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Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Too bad Voldemort can kill all of them, making an argument rather silly.

Seriously, EU Star Wars feats would make Voldey look like garbage. But the movies don't portray them being nearly as powerful.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Jedi' have lightsabers... thats the extent of my Stars Wars trivia excellent

They also have the ability to act like total douches to the wrong people.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There are plenty of posters on any forum who believe Sidious/Vader, etc. can beat Voldemort. If they separate him from his wand or close the gap, etc. I personally want someone to represent Sidious because I feel that these two characters are the epitome of evil and would be great against each other. He also has force lightning so he can fight with ranged attacks.

Eh, not really.

In the new movie, Voldemort like jerked his neck and magically gashed open Snape's throat like he took a knife to it. Would surprise any of the Jedi/Sith that fought him.

Both series get wanked over there but Star Wars is worse in my opinion. The only Harry Potter guy that is funny is RJ but people fueling that fire so I don't get annoyed by him that much.

And have some roofie mind powers o:

Wasnt it said that all HP chars would lose to a person with a shotgun?

I thought the quote was that the average wizard would lose to a random person with a shotgun.

I find it hard to believe that someone like Voldemort or Dumbledore would get pwnt by Average Joe armed with a gun.

Be funny, though. I'd cheer Joe.

Maybe cos bullets move faster than magic and both would attack attack at the same time save the person doesnt need a chant? /shrugs

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
They also have the ability to act like total douches to the wrong people.

Eh, not really.

In the new movie, Voldemort like jerked his neck and magically gashed open Snape's throat like he took a knife to it. Would surprise any of the Jedi/Sith that fought him.

Both series get wanked over there but Star Wars is worse in my opinion. The only Harry Potter guy that is funny is RJ but people fueling that fire so I don't get annoyed by him that much.

RJ got permabanned. Don't forget though if you take away a wizard's wand they are basically screwed.

Voldemort did that with a jerk of the neck, nothing else.

Seriously, people are stupidly overpowering the Jedi/Sith over there. If they were so freaking powerful, the Clones would have died pretty freaking easily when betraying them. Only one Jedi legit survived that crap, while Obi-Wan was basically just presumed dead, meaning they weren't looked for.

Precog my ass.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Voldemort did that with a jerk of the neck, nothing else.

Seriously, people are stupidly overpowering the Jedi/Sith over there. If they were so freaking powerful, the Clones would have died pretty freaking easily when betraying them. Only one Jedi legit survived that crap, while Obi-Wan was basically just presumed dead, meaning they weren't looked for.

Precog my ass.

It's not just here it's everywhere. Seems to be a pretty even split from what I have experienced from posters.

Jedi can be overwhelmed but the best of the jedi/sith just like the top of the wizards really separate themselves from the pack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, that seemed to be the cutting spell used against Snape.

RJ got permabanned. Don't forget though if you take away a wizard's wand they are basically screwed.

Sectumsempra was the name of the spell.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Voldemort did that with a jerk of the neck, nothing else.

Seriously, people are stupidly overpowering the Jedi/Sith over there. If they were so freaking powerful, the Clones would have died pretty freaking easily when betraying them. Only one Jedi legit survived that crap, while Obi-Wan was basically just presumed dead, meaning they weren't looked for.

Precog my ass.

Precognition only goes so far, especially when everything is clouded by the Dark Side (even Yoda didn't see the attack coming until it happened). Jedi can be taken by surprise, they're powerful but not omnipotent.

A big Harry Potter fan, eh ? I didn't read the books and was only hooked in as I saw order of the phoenix on. They grew noticeably dark to me that movie and on. I casually watched the other movies when they came out but didn't really get excited about it till this one.

I have a question for you well just want to hear your opinion ? In the movie only since I didn't read the books who would you favor out of Voldemort and Dumbledore with say equal wands.

I know, which is why the idea of their precog predicting every thing the wizards does is stupid.

Edit: Dumbledore would probably win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A big Harry Potter fan, eh ? I didn't read the books and was only hooked in as I saw order of the phoenix on. They grew noticeably dark to me that movie and on. I casually watched the other movies when they came out but didn't really get excited about it till this one.

I have a question for you well just want to hear your opinion ? In the movie only since I didn't read the books who would you favor out of Voldemort and Dumbledore with say equal wands.

I've been reading the books since they came out, I love Harry Potter.

Dumbledore, for certain. He fights Voldemort to a standstill in OotP and Voldemort winds up retreating. They're both very powerful wizards, but ultimately Voldemort is too arrogant, too fearful (he's terrified of dying), and actually quite ignorant and dismissive of many branches of magic, which is ultimately his undoing. And it's stated throughout the books that Dumbledore is the only wizard that Voldemort truly feared.

That and Dumbledore actually beat a wizard who did have the Elder Wand and was incredibly skilled.

Quite a lovers spat that was.

Originally posted by Peach
I've been reading the books since they came out, I love Harry Potter.

Dumbledore, for certain. He fights Voldemort to a standstill in OotP and Voldemort winds up retreating. They're both very powerful wizards, but ultimately Voldemort is too arrogant, too fearful (he's terrified of dying), and actually quite ignorant and dismissive of many branches of magic, which is ultimately his undoing. And it's stated throughout the books that Dumbledore is the only wizard that Voldemort truly feared.

I had heard in the books Voldemort only respects Dumbledore as being in his elite class of wizardry and looked at them from a movie perspective as a slight edge to Voldemort because he's pushed magic to it's limits as far as the dark arts went.

When he left in the movie he had to contend with Harry, Dumbedore, and the orders. That to me is why he left so suddenly as he was just outnumbered along with his only true rival there along with them.

Voldemort certainly won the movie fight.

Dumbledore won it in the books though.

Then again, it is basically because Fawkes was a freaking cheater.

