Originally posted by RE: Blaxican1. You should be sorry. And I'm not particularly fond of Lovecraft physically, he was not particularly good looking. Actually, he was sort of a dick too, but I digress.
Hey bro, sorry I'm not validating your love for Necrons and H.P. Lovecraft's penis.Where did I say this? That's not true at all.
Actually, they're so not popular that Games Workshop is overhauling them. That was what started this discussion, wasn't it?
Dan Abnett is 45 and has written 20 full length stories, age means nothing. It probably has more to do with the fact that The Call of Cthulhu was almost universally panned as a shitty story when it was first released, and like many of his works didn't gain popularity until decades later, after Liberal Arts major pseudo-intellectual hippies started to take notice them.
It's besides the point because he didn't need to. It was a single short story that was designed to be a short story. He didn't need things like character development or other traits that typically benefit a major character.
None of these are related to one another. If you seriously think that appearing in a board game one day and a video game, etc. et all is the equivalent of being a character carrying a a book series, then I don't know what to tell you. And, lol @ "highly successful". Look who's being relative now.
How does this conflict with anything I've said?
Well, you seem incapable of grasping the overarching point here, so I' assuming you're just being stubborn because you like Necrons and Cthulhu.
I'm looking at it from the perspective of a for-profit company trying to make money, not from the perspective of some college student who thinks he's sophisticated because he knows what thematically means. I'm being facetious of course. However, my personal opinion hasn't even been factored into this yet. Everything I've said so far is based upon objective fact.
If the Necron fanbase was so large that changing the Necron fluff and alienating their fanbase could be troublesome, Games Workshop would not be doing it.
2. Yes you did.
3. Not really, no. What started this conversation is me expressing dislike for the direction they were being taken in, then you, being the wannabe super kewl troll you are, jumped up my ass about them being plotwise the weakest faction, and then bringing big bidness into it, for some reason. When I was only stating my subjective opinion, you decided to bring in your alleged "objectivity" into it.
And please, Games Workshop doesn't give a shit if the faction was popular or not, and Necrons were actually a fairly popular army back in 3rd/4th edition. Nowadays? Not as much, no, but that's how outdated armies work.
4. Dan Abnett has a reliable source of income. Lovecraft never did. Almost universally panned? Only The Call of Cthulhu was NOT almost universally panned, in fact, among Lovecraft's work, even at the time, it was pretty well-regarded. Granted, I am not saying it was critically acclaimed, none of Lovecraft's work when he was alive ever was (Except maybe the Shadow Out of Time, though I may be wrong). Oh, and you are getting your authors wrong, it was Tolkien who wasn't popular until the "pseudo-intellectual hippies" read his work. It is largely August Derleth who is to thank for Lovecraft's current popularity.
Oh, and by the way, in your blatant insulting of people who liked and supported Lovecraft's work as "pseudo intellectual hippies," are you not, in your backlash against a popular work, qualifying as said "pseudo intellectual" as well? Although, you are not a hippy, not to my knowledge.
5. Or, you know, because cosmic horrors are not meant to be humanised. The Reapers from Mass Effect have carried Mass Effect as the primary villains all throughout the series, now, while they do have a characterization, it is a decidedly inhuman one. Like the Necrons. 😐 Well, the Lords, Immortals, and Flayed Ones, at least. Now, I will admit this Blax, the characterization of the Necrons should be EMPHASIZED more in fluff, but not completely rewritten. And actually, admittedly not everything in Fall of Damnos was particularly bad, such as Flayed Ones wearing the flesh of their victims because they have a insane need to feel what it was like to have a flesh and blood body. That's cool. Much of what else was done is not.
6. The characterization has been almost universally the same. A looming, ominous cosmic horror, that if it wakes up completely spells doom for the world. This characterization continues to carry on.
7. Why don't the Tyranids get shit for being a looming, ominous threat? Like Chaos? Hell, one could say the biggest Ork Warlords fit into this description as well. Shit, even the Dark Eldar fit at times, and their codex has cosmic horror within its pages as well. So by your own definition, several factions are "redundant" pastiches of Chaos.
8. Cool story bro. And actually, I personally find Cthulhu in particular to be overrated.
9. Joke's on you, I'm not in college. estahuh Objective fact? "Necrons and Tau are boring and redundant," "Necrons are plotwise the weakest faction at the moment," all subjective statements. Just because you know what the word "objective" means, does not mean you should use it improperly.
10. Uh, they certainly ****ing would. The Space Marine fanbase is huge. A very sizeable portion of the fanbase HATES what Ward has done with all three Marine codices he has written, especially the Grey Knights codex, which committed the grievous crime of suggesting the Grey Knights are, in fact, not entirely corruptible. It changed other shit I am too lazy to mention, stuff the fanbase did not particularly care for. The Black Templars also have a huge fanbase. Having Ward write their codex is such a shitty move it's insane, seriously, what he will do to it will be hilarious, he has shown obvious bias against the faction quite a few times. Ward still having a job is a bad business decision.
Oh, and how about Chaos Space Marines? They undeniably have a huge fanbase. The 4e Chaos Marine codex was widely hated for the direction the fluff took.
Perhaps business directs this move on their part, but it is not a good business decision, and the faction need not be unpopular for them to make it.
Oh, and as Zane said, they are basically being made more blatant pastiches of the Tomb Kings, apparently. Something they claimed to want to avoid, and the reason for the Squats being wiped out/retconed.
