Originally posted by NemeBro
Kain would be annihilated, of course.Well, off the top of my head. Pyron in particular is a cosmic energy being, who is normally invisible, but is able to assimilate planets into his form. His full size dwarfs the Milky Way galaxy, and he himself has a galaxy of planets he assimilated orbiting him, said galaxy is about four times larger than the Milky Way. Even while fighting on mortal terms, he can do shit like teleport and shrink constellations to use in battle, forcing the shrunken stars to supernova.
That is from one character.
Not bad.
Batman toon force:
also:
"I'm Batman" is a suitable answer for any question. Ever.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To putr it Simply. BT is like our slightly less dense QWuanchi.
And your our much more dense BT, minus the evidence giving or debate (clowning and trolling is more your area hm?)
Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube videoJust watch for the first 20 seconds or so. Burning Thought believes that Link lifting that pillar is impossible by physics, so it should not be used in debates to prove that Link has superhuman strength.
He thinks that because Link is human (technically Hylian), anything he does that is superhuman is physically impossible because humans can't do it. Of course, this ignores Link's status as a divine Chosen One.
Link, 100-200 pounds, doesnt matter his exact weight, Has 650 tons on top of him, regardless if what GK previous said was true and his upward force completly negates the blocks, the weght does not disapear, it just so happens that Link hardly feels it. That does not mean to say that other physical interactions, e.g. gravity would not knock him to the floor, he who does not seem to balance it at all.
Combine that with the fact he clearlt grunts/sighs with effort as he lifts it, the guy does not do it easily enough to be able to throw it. 2000 joules range to be exact.
only the "divine chosen one" is not claimed or stated to give him any benefits, he and beings/world around him are not portrayed as being 650 tons in strength. But a further example is that DMC, LoK and certainly GoW are.
Originally posted by -Pr-
so what is the actual argument?
Logc, physics and accurate math cannot be used to calculate an illogical event that clearly ignores certain physics.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I am disappointed in all of you, BT's argument is actually easily breakable, it is sad that I am the only one who knows what must be said.Now, according to forum rules, ALL of a characters abilities translate to the "neutral" versus thread.
A classic example being the Force carrying over into the neutral field when discussing Star Wars characters.
Now, in this case, if Link runs on Toonforce, then this is an ability of his. It would ALSO carry over into the versus thread.
So basically, BT has two options, Link has superhuman physical might, or is a toonforce reality warper.
Check and mate.
You failed, why?
Because the aim is not to discredit the feat, the feat happened. But how impressive it is? well, if its just toonforce then the logic of accurate math/physics cannot be applied to it. Disregarding the fanon made math, and the large number of assumptions that go with it.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
That is where the magic gauntlets come in, of course. They amplify his lifting force, to the point where it has negligible effect on his frame. An upward force equal to a downward force means a net force of zero. Basic physics. Our current powered suit technology works in the same manner, using servos to amplify force exerted by the user.Balance is a question of placement and position, as any plate spinner can show you. Link is in a position with knees bent that gives him a low center of gravity and prime control over his balance. It's finesse, not impossible.
Can you show me this in progress?
wrong, Link doesn ot bend his legs after he has lifted it. He stands staight, almost straight backed with 650 tons on his small frame. Weight in the environment/gravity do not simply disapear because Link has the strength to lift it, the weight is still there, it just happens to according to your above statement stop at Link, Link however would still be heavy enough to affect the area and his environment or indeed, fall.
Originally posted by -Pr-
😐if he has the feats, he has the feats.
yes but if he has the toonforce, he does not have the logic/math. 😉
Originally posted by NemeBro
Well BT directly ignores the meaning of toonforce.An acceptable break from scientific law for the sake of humor.
not really, I just use it on things that break from scientific law. Considering Links appearance and size the "humor" part can be added depending on peoples tastes.
Well, I can see his point, if Link only does this in cutscenes and shows no signs of having that strength in fights I don't know if it should really be used in a vs. thread.
It's somewhat like Spiderman vs. Firelord (SvFL), which used to be a rule in the Comic Vs. Forums iirc.
Though the reason of "not in accordance with real world physics" would be silly.
That is one thing, another is that Links strength is not consistant, the guy is not portrayed as having 650 tons of strength throughout the game, only on those particulour puzzle blocks (2 of them are apprently canon)
Kratos for example, would because the guy does it throughout his entire games, just like how Dante has speed and good strength throughout his games.
You cant just use math to calculate Link, who seems to ignore some physics quite often to be stronger than the series would make sense in. The guy is a normal hylian, given some gauntlets its fair to say hes damn strong but to what extent does this affect physics? calculating a normal guy+super strength with something that heavy on top of him as being durable based on that object is imo unlikely.
Then again, perhaps there is no durability involved, if what GK said was true the downward force is being cancled out by Links strength.
The argument is that the feat is real, what link does is real, but the math that Screampaste adds on? thats what he makes up himself and what with the bent physics this is not likely accurate, therefore feat yes, the games physics yes, Screampastes math? no.
Exactly my point. Disgard that feat, I am fine with that but accept others. E.g. I fully accept that Link, despite a lack of experiance can expertly and accuratly fire a bow over incredible distances. Thats fine....