Edit: Harry has never been a threat to Voldemort. Like ever. It is only because Voldy obsesses over the kid that he is defeated by him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One thing I thought about though is this from the movie battle at the end of order of the phoenix. It ended up being a stalemate but the battle to me looked like Voldemort was more powerful but then again he was more aggressive than Dumbledore was. Dumbledore had the elder wand as well which gave him an advantage over Voldemort since this was the most powerful wand ever created.

I had heard in the books Voldemort only respects Dumbledore as being in his elite class of wizardry and looked at them from a movie perspective as a slight edge to Voldemort because he's pushed magic to it's limits as far as the dark arts went.

When he left in the movie he had to contend with Harry, Dumbedore, and the orders. That to me is why he left so suddenly as he was just outnumbered along with his only true rival there along with them.

Dumbledore having the Elder Wand was pretty much irrelevant; after all, he won the duel to get the Elder Wand without killing the previous owner. Grindelwald was probably as powerful as Voldemort was, minus the Horcrux thing.

When they fought in OotP, Voldemort was indeed more aggressive. But Dumbledore was able to easily avoid/deflect/turn aside each of Voldemort's attacks.

Nope, not really. Voldemort fears and dislikes Dumbledore, because of Dumbledore's power and intelligence, as well as the fact that Dumbledore knows Voldemort's origins and never let him forget it, and refused to be cowed like everyone else was. I also felt that Voldemort never really understood Dumbledore, who was not afraid of dying and understood that there were things worse than death, who did not want power (and refused it many times), and because Dumbledore understood things that Voldemort did not (the fact that love can be a very strong and powerful magic in itself, for example). As Voldemort strongly feared dying and saw it as the worst thing that could happen to someone and dismissed the idea that love could have power (which backfired badly on him), he would have instinctively disliked and feared someone who disagreed.

In the book it was basically Voldemort and Dumbledore duelling one-on-one, as both Bellatrix and Harry (who were also there) were more or less incapacitated and the rest of the Death Eaters and members of the Order were duelling elsewhere. The movie misportrays it.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: Harry has never been a threat to Voldemort. Like ever. It is only because Voldy obsesses over the kid that he is defeated by him.

Yup, that's why there was such a fuss over the prophecy. If Voldemort hadn't been so afraid of being defeated and dying, he wouldn't have created his biggest opposition. Harry was able to stand up to and defeat him because Voldemort was afraid of and obsessed with him.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I know, which is why the idea of their precog predicting every thing the wizards does is stupid.

Edit: Dumbledore would probably win.

Coleman Trebor being killed by Jango Fett in AotC would, though.

But that's inconsequential really. A random Jedi would defeat a random Wizard because with PIS and CIS off any Jedi that can lift a hundred pound object could with a thought apply that same force to someone's adams apple and kill them instantly.

If one Sith is able to due that to their precog by simply being there, their precog probably sucks anyway. Doesn't help that said Sith also has pretty crappy precog, considering he didn't see Vader chucking him down the Death Star thing...Why would your throne room be there anyway?

And I'm not sure. Jedi aren't so forceful so Idk is PIS/CIS being turned off would help. Seems more of a no holds barred kind deal. Doesn't help that we don't see much of the average wizards, since most of the ones we see are kids.

Originally posted by Peach
Dumbledore having the Elder Wand was pretty much irrelevant; after all, he won the duel to get the Elder Wand without killing the previous owner. Grindelwald was probably as powerful as Voldemort was, minus the Horcrux thing.

When they fought in OotP, Voldemort was indeed more aggressive. But Dumbledore was able to easily avoid/deflect/turn aside each of Voldemort's attacks.

Nope, not really. Voldemort fears and dislikes Dumbledore, because of Dumbledore's power and intelligence, as well as the fact that Dumbledore knows Voldemort's origins and never let him forget it, and refused to be cowed like everyone else was. I also felt that Voldemort never really understood Dumbledore, who was not afraid of dying and understood that there were things worse than death, who did not want power (and refused it many times), and because Dumbledore understood things that Voldemort did not (the fact that love can be a very strong and powerful magic in itself, for example). As Voldemort strongly feared dying and saw it as the worst thing that could happen to someone and dismissed the idea that love could have power (which backfired badly on him), he would have instinctively disliked and feared someone who disagreed.

In the book it was basically Voldemort and Dumbledore duelling one-on-one, as both Bellatrix and Harry (who were also there) were more or less incapacitated and the rest of the Death Eaters and members of the Order were duelling elsewhere. The movie misportrays it.

Yup, that's why there was such a fuss over the prophecy. If Voldemort hadn't been so afraid of being defeated and dying, he wouldn't have created his biggest opposition. Harry was able to stand up to and defeat him because Voldemort was afraid of and obsessed with him.

It seemed like they both countered the other one's attempts. When Voldemort shot all that black energy at Dumbledore and then released it to shatter the glass and knocked Dumbledore to his knees that scene in particular showed me he seemed more powerful and to have the slightest of edges. Now Dumbledore countered when he used the glass to attack him but knocking him down and releasing all that power beforehand left an impression on me watching it.

I do agree Voldemort's lack of understanding and knowing love and the effects it has or could have in the potterverse was a major hole in his game. I think he feared him as a general adversary would fear the other one with a sense of respect but to me him staying on and fighting Dumbledore shows he isn't afraid of dueling and trying to kill him based off his skills. Voldemort poured all his powers into this life making himself as unkillable as he could be but in a sense screwed himself over completely in the afterlife. Dumbledore understood the next level and the natural progression to get there so death didn't bother him like it did Voldemort.

From my friends who have read the books they say many major scenes are misrepresented that's why when I debate movie version I would dismiss the book altogether since the director changed pivotal scenes around for the big screen.