Now, I am well aware GW doesn't give a shit about the fanbase, that has been made apparent, and the same is true for most companies, they only want money. I am not saying that is not true, it is. But that doesn't change MY opinion, which is what I was talking about, nor the opinion that when creating a fictional setting that has earned you numerous fans, you should have the decency to take some artistic pride in your work.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I actually just got back from seeing it.It WAS really [b]AWESOME
.Like, I was like, shocked at how good it really was. 😐
I didn't think it would be bad, but it was AMAZING. [/B]
Had I not taken an unplanned detour, I'd have been capable of posting this exact message at the same time.
This is getting creepy now, bro. Stop stalking me.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
So I finished the first season of Code Geass. Shit got really weird.I was fairly impressed with where the whole thing with Euphy went. Lelouch is an interesting character, being a villain protagonist and all that.
Yeah, it does that.
Really? I hated how the one example for a command Lelouch thinks of is genocide. I mean, really?
On the subject of Harry Potter, AWESOME, wouldn't be the word I'd choose. A lot of it bothered me and not because I'm a fanatic of the books, which I've grown to dislike for some reason, but because there were things I just found annoying.
It was by no means a bad movie and it was pretty good as far as Harry Potter films went...but unless it was amazing 3D or it had an amazing beginning(which I missed but nothing important apparently), I don't get the AWESOME.
But that's just me. Share opinions please. :3
The way I see it, Lelouch is theatrical to a fault. Of course he'd think of the most extreme example possible. So when reaching for something to really shock Euphy (because he's bragging, showing off, thus the shock is important) it isn't all that surprising.
I appreciate it for the storycrafting as well, since so close to the end it made a peaceful resolution look like that was really where the story was going to go, just before pulling a diabolus ex machina from the main character's hubris that sends the show careening into hell for the finale. I saw it as a rather masterfully done twist.
Ah but there were several things he could have said that would have been as extreme. Telling her he could make her kill the Emperor for example. Telling her he could make her kill Cornelia. I mean, genocide was a rather contrived incident. Yeah, his theatrics might lend credence to the theory but it seems very random to me.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I actually just got back from seeing it.It WAS really [b]AWESOME
.Like, I was like, shocked at how good it really was. 😐
I didn't think it would be bad, but it was AMAZING. [/B]
I also didn't expect it to be bad, but I didn't go in with very high hopes. I've done that with the first few HP movies and been sorely disappointed. I went to this expecting a decent movie and yeah, I was amazed at how good it was.
Is it perfect? No. Is it entirely accurate to the books? No. But they did a damn good job with what they did do.
Also, Snape's death and the pensieve? Best ****ing scenes in the movie, seriously <3
Neville's a badass, McGonagall remains completely awesome, and the awkward hug was the funniest damn thing ever, it was so random and weird and awkward 😂
Nah, wouldn't have made for an interesting(or sad) finale if he used one of my examples. Though I'd have gotten a chuckle out of seeing Euphy try to kill the Emperor.
Later on though, Lelouch pisses me off.
Spoiler:
He doesn't explain what the hell happened to Suzaku.
Originally posted by Peach
I also didn't expect it to be bad, but I didn't go in with very high hopes. I've done that with the first few HP movies and been sorely disappointed. I went to this expecting a decent movie and yeah, I was amazed at how good it was.Is it perfect? No. Is it entirely accurate to the books? No. But they did a damn good job with what they did do.
Also, Snape's death and the pensieve? Best ****ing scenes in the movie, seriously <3
Neville's a badass, McGonagall remains completely awesome, and the awkward hug was the funniest damn thing ever, it was so random and weird and awkward 😂
Really? I generally liked the first two movies more than the other two personally.
There were some parts that weren't very close though. Which admittedly, some worked for the films advantage.
Spoiler:
They were, but the scene where he craddled Lily's dead body seemed...weird. Chibi Lily should have given Snape a kiss on the cheek when they were younger. I'd have gone d'aww.Yeah...Voldemort was pretty weird. I finally understood the appeal of Draco and his family though. They literally just LEAVE. Holy Shit, was that funny.
I kind of got the impression from the books that wizards could live longer than Muggles - I mean, look at Dumbedore. Dude was freaking ancient.
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And the Malfoy's just going "haha, **** you all we're going home" was hilarious.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
I haven't even seen this movie yet and will have to probably stay out of this thread for awhile since people aren't bothering to add spoiler tags. Thanks guys.
Seriously? The book's been out for years. You should know what happens by now.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah, wouldn't have made for an interesting(or sad) finale if he used one of my examples. Though I'd have gotten a chuckle out of seeing Euphy try to kill the Emperor.Later on though, Lelouch pisses me off.
Spoiler:
He doesn't explain what the hell happened to Suzaku.
Not really. uggh
No offense. Euphie going crazy and killing Cornelia or the Emp wouldn't work in the narrative. There would still be peace between Nipon and Brittania, its just that Euphie would be dead, or crazy. Or the peace would brake down and theyd be back to square one. Neither option moves the plot along any, or has nearly as much dramatic wieght and tragedy to it as what actually happened. And seriously, a little contrivance isn't that big a deal.
That is stupid. But he was trying really hard not to piss him off and get him to do what he was asking. Plus he probably can't justify it to Suzaku because he can't even justify it to himself.