Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
[B]If one Sith is able to due that to their precog by simply being there, their precog probably sucks anyway.

Force power that works on a galactic scale sucks? ermmhappy

Doesn't help that said Sith also has pretty crappy precog, considering he didn't see Vader chucking him down the Death Star thing...

And I'm not sure. Jedi aren't so forceful so Idk is PIS/CIS being turned off would help. Seems more of a no holds barred kind deal. Doesn't help that we don't see much of the average wizards, since most of the ones we see are kids.

Jedi not being forceful is CIS. ermmhappy

Voldemort vs Dumbledore without the Elder Wand is, I think, more difficult to answer than most realize.

Originally posted by Peach
Dumbledore having the Elder Wand was pretty much irrelevant; after all, he won the duel to get the Elder Wand without killing the previous owner. Grindelwald was probably as powerful as Voldemort was, minus the Horcrux thing.

First, how is having the Elder Wand irrelevant? Sure it's not unbeatable but it is the most powerful wand in existence. Able to redirect killing curses and repair Harry's Wand.

Secondly, no way was Grindelwald Voldemort's equal. Grindelwald was defeated by a younger less expirenced Dumbledore in a duel despite having the Elder Wand; on the other hand, Voldemort was able to stalemate Dumbledore. Furthermore, Voldemort has been called the "Most Dangerous Dark Wizards of All Time".

Originally posted by Peach
When they fought in OotP, Voldemort was indeed more aggressive. But Dumbledore was able to easily avoid/deflect/turn aside each of Voldemort's attacks.

Not easily surely. Afterall, Fawkes took a killing curse for Dumbledore while he was fighting the fire serpent. Heck, Dumbledore was even afraid when Voldemort disappeared.

Ultimately, Voldemort is certianly one of the mightiest wizards in the novels. Dumbledore says this about Voldy in OotP, "I knew that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex and powerful protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power."

He was also able to duel 3 proficent duelist at once in a duel (Slughorn, McGonagall, Kingsley) despite his magic not working to the best of it's abillty due to Harry's sacrafice yet he was still winning. And of coruse he was able to do some rather unique things with magic such as his curse on the Defense Against the Dark Arts post and his abilty to fly (which goes against Magical Law). In a fight against a Dumbledore without the Elder Wand I see it going either way.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Force power that works on a galactic scale sucks? ermmhappy

Already noted that Sideous' precognition was being interfeered with by the fact that he was simultaneously using battle meditation to mind control the minds of hundreds of thousands of people. ermmhappy

Jedi not being forceful is CIS. ermmhappy

Considering it helped them predict exactly jack and shit, yes. Yes they do. 😛

Who was he mind controlling and why was he not more concerned with what he was doing?

Not really. Stupidity is, well, being stupid. Not crushing a persons throat with your powers isn't so much as stupid as it is having restraint. If they did that, they basically wouldn't even be Jedi. 😛

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Considering it helped them predict exactly jack and shit, yes. Yes they do. 😛

Who was he mind controlling and why was he not more concerned with what he was doing?

Not really. Stupidity is, well, being stupid. Not crushing a persons throat with your powers isn't so much as stupid as it is having restraint. If they did that, they basically wouldn't even be Jedi. 😛

Palpatine was clouding the Jedi's ability to use the Force, as mentioned in the movies by Mace Windu. In a forum fight, he would nt be doing that.

His fleet and because he was insanely arrogant (and insane). You have to understand, Luke was never a threat to him in the slightest. Even if Vader hadn't of blocked his saber he probably could have avoided it.

Indeed. Jedi use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. Its part of the Jedi code.

Originally posted by Peach
Dumbledore, for certain. He fights Voldemort to a standstill in OotP and Voldemort winds up retreating. They're both very powerful wizards, but ultimately Voldemort is too arrogant, too fearful (he's terrified of dying), and actually quite ignorant and dismissive of many branches of magic, which is ultimately his undoing. And it's stated throughout the books that Dumbledore is the only wizard that Voldemort truly feared.

The most powerful wand in existence.

And yet Voldemort still held his own against Dumbledore when they fought. And keep in mind, that the entirety of the time Voldemort feared Dumbledore, he had the Elder Wand.

