Originally posted by shin_gear
It's why people say I didn't say this, etc. so cut the retard act.
If you say so. . .
Originally posted by shin_gear
Do you think I'm supposed to believe a nuke equals Soul Edge at full power, because Taki at her prime would mean her using the completed Soul Edge. That's basically Bison fighting prime Cervantes, Soul Edge being the principle reason for that.
She didn't even have Soul Edge during the match for god sakes. So, why are you bringing it up?
And, your avoiding my question, what's the correlation between a nuke at full power and bullets when your fubared?
Originally posted by shin_gear
One, I didn't downplay the feat for explaining why it didn't matter much in the case it was mentioned in.
You said because it was non-canon, but your okay with accepting Jinpaichi's non-canon destroying the world ending, right?
Originally posted by shin_gear
Secondly it's you who's the hypocrite and the liar, since it was you who was claiming Jin hasn't feats since you registered here.
Because, I didn't see his Tekken 4 interlude, do you still see me claiming that now? I don't have a problem admitting that I'm wrong about things gears. You are the still harping about bisons ending my dude.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Furthermore you tried to downplay the mentioned feat saying he lost to the Tekken Force, despite him eventually losing to the Tekken Force who had to use tranquilizers in the end. 😬
No, I didn't, because if I did you would have mentioned the "Double Standard" with Bison. I tried to claim you were wrong by saying he solo'ed Tekken force. Once you corrected me, I was done with it. You on the other hand still have a problem with Bisons feats despite you tried to call me bias if I didn't accept jin beating the Tekken Force on grounds he was subdued. Yet, you don't accept Bison's feat because he was killed in the end (Which is the claim you would of made if argued against jin) and because it's non-canon even though your okay with jinpaichi destroying the world in a non-canon ending.
Originally posted by shin_gear
If he was at the time he would be groaning and telling the person to kill him as soon as possible. 😬
False Dichotomy gears, he doesn't have to fit some youir criteria because he's not doing a set of things.
Originally posted by shin_gear
You're probably not accepting the fact that everything he said to Wulong was 100% accurate.
I accepted everything, I just d not see any proof of him having world busting powers other than Jinpaichi claiming he is being told to destroy everything. That's mad ambiguous and doesn't tell me shit about what he has to do.
Originally posted by shin_gearThe fact that he was imprisoned under Honmaru for 40 years, the fact that he died and was then revived, and the fact that he was revived for the sole fact to destroy the world and had no choice but to fulfill that plan, have absolutely no doubt in them. Though, for some reason now we're to believe that Bison was going to destroy a capital because Charlie said so. Talk about a double standard.
Nice try, but Charlie said Bison would destroy the capitol with psycho power. The target is explained and so are the means of destruction.
Jinpaichi just rants that he wishes to destroy everything. What is explained, does he say how and what he wants to destroy. Everything would mean the universe, are you saying he can destroy the universe as well?
Originally posted by Shin_Gears
That would be conscience by the way.
Nope, it's conscious. . .Conscience is your ability to feel moral responsibility.
Originally posted by Shin_Gears
Nothing, you're saying because he said he claimed he wanted to destroy everything, he didn't know what he's talking about, when existence refers to all people living on the planet
He just say's he will destory everything in a very rabid fashion. That's it, we do not know to what extent. It's pure unsupported speculation with nothing to go by it, but the dialgoue of mad man who cannot control his mind.
Exsistence refers to all things that are seen or known. So, is jinpaichi going to destroy stars now?
Originally posted by Shin_gears
, otherwise existence would mean everything in the universe, and it's quite obvious he isn't capable of destroying everything that exists.
Exsistence means everything known, not specifically worlds man.
Originally posted by Shin_gears
Secondly again, what Jinpachi was saying to Lei were nothing but undeniable revelations. Hell Wulong's story is based on making people tell the truth right before him. Jinpachi was following the devil's order which was to eliminate anything standing in his way and destroy the world. Claiming that he can't destroy the world would be claiming the devil's a retard who's planning a vain attempt. 😬
Nowhere was the world mention, he simply stated he wishes to destroy everything. If that's your only piece of evidence, then Evil ryu can destroy the world as well based on insane dialogue.
