Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Started by NemeBro3,949 pages

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
For purposes of maturity, he hit the nail on the head.
How-so?

People like to bring up the gore and the sex (The sex especially, I honestly cannot get why one of the most minor details of the game is talked about so much...) is brought up as if they are the game's defining features, when even plot-wise they are not.

I would not call the plotline of God of War to be exceptionally innovative and grand, it is an effective revenge plot, nothing more, but Kratos in particular has been simplified by most people as being some testosterone fueled teen fantasy with an overactive libido.

Kratos' character is in fact much more pathetic than that, he has for years remained guilty for the murder of his family, and has converted that guilt into a wrath, lashing out in anger at any who have wronged him, making him self-centered and destructive. While these are obviously very immature traits, the games do not portray them in a positive light. When (GoW 3 spoilers, do not read if you care)

Spoiler:
the world is shown to be suffering from Kratos' selfish quest from revenge as a side-effect of systematically murdering the gods (Making the world overrun by disease, flood, plants are dying, and even the souls in the Underworld are tormented for instance) it is brought up explicitly how selfish and destructive Kratos' acts are, and as could be expected he doesn't care. He even brutally killed Hephaestus, who was only trying to protect his daughter, IMO his most directly ruthless and amoral act. His only real redeeming moments before the end of the game are when he has contemplated and tried to commit suicide, and even suicide is by nature a cowardly act, unable to try to truly atone for what he has done, he instead wants to end his own life, so that he can escape reality and no longer have to suffer, ignoring what he has already done to others. Indeed, outwardly Kratos may seem to be this macho, badass manly-man, in reality he is a pathetic, immature coward who is unable to cope with what he has done, and as such makes everyone else as miserable as he is, although unintentionally, it was obvious he did not care. It is not until the end of the third game that Kratos has a real humanizing moment, seeing that seemingly nothing was inside Pandora's Box, and that Pandora essentially died in vain, he was struck with some remourse over her death. Athena revealed however that she planned this from the beginning, placing the Powah of Hope inside Pandora's Box, which she would use to rebuild the world with her as the sovereign deity. The Power of Hope took residence within Kratos when he first opened Pandora's Box in the first game, and was only released when he was finally able to move on from the deed of killing his wife and daughter. Athena once again demanded the power of Hope be returned to her, but Kratos refused, and in his first act of selflessness ever in his life, he impaled himself with the Blade of Olympus, to release Hope to the mortal world, for humanity to wield.

So while Kratos is not the deepest character ever, nor is GoW the most intricate or innovative plot ever conceived, it is much more than the libido-driven gorefest you all seem to have made it out to be.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less if they hate me I won't shove it in their face but what are they going to do. Nothing. I am entitled to my own opinion and am comfortable here I could care less what anyone else thinks of me. I would think that much is apparent.

I wouldn't live anywhere else but yes this country has a lot of problems and I have never denied that.

Uhm, would you let a 7 ytear old play gow3 or oot/ Which game would you want to steer most 7 year olds away from for fear of them seeing something too graphic?

I'm just gonna leave this point alone.... it could go on for a long time. I'll just let u live happily in your ignorance, just how u like it.

too many to count

Uhm, I've let younger kids in my family play it. Mainly because I could really care less what their parents and the ERSB find appropriate for kids, and care more about that it's a game that they enjoy, and it keeps them occupied so they wont annoy me.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate and adaptive manner. This response is generally learned rather than instinctive, and is not determined by one's age. Maturity also encompasses being aware of the correct time and place to behave and knowing when to act appropriately, according to the situation. πŸ™„

and from this definition, I've been "mature" enough to handle blood/sex/& gore WAY before I was 7, and they were the ones I enjoyed because my older cousins made them available to me. Remember GTA? I may have been too young for parents to want me to play them, but it didn't stop me from doing it. I was a child with a very dark sense of humor, and these types of "immature" games were fun for me. Shooting cops, civilians, having sex with hookers, and killing them to get a refund, causing havoc where ever I went, blowing shit up for lulz... I did it all, and understood what I was doing. It amused me. 😈

They're a lot more kids who find these "immature" games more fun than actual kids games, it's not just me. Actually, because of me, a lot of my younger cousins and other family members are a part of this group.

Again, ESRB ratings aren't worth shit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have more schools in general so of course we are going to have a fair share of bad schools but in terms of places of higher learning what universities compare to harvard, yale, princeton?
Here is the thing.

The really good, Ivy-League American schools, are really good.

Most schools, when compared to the rest of the world, SUCK ASS in America.

The best schools are not the average, the average American school is a pile of shit in comparison.

You know what else doesn't mean shit in regards to how mature a storyline is?

Sophistication and depth.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Here is the thing.

The really good, Ivy-League American schools, are really good.

Most schools, when compared to the rest of the world, SUCK ASS in America.

The best schools are not the average, the average American school is a pile of shit in comparison.

This is true. It's mostly our private schools that are kickass. Yay capitalism.

Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
I'm just gonna leave this point alone.... it could go on for a long time. I'll just let u live happily in your ignorance, just how u like it.

too many to count

Uhm, I've let younger kids in my family play it. Mainly because I could really care less what their parents and the ERSB find appropriate for kids, and care more about that it's a game that they enjoy, and it keeps them occupied so they wont annoy me.

and from this definition, I've been "mature" enough to handle blood/sex/& gore WAY before I was 7, and they were the ones I enjoyed because my older cousins made them available to me. Remember GTA? I may have been too young for parents to want me to play them, but it didn't stop me from doing it. I was a child with a very dark sense of humor, and these types of "immature" games were fun for me. Shooting cops, civilians, having sex with hookers, and killing them to get a refund, causing havoc where ever I went, blowing shit up for lulz... I did it all, and understood what I was doing. It amused me. 😈

They're a lot more kids who find these "immature" games more fun than actual kids games, it's not just me. Actually, because of me, a lot of my younger cousins and other family members are a part of this group.