I don't see how you could be so certain that Dumbledore would win. With equal wands, the fight may be very different.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Palpatine was clouding the Jedi's ability to use the Force, as mentioned in the movies by Mace Windu. In a forum fight, he would nt be doing that.

His fleet and because he was insanely arrogant (and insane). You have to understand, Luke was never a threat to him in the slightest. Even if Vader hadn't of blocked his saber he probably could have avoided it.

Indeed. Jedi use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. Its part of the Jedi code.

By just existing? And I'll buy that to an extent but the problem is, Palpatine's been in all the movies. So we have no real way to see the extent of Jedi precog abilities when he is not there, save for using the EU. Which isn't allowed in the MvF.

...Why would he control his own soldiers when he could control the rebels instead? And yeah, I know that. But still, him not focusing on what he was doing is very stupid. Him not predicting Ewoks and putting his throne room in and inconvenient place is also stupid.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Dumbledore was wielding the Elder Wand.

The most powerful wand in existence.

And yet Voldemort still held his own against Dumbledore when they fought. And keep in mind, that the entirety of the time Voldemort feared Dumbledore, he had the Elder Wand.

I don't see how you could be so certain that Dumbledore would win. With equal wands, the fight may be very different.

That and Dumbledore would have died if Fawkes had not interfered in the fight to save his ass.

Though, I'd think Dumbledore would probably win out in the end. What with him being the greatest thing since sliced bread in the Harry Potter universe.

Well, Voldemort did have the advantage of Horcruxes, meaning Dumbledore could not truly defeat him anyway.

True but then again Voldemort isn't exactly in the greatest of shapes after being defeated, so he'd essentially be incapacitated.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
By just existing? And I'll buy that to an extent but the problem is, Palpatine's been in all the movies. So we have no real way to see the extent of Jedi precog abilities when he is not there, save for using the EU. Which isn't allowed in the MvF.

...Why would he control his own soldiers when he could control the rebels instead? And yeah, I know that. But still, him not focusing on what he was doing is very stupid. Him not predicting Ewoks and putting his throne room in and inconvenient place is also stupid.

Its unknown exactly how he does it, and its a matter or much exhausting debate over the issue over in the EU forum. Oh, I quite agree, they would be more powerful, but the extent isn't presentable. I was just throwing it out there.

Its an ability called Battle Meditation. Basically the Force user greatly saps the enemy forces will and bolsters your allies. It can win entire wars. After Palpatines death the Imperial forces basically collectively shat themselves, which explains why the greatly inferior rebel fleet won, when even without the Death Star they should have been steamrolled.

Harry also had to alert Dumbledore during the fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its unknown exactly how he does it, and its a matter or much exhausting debate over the issue over in the EU forum. Oh, I quite agree, they would be more powerful, but the extent isn't presentable. I was just throwing it out there.

Its an ability called Battle Meditation. Basically the Force user greatly saps the enemy forces will and bolsters your allies. It can win entire wars. After Palpatines death the Imperial forces basically collectively shat themselves, which explains why the greatly inferior rebel fleet won, when even without the Death Star they should have been steamrolled.

I'm glad I dun like Star Wars too much.

That's...random.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Harry also had to alert Dumbledore during the fight.

Well conversely, Dumbledore probably worried about protecting Harry a lot in that fight. So it might balance out.

touche

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'm glad I dun like Star Wars too much.

That's...random.

Well conversely, Dumbledore probably worried about protecting Harry a lot in that fight. So it might balance out.

Indeed it is. awegimp

He's so black. laughcry

And yet his Star Wars Galaxies rendition looks completely different. crylaugh

Political correctness is not big in the Empire.

Anyway, it was he who was using battle meditation in the Endor battle according to that page.

So it turns out internet failures aren't fun.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Political correctness is not big in the Empire.

Anyway, it was he who was using battle meditation in the Endor battle according to that page.

So that character Majin from Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom seems like I would find him incredibly ossim. But the game doesn't look good outside of that.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
What are you trying to say, you *****? uhuh

I think he is trying to say he wants to shit on your face.

I think.