Originally posted by Shin_Gears
And it's strange, since earlier you claimed Remulous was underestimating the Devil Gene for the sole face that he said no one in Tekken can destroy a planet.
How long ago was that man, are just going to keep bringing up old post to argue. Why don't you go back in time and argue that with old ashtar. 😬
Originally posted by Shin_GearsOne, Jinpachi does not want to destroy the world, which is why he sent the letter to Wang.
Of course he doesn't, the devil does. That is why they are in conflict.
Originally posted by Shin_Gears
Secondly, Jinpachi revealed the devil was telling him to destroy the world. Jinpachi also revealed he was forced to follow the order.
I know he doesn't, but the demon entity does. Which is why they are in conflict, if the demon is ordering him around. Would that mean he ordered him to send a letter to his friend?
Originally posted by Shin_Gears
Explain to me how someone can follow an order that person's incapable of following.
He wasn't following it though, what did he destroy?
Originally posted by Shin_Gears
Oh, and don't gradually cop out by ignoring my other initially mentioned points.
You mean like the evil ryu analogy you ignored?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Considering the belt was in Tae Kwon Do, yeah, he sucks. Tae Kwon Do fails as a martial art.
Wow.
If you're talking ITF you're sadly mistaken. That version of Tae Kwon Do was used in the korean military. However if you're talking about the stupid olympic version of Tae Kwon Do...yes it completely sucks.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaI see, got a bit confused there.
Nope, it's conscious. . .Conscience is your ability to feel moral responsibility.
Alright, you made your point which was he was fighting over his sense of self-awareness. After the fight with Wulong the devil was defeated and was about to perish. The entire time it was Jinpachi speaking and not acting insane. 😬
Originally posted by Fire NinjaI was not even bringing this up for one thing. Secondly again, existence does not refer to everything in existence, kind of the reason why it was stated mankind was on the brink of extinction.
He just say's he will destory everything in a very rabid fashion. That's it, we do not know to what extent. It's pure unsupported speculation with nothing to go by it, but the dialgoue of mad man who cannot control his mind.
Why do you keep bringing this up, this is supposed to be about Jinpachi's discussion with Wulong, not what he said right before he transformed in the fight.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaYou're still bringing this up to invalidate my initial point, and it's failing.
Exsistence refers to all things that are seen or known. So, is jinpaichi going to destroy stars now?
Originally posted by Fire NinjaQuite a deal Emp, you don't see people going around saying Bison was a mad man because he claimed he could destroy the world. 😬
Exsistence means everything known, not specifically worlds man.
And another reason, why are you mentioning the part where he said his goal was to do that when it never happened. He was transformed already when he was met by Jin. The part where he said his goal was to destroy all existence is vague and can be interpreted in many ways, so no, it does not have to refer to everything existent. All that was revealed in Wulong's story were some revelations that canonically were not revealed for a reason.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaBe sure of what you say before you say it. Watch it again for who knows which time. He mentions he was ordered to destroy the world and had no choice but to follow that order. Dammit dude. 😬
Nowhere was the world mention, he simply stated he wishes to destroy everything. If that's your only piece of evidence, then Evil ryu can destroy the world as well based on insane dialogue.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaIt's just strange to know that you switch sides so often. You like to argue things that've occurred in games as facts, but later on you claim they're not and go against them and hold new statements as facts. This is what makes you lose credibility over time. 😬
How long ago was that man, are just going to keep bringing up old post to argue. Why don't you go back in time and argue that with old ashtar. 😬
Originally posted by Fire NinjaAnd as I said, how does this contradict the statement that it was Jinpachi speaking to Wulong after being defeated, because there were absolutely no signs showing it was the devil talking to him. Now, I am not saying you are claiming they contradict. You are probably thinking about the part in the game where he said he wanted to destroy everything, but that never happened nor does that technically mean he's capable of pulling that off. Jinpachi saying he was following an order which was to destroy the world means he was following the order, in other words making causes that would lead to the world's destruction and the end of humanity.
