the events.
Also forgot to mention that the related hand gesture has existed with similar meaning since the time of the Romans.Basically, there's absolutely no credibility to the story at all.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I linked you to a forum which has a direct quote from an authority on the subject, and a comprehensive demolition of the idea on snopes.Meanwhile, this is not anywhere in the historical record at ANY point, and no other historian has made such a claim about any speech Henry V made, even assuming you can find this quote in the original book, which you have not.
By any reasonable or coherent analysis, it is gibberish- and again, if you had put any brainpower into looking at those links, you would have noticed.
Some people, geez... are you proud of being the standard bearer of ignorance? You may be sober now but you are still making a fool of yourself. You are not unlike a flat earther, insistent and ignorant in the face of all reason and sense.
To repeat- this practice did NOT happen.
To repeat, Henry V did claim it did, and as I already said, whether as propaganda or not, it's still far more accurate to say the English in the context of the war would be the ones waving their fingers and saying "pluck yew", not the French. 😐 Especially since English was not a wide-spread language back then.
Some people, geez... are you proud of being the standard bearer of ignorance? You may be sober now but you are still making a fool of yourself. You are not unlike a flat earther, insistent and ignorant in the face of all reason and sense.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Some people, geez... are you proud of being the standard bearer of ignorance? You may be sober now but you are still making a fool of yourself. You are not unlike a flat earther, insistent and ignorant in the face of all reason and sense.
You come up with some of the best put-downs ever, I must say.
Edit: Silence, Scream.
...that sounds amusing.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
am not claiming it as origin. 😐 Am Correcting NemeSis on the context of the events.
Yeah, you still misunderstand me. mariofacepalmTo repeat, Henry V did claim it did, and as I already said, [b]whether as propaganda or not
, it's still far more accurate to say the English in the context of the war would be the ones waving their fingers and saying "pluck yew", not the French. 😐 Especially since English was not a wide-spread language back then.Reported for flaming. 131 [/B]
Again- no, Henry V did NOT say any such thing, and aside from your utter foolishness you actually don't have any reason to think that he did either. This is such a depressing indictment of the way people behave- you are arguing a totally indefensible position on no evidence, not because of ANY relation to the truth but simply because you do not want to be wrong.
Not that whether Henry V made this alleged reference or not has any relation on your original statement being so completely wrong, of course.
So sad.
Originally posted by UshgarakMan, I really pissed in your cheerios, boyo. You're intentionally strawmanning now, attacking an argument I never made. I never argued;
Again- no, Henry V did NOT say any such thing, and aside from your utter foolishness you actually don't have any reason to think that he did either. This is such a depressing indictment of the way people behave- you are arguing a totally indefensible position on no evidence, not because of ANY relation to the truth but simply because you do not want to be wrong.Not that whether Henry V made this alleged reference or not has any relation on your original statement being so completely wrong, of course.
So sad.
-It was the factual origin.
-Any of it actually happened.
I am /correcting/ NemeSis on the context of events sorrounding the myth.
Also, I'm gonna report you again if you keep talking the way you are. 🙂
but yeah, I browsed the first few posts on the forum, and I've seen the snopes article before, where did you disprove the reference to finger-severing by Henry V?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again- no, Henry V did NOT say any such thing, and aside from your utter foolishness you actually don't have any reason to think that he did either. This is such a depressing indictment of the way people behave- you are arguing a totally indefensible position on no evidence, not because of ANY relation to the truth but simply because you do not want to be wrong.Not that whether Henry V made this alleged reference or not has any relation on your original statement being so completely wrong, of course.
So sad.
RESPOND TO MY ALLEGATIONS.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Man, I really pissed in your cheerios, boyo. You're intentionally strawmanning now, attacking an argument I never made. I never argued;-It was the factual origin.
happened.
-Any of it [b]actuallyI am /correcting/ NemeSis on the context of events sorrounding the myth.
Also, I'm gonna report you again if you keep talking the way you are. 🙂
but yeah, I browsed the first few posts on the forum, and I've seen the snopes article before, where did you disprove the reference to finger-severing by Henry V? [/B]
Furthermore, where did you prove any reference to finger-severing by Henry V?
First of all establish it. You've not established anything. This is basic history- get some sources and make a comparison. All you have is a third hand report (not even second hand because you don't even have the source, you are just parroting a line from WIKIPEDIA of all places).
Then compare this to the fact that no-one else mentions any such thing being said- including all the quite copious ENGLISH sources from the battle- and the fact that no such practice was ever reported, anywhere, happening in any sort of significant manner and we soon see any attempt to defend your idea as serious fact is pathetic.
Meanwhile, you are lying. you were not just putting nemesis right- he was indeed confused of course- as you very plainly and obviously used the 'pluck yew' line and stated that French did that to longbowmen. Which I then sensibly refuted in the interest of general knowledge as opposed to general ignorance and error.
And don't abuse the report system like that, just because I've shown you up.