Originally posted by NemeBro
Heath Ledger's Joker complex?Hahaha neither are that complex. 😐
The Joker feigns depth and complexity, but doesn't really possess a signifigant deal of it. Ledger's Joker anyway.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Well I dunno if Palpatine is a better villain than the Joker. I do know however that Ledger's Joker was incredibly one-dimensional.
Contrary to popular opinion, the Joker had more of a character that 'just wanna watch the world burn.' Like, alot more.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Norman Osborn(both Movies and comics) is superiority to Joker in ever single way. I wish Movie Doom was more like his country conquering comic version. So far only Magneto seem to kept his depth.
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Originally posted by NephthysContrary to popular opinion, he did not.
Contrary to popular opinion, the Joker had more of a character that 'just wanna watch the world burn.' Like, alot more.
The Joker in TDK had one real goal, making Gotham his funhouse. His only other goal, which really just helps make Gotham a funhouse, is proving that anyone has the potential for evil. Which he wanted to do to make Gotham a funhouse.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, he really is. Unambiguously evil? No complex motivations? Did you even watch the same movie as me? The movie is about he and Batmans struggle over the soul of Gotham City, the struggle between these two people and their two perceptions of the world.The Jokers motivations? To prove that humans are just as evil as he is deep down: 'I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the current.' Every single action he performs in calculated to turning people against one another: 'Once the chips are down, these civilised people will eat each other.' The bankheist, where every one of them turns on their fellows simply for a larger share, the 'tryouts' where he has 3 people kill each other for a chance of survival, turning the city against Batman, turning the city against the Squeeler, turning the two boats against each other, and finally, Harvey Dent.
The Joker is constantly trying to prove that people are just like him, trying to justify his own madness: 'What we're you trying to prove, that deep down everyones just like you? You're alone.' And even when it turns out he's wrong with the boats, he shrugs it off because he's [b]already
proven that with a little 'push' the most noble and decent human being can become just as crazed and has murderous as himself. He isn't mad, he isn't a murderous monster, he's simply a man who sees the world for what it is. The movie is about him justifying his own madness. Because, yeah, he wants to see the world burn. But in his mind, so does everyboody else.[/b]
To tell the truth, I'm not seeing where you got the idea that he just wanted to turn the place into his fun house. If this was the case, then why would he try to get Batman to kill him?
You said "he is a man who sees the world for what it is."
That alone seriously cripples your credibility, especially since it ignores that the Joker was in fact not supposed to be right.
He is a murderous monster, him trying to justify it does not change that.
You pointed out basically that: He wants to prove everyone is like he is.
That is a character trait. A single one.
It does not make him particularly complex.
Edit: Batman killing him would have been the funniest joke of all.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You said "he is a man who sees the world for what it is."That alone seriously cripples your credibility, especially since it ignores that the Joker was in fact not supposed to be right.
Is he not? Up until the end with the boats he's constantly proven right. Then all the stuff with Harvey Dent further proves his point. And at the end Batman kills Dent and doesn't even seem that broken up about it.
Plus I was expounding on his motivations there, talking from his perspective. Its something peopl do when they're feeling especially lazy like I am.
I don't feel like having this discussion with two dudes at once though. I'm droppin' it if you don't mind.