Of course he doesn't, the devil does. That is why they are in conflict.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja*Sigh* the remaining scrap of consciousness left within Jinpachi caused him to HOLD the tournament and send the letter. I mean Christ.
I know he doesn't, but the demon entity does. Which is why they are in conflict, if the demon is ordering him around. Would that mean he ordered him to send a letter to his friend?
Originally posted by Fire NinjaSaying he wasn't destroying anything doesn't explain that he wasn't following the order:
He wasn't following it though, what did he destroy?
1. He had to, as stated, eliminate anyone in his path of carrying out the plan. That would be everyone in the tournament including Jin Kazama and Wang. The devil was forcing Jinpachi to eliminate them. Jinpachi wanted someone to stop him, thus defeating the devil. Another thing, you see tornadoes in the fight against Jinpachi that he created along with the storm in a matter of seconds. Tornadoes are known to devastate regions of the world. Could he not destroy the world that way?
2. In his ending you hear that no one was able to stop him. What happens then? Jinpachi loses all of his sense and his mind is consumed by the devil, while in the process reaching a new transformation. As a result of that you see the area around him shake. He flies off and then it's stated the world changes forever, so, does that correlate with the now inevitable devastation of the world? Yes it does.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaNo, you brought that up when it failingly invalidates my initial point.
You mean like the evil ryu analogy you ignored?
The actual reason that was said was to demonstrate to you how stupid it is to accuse someone of copping out when the points being argued had no evidence supporting them, and/or when that someone saw no good point in continuing.
Originally posted by shin_gear
I see, got a bit confused there.
It's okay.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Alright, you made your point which was he was fighting over his sense of self-awareness. After the fight with Wulong the devil was defeated and was about to perish. The entire time it was Jinpachi speaking and not acting insane. 😬
I know, I was speaking in general that Jinpaichi was in conflict with the demon. That Dialogue with Jinpaichi was sincere, but it was not my point man. Jinpaichi never claimed that he would destroy everything, that was the entity that was saying that.
Originally posted by shin_gear
I was not even bringing this up for one thing.
Secondly again, existence does not refer to everything in existence, kind of the reason why it was stated mankind was on the brink of extinction.
The definition of existence is clear, it refers to all things known. If he was specifically refering to the planet, then you have to show me where he stated this.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Why do you keep bringing this up, this is supposed to be about Jinpachi's discussion with Wulong, not what he said right before he transformed in the fight.
I did address it, just because he's being ordered to destroy something does not mean he can. . .If that's what your getting at. What else in his dialogue with Wulong indicate anything to the contrary?
Originally posted by shin_gear
You're still bringing this up to invalidate my initial point, and it's failing.
It's not because jinpiachi states that he wants to destroy everything.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Quite a deal Emp, you don't see people going around saying Bison was a mad man because he claimed he could destroy the world. 😬
When did he say he wants to destroy the world?
Bison wants to rule the world not destroy it. 😬
Originally posted by shin_gear
And another reason, why are you mentioning the part where he said his goal was to do that when it never happened.
It never happened, based on what?
Originally posted by shin_gear
He was transformed already when he was met by Jin. The part where he said his goal was to destroy all existence is vague and can be interpreted in many ways, so no, it does not have to refer to everything existent.
But, you just stated that he meant the world when he said exsistence, gears. 😬
Originally posted by shin_gear
All that was revealed in Wulong's story were some revelations that canonically were not revealed for a reason.