But in places like this:
How can one calculate accuratly physics, or begin to do the math on Dangoro (supposedly 35-45 tons) or Links strength when clearly the physics are bent, and the developers are not so interested in physics. E.g. Dangoro bouncing despite his weight along the lava like a cartoon.
one would be illogical to try and calculate Dangoros weight or Links strength based on this scene, not necesserily all because clearly weight/strength are not important to the game/developers at this point.
Originally posted by Burning thought
That is one thing, another is that Links strength is not consistant, the guy is not portrayed as having 650 tons of strength throughout the game, only on those particulour puzzle blocks (2 of them are apprently canon)
And what do you know, there is a reason for this. Link did not recieve the Golden Gauntlets (the item that increases his strength) until the final dungeon, and after he did get them, he lifted 3 giant pillars, 2 in the same dungeon he got them. You're faulting him for consistency despite the fact that he legitimately got stronger really suddenly, and only at the end of the game.
I could say that's like me saying Kain can't use the purified Soul Reaver because it's inconsistent with the rest of the game.
Kratos for example, would because the guy does it throughout his entire games, just like how Dante has speed and good strength throughout his games.
You miss the point of Zelda, if I may say so. Link is the quintessential hero who goes from little farmboy to great hero over the course of the story. Kratos starts off half god, and Dante starts off half devil. They don't have to improve much, as they have the luxury of getting a lot of things up front. Kain, too, automatically gets bonuses for being a vampire. Link? He more often than not has to earn that ability. Link starts off extremely weak, usually, but he ends up throwing pillars like that by the end.
You cant just use math to calculate Link, who seems to ignore some physics quite often to be stronger than the series would make sense in. The guy is a normal hylian, given some gauntlets its fair to say hes damn strong but to what extent does this affect physics? calculating a normal guy+super strength with something that heavy on top of him as being durable based on that object is imo unlikely.
Like Pr said, he has the feats. And you're not considering the fact that the Gauntlets are magic. Magic and physics don't go well together, but it doesn't change the weight of that pillar.
Then again, perhaps there is no durability involved, if what GK said was true the downward force is being cancled out by Links strength.
Or Link has improved to the point of being able to take the weight, or the Gauntlets are just that magic.
The argument is that the feat is real, what link does is real, but the math that Screampaste adds on? thats what he makes up himself and what with the bent physics this is not likely accurate, therefore feat yes, the games physics yes, Screampastes math? no.
Screampaste math is no different from Einstein math. Numbers don't lie. The weight of that pillar doesn't change just because you don't like it.
Originally posted by The Scenario
And what do you know, there is a reason for this. Link did not recieve the Golden Gauntlets (the item that increases his strength) until the final dungeon, and after he did get them, he lifted 3 giant pillars, 2 in the same dungeon he got them. You're faulting him for consistency despite the fact that he legitimately got stronger really suddenly, and only at the end of the game.I could say that's like me saying Kain can't use the purified Soul Reaver because it's inconsistent with the rest of the game.
You miss the point of Zelda, if I may say so. Link is the quintessential hero who goes from little farmboy to great hero over the course of the story. Kratos starts off half god, and Dante starts off half devil. They don't have to improve much, as they have the luxury of getting a lot of things up front. Kain, too, automatically gets bonuses for being a vampire. Link? He more often than not has to earn that ability. Link starts off extremely weak, usually, but he ends up throwing pillars like that by the end.
Like Pr said, he has the feats. And you're not considering the fact that the Gauntlets are magic. Magic and physics don't go well together, but it doesn't change the weight of that pillar.
Or Link has improved to the point of being able to take the weight, or the Gauntlets are just that magic.
Screampaste math is no different from Einstein math. Numbers don't lie. The weight of that pillar doesn't change just because you don't like it.
That does not exclude the other games where he does not necesserily wear those gauntlets yet lifts a Goron for example.
Thats because their bonuses for being what they are, their empowered, hence why their strength is constant and consistent, as are their supernatural powers. But if a normal man, Link for example without hint to power or strength does something then its not logical within the games universe, therefore trying to figuire out logical physics for it is unusual/redundant. As you said, hes a farmboy who gets more experianced, that makes sense but unlike Kain, Kratos and Dante he does not have initial potential for 650 ton strength feats, so when eh does it without aid (without the gauntlets) it does not make logical sense. Even Kain in Blood omen gets audiable power ups to his strength so its not like a random illogical occurance.
He has the feats, but like I said not the math if the feat is against physics. The gauntlets only increase strength, they add balance/counter to gravity or increase his durability.
When? when has he improved? thats a baseless assumption, an assumption based on the idea that the block has to be physically correct, circular logic does not work in this case.
It is unique, because Einstein did not deal with illogical physics or games that are full within their power and right to defy logic.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know, between that and the earlier video it does seem like Link has incredible strength in the games..
But thats a few instances, sure he may be strong, but the physics in question disregard how actually working it out with math is a little redundant, especially the throw. Theres so many unsusal things going on there.
Hey, guys? Guess what! You've annoyed GK and myself!
No more arguing about "toonforce" in this thread.
We have another way we're going to settle this once and for all, and everyone will be required to follow this ruling, whether you like it or not. Yes, BT, that includes you if it goes against what you want.
Well, you'll see once GK is done working with what he's working on and is able to get on KMC. It was his idea, I'm letting him handle it.
And you are the one that goes on about your own personal rules as though they mean something. There won't be any trolling allowed or involved in this, though. We'll both make sure of it.
Moo, knock it off.