Again, ESRB ratings aren't worth shit.

Point is zelda doesn't have the sheer violence gow3 has which should make it more mature audiences. I could care less if you think I am ignorant I am right and you are wrong.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Here is the thing.

The really good, Ivy-League American schools, are really good.

Most schools, when compared to the rest of the world, SUCK ASS in America.

The best schools are not the average, the average American school is a pile of shit in comparison.

Point is we have a mixture over here in terms of public schooling but the best colleges and places of higher learning in this country blow canada's best out of the water.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is zelda doesn't have the sheer violence gow3 has which should make it more mature audiences. I could care less if you think I am ignorant I am right and you are wrong.

Point is we have a mixture over here in terms of public schooling but the best colleges and places of higher learning in this country blow canada's best out of the water.

1. Violence does not equal maturity.

2. How do you know this out of curiosity? 😐

Can you actually name any Canadian schools?

Or any schools outside of America for that matter?

The fact that the Ivy-League is so abhorrently expensive that for the most part only the obscenely rich can attend them should tell you there is a problem.

Also, there is no real mixture, most public American schools are absolute garbage. I have been fortunate enough to for the most part go to pretty good public schools, but most really suck total ass, and pretty much all are below many other "big" countries.

Nemebro, do you remember when we were having a discussion in some thread here and you were being an ass and said that you're a well respected member in the comic book vs. because you've gone toe to toe with top debaters like Quan-Chi?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Nemebro, do you remember when we were having a discussion in some thread here and you were being an ass and said that you're a well respected member in the comic book vs. because you've gone toe to toe with top debaters like Quan-Chi?
Yes. haermm

And that's why I hate you. haermm

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
And that's why I hate you. haermm
You know you simply cannot get enough of me. <3

Just got back from a Smash Bros. tourney. Melee = πŸ‘†

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is zelda doesn't have the sheer violence gow3 has which should make it more mature audiences. I could care less if you think I am ignorant I am right and you are wrong.

lol I wasn't calling u ignorant for the ESRB thing, even though u still miss the point. It was your views on America when compared to the rest of the world.

blood and gore DOESN'T make a game mature, it makes it get a mature ESRB rating, which doesn't means shit. The LoZ series has avoided this, getting an E rating, which also doesn't mean shit, and targeted a bigger audience, made of kids and adults. It's a kid friendly game, but it has very dark and mature elements in it, that kids aren't really able to comprehend until they start to mature.

and as for the depth of Kratos as a character, yes it does have bigger impact on how mature the game actually is, but claiming that it's for mature audiences just because of blood and gore doesn't make it a mature game. I never tried downplaying the GoW games as far as the story goes... just the statement that GoW was mature because of all the blood and gore shown in it, and that Zelda isn't from the lack of blood and gore in the series.

Don't forget that all this started by u saying that LoZ was a kiddie game, and was nothing today compared to games like GoW, which "keeps raising the bar". The only thing GoW raised was the amount of blood and gore u can pack into a game at once. You was trying to compare a newer series, which is good... I do like all 4 GoW games, to one that has survived since the dawn of Nintendo. If LoZ games are starting to suck and aren't getting any better, then why do they still have a huge fanbase today? If it's so childish then why weren't u able to beat one of these kiddie games that came out 12 years ago, w/o getting stuck in the same spot for 12 hrs?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
They have Wolverine.

That should end the debate instantly. Like, seriously. qed.

EDIT- Also blonde women.


**** Wolverine.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
**** Wolverine.

lol... wanna play L4D2 or something?... internet is starting to get boring, need to take a break.

Heh. I know the feeling, but nah. Just got off that game after playing some long rounds of versus with Wei Phoenix and some people. Maybe later in the day or tomorrow night, or we could play some Halo 3 together or somethin' later instead since we still haven't done that yet, but I'm all X-Box'ed out for now.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Heh. I know the feeling, but nah. Just got off that game after playing some long rounds of versus with Wei Phoenix and some people. Maybe later in the day or tomorrow night, or we could play some Halo 3 together or somethin' later instead since we still haven't done that yet, but I'm all X-Box'ed out for now.

ok man np.... I'll just play DQ8 for now. We'll either have to play 1 or 2 together for now. Still don't have a working copy for the campaign, but I'm trying to get a friend to loan me one of his copies, so I should have it pretty soon. oh yeah, I finally got "A RIDE DENIED" and "GAS SHORTAGE". Just 4 more achievements and I'll have them all, but the DLC πŸ˜„

Also, I should have some points to get them pretty soon, a friend is buying me a 1800 point card so he can play the map packs on CoD4, and he's gonna let me use the rest for what I want. πŸ˜„

edit: should I get the DLC for 1 or 2?πŸ˜•

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
**** Wolverine.

It seems that everyone hates Philippines-America friendship day. mhmm

@Everywun. (Including people mentioned below.) BAI. <3 Gonna go cook over fire and get bit by bugs for a few days.

@NemeBro, Cyner hit the nail on the head in terms of what Quan doesn't understand about maturity. 😐 Was not applying it specificly to GoW3. Though the comparisons could indeed be made. 131

Oh, and @LLLC, treat 'em good, 😎

@Mods, enjoy your vacation.