Wait, what eveidence do you have that his dialogue with jin did not happen. . .but, his dialogue with wulong did. 😬
Originally posted by shin_gear
Be sure of what you say before you say it. Watch it again for who knows which time. He mentions he was ordered to destroy the world and had no choice but to follow that order. Dammit dude. 😬
Okay, now does that answer what I asked? Jinpaichi is possessed by a murderous creature that desires to destroy the world, how does that equate to him having the ability to destroy the world?
I've been asking you to post evidence for sometime now.
The irony is I found it myself:
Originally posted by shin_gear
It's just strange to know that you switch sides so often. You like to argue things that've occurred in games as facts, but later on you claim they're not and go against them and hold new statements as facts. This is what makes you lose credibility over time. 😬
Because I change my mind, please. I don't come here to look cool or have everyone flock around here. . .only losers do that. I come to debate and even after I look at a debate, I question feats, When I debated you before with this you could not prove he could destroy the world.
Originally posted by shin_gear
And as I said, how does this contradict the statement that it was Jinpachi speaking to Wulong after being defeated, because there were absolutely no signs showing it was the devil talking to him.
I did not state that devil was speaking to Wei. I said that when he rants about destroying the everything, it's the devil speaking.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Now, I am not saying you are claiming they contradict. You are probably thinking about the part in the game where he said he wanted to destroy everything, but that never happened nor does that technically mean he's capable of pulling that off.
How can you say that it never happened when it was jin who was the one who defeated Jinpaichi. I could be a dick and say that the proof that I offered to prove jinpaichi can destroy humanity doesn't count because it's non-canon or I can hide it or I can bring up the point that you won't accept non canon things (Bison nuke). . .I'm not, buut you can't say it did not happen gears.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Jinpachi saying he was following an order which was to destroy the world means he was following the order, in other words making causes that would lead to the world's destruction and the end of humanity.
He's says he is being told to destroy the world by a devil that says he will destroy everything.
*Sigh* the remaining scrap of consciousness left within Jinpachi caused him to HOLD the tournament and send the letter. I mean Christ.[/B]
It was a rhetorical question. 😬
The fact that he's doing things that devil would not do means he's in conflict with it. That's all I've been trying to say.
Saying he wasn't destroying anything doesn't explain that he wasn't following the order:1. He had to, as stated, eliminate anyone in his path of carrying out the plan. That would be everyone in the tournament including Jin Kazama and Wang. The devil was forcing Jinpachi to eliminate them. Jinpachi wanted someone to stop him, thus defeating the devil. Another thing, you see tornadoes in the fight against Jinpachi that he created along with the storm in a matter of seconds. Tornadoes are known to devastate regions of the world. Could he not destroy the world that way?
No, Jinpaichi held the tournament in order to meet opposition. Because he could not destroy himself, it had nothing to do with destroying the world and everything in it.
Tornado's destroying the world, man? 😬
How would a tornado destroy the sea bed which has very little air?
2. In his ending you hear that no one was able to stop him. What happens then? Jinpachi loses all of his sense and his mind is consumed by the devil, while in the process reaching a new transformation. As a result of that you see the area around him shake. He flies off and then it's stated the world changes forever, so, does that correlate with the now inevitable devastation of the world? Yes it does.
Except the fact that the ending is non-canon, which was one of the reasons you denied bisons feat. Also, an area shaking is not relative to the size of the earth nor does that ending prove jack except a vague dialogue stating the world will never be the same.
No, you brought that up when it failingly invalidates my initial point.
Your point was never valid in the first place, dude. Wulong's interlude did not say anything, but jinpaich being order to destroy the world. Now your claiming jins dialogue did not happen to try to force Wulongs dialogue down my throat. Then, your arguing because he was ordered to do something, he could do it. . .Despite the fact that devil was insane. . .Dark Ryu dialogue is in play. Devil's rants are just as relevant as his. 😬
The actual reason that was said was to demonstrate to you how stupid it is to accuse someone of copping out when the points being argued had no evidence supporting them, and/or when that someone saw no good point in continuing.
Your points weren't good enough though and when you left. You made off hand comments about people. The irony of all this is I found my own proof.