Originally posted by CosmicComet
I thought Peach said she found women attractive too?
I do. I'm pretty openly bisexual.
There are kind of rules about what is and isn't appropriate to post, though, which you guys well know. Pics of topless women in thongs kinda hit the "not appropriate for this forum" side of things.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Whaaaat about judging an entire sexual preference?
I'm talking about race at the moment, not sexuality. Mind not pulling a Congress move on me here?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Out of of curiosity, what hypocrisy has Nemesis shown? I seem to remember him stating several times that he dislikes homosexuality/bisexuality. I don't recall him saying that homosexuals/bisexuals are collectively bad people, though, so the two situations aren't really comparable.
Exactly.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Out of of curiosity, what hypocrisy has Nemesis shown? I seem to remember him stating several times that he dislikes homosexuality/bisexuality. I don't recall him saying that homosexuals/bisexuals are collectively bad people, though, so the two situations aren't really comparable.
He is not only saying he is not a bigot, but he is speaking of how bad categorization is. He has not just said he does not like homosexuality, he has basically opposed its existence. He is by definition a bigot, the very thing he preach against in his post.
Now I do not hate him for that. We are all entitled our beliefs. That does not make him less so, though.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
I'm talking about race at the moment, not sexuality. Mind not pulling a Congress move on me here?
So, it is alright to categorize sexuality, but not race? There are more quantifiable differences between two races of people, than there are two types of sexuality. If you talk about how bad bigotry regarding race is, you inevitably speak of how bad bigotry is regarding sexuality.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
He is not only saying he is not a bigot, but he is speaking of how bad categorization is. He has not just said he does not like homosexuality, he has basically opposed its existence. He is by definition a bigot, the very thing he preach against in his post.
If that's the case then you're no better than him, are you, since you like some tv shows more than others and like some colors more than others, and some cars more than others, and some animals more than others, yeah?
We all categorize, that's human nature. The point of his post was that one should not categorize people based upon the actions of a few. That's not hypocritical of him to say, as he has never attacked homosexuals themselves; only their acts. There is a difference. Saying "I think homosexuality is unnatural and disgusting" is not a bigoted statement, factually.
If he were to say something along the lines of "I think homosexuals are inferior human beings to heterosexuals due to their sexual preference" then yes, saying that you shouldn't judge a state's population because of one crazy ***** would be a hypocritical statement. He has not done so to my knowledge.
Liking some TV shows more than others, does not mean I judge or hate the TV shows I do not watch. It is just not my cup of tea. There is a HUGE difference between liking one thing more than another, and disliking something. I used to have a cat, that does not mean I hate dogs, simply because I chose a cat.
It is true that we categorize, but you are intelligent enough to know that was not what I meant. I am pretty certain I phrased it so that it would not be interpretated as simply that as well. Categorizing is fine, but judging a category is a whole different matter, which is what this was all about.
If you think it is about simple categorizing, then you have missed virtually everything that has been brought up on the matter. NemesisX, GK and my posts all referred to more than simple categorizing.
And then there's that. Unnatural. There is nothing unnatural about homosexuality. Nothing. And THAT is factual.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
If that's the case then you're no better than him, are you, since you like some tv shows more than others and like some colors more than others, and some cars more than others, and some animals more than others, yeah?We all categorize, that's human nature. The point of his post was that one should not categorize people based upon the actions of a few. That's not hypocritical of him to say, as he has never attacked homosexuals themselves; only their acts. There is a difference. Saying "I think homosexuality is unnatural and disgusting" is not a bigoted statement, factually.
If he were to say something along the lines of "I think homosexuals are inferior human beings to heterosexuals due to their sexual preference" then yes, saying that you shouldn't judge a state's population because of one crazy ***** would be a hypocritical statement. He has not done so to my knowledge.
Oh, please, don't start this shit. Attacking an act like that is attacking the person. You cannot say "I think homosexuality is unnatural and disgusting" without also thinking and meaning "and everyone who is gay is also disgusting".
Homophobia is bigoted, plain and simple, and Nemesis has run his mouth off many a time with his homophobic 'opinions'.
Originally posted by PeachYou're factually wrong about this; sorry, there's just no room to be diplomatic this time. I don't like JRPG's, I think they're moronic and boring. That doesn't mean that I think that people who love JRPG's are moronic and boring. I don't like soccer; I think it is a stupid sport, that does not mean that I think that people who play soccer are stupid. I don't like conservative ideology, I think it encourages selfishness and apathy for fellow humans; that does not mean that I think all conservatives are selfish and apathetic individuals. I think putting your penis in another man's ass is disgusting. I don't think a man is disgusting for having gay sex, though.
Oh, please, don't start this shit. Attacking an act like that is attacking the person. You cannot say "I think homosexuality is unnatural and disgusting" without also thinking and meaning "and everyone who is gay is also disgusting".Homophobia is bigoted, plain and simple, and Nemesis has run his mouth off many a time with his homophobic 'opinions'.
I can provide examples such as these, that explain why your assertion is wrong, all day long hun.
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Liking some TV shows more than others, does not mean I judge or hate the TV shows I do not watch.
That doesn't matter because you do judge the ones that you have seen. There is only homosexual and not homosexual; therefore it can be judged as a whole.
There is a HUGE difference between liking one thing more than another, and disliking something. I used to have a cat, that does not mean I hate dogs, simply because I chose a cat.No, there is no difference. There is hovever a difference between disliking something and hating it, however, so you'd be correct in that aspect. Nemesis has never said he hates homosexuality, though.
It is true that we categorize, but you are intelligent enough to know that was not what I meant. I am pretty certain I phrased it so that it would not be interpretat as simply that as well. Categorizing is fine, but judging a category is a whole different matter, which is what this was all about.Categorizing is judging something as a whole. That aside, Nemesis has never judged homosexuality in the manner that you're describing his actions, so it's a non-issue. He has stated that he finds acts of homosexuality to be disturbing. That is not "judging homosexuality as a whole", and if you think it is, define "whole" to me. Hell, define "homosexuality" and everything it encompasses
If you think it is about simple categorizing, then you have missed virtually everything that has been brought up on the matter. NemesisX, GK and my posts all referred to more than simple categorizing.
I think you've missed Nemesis' point in regards to his feelings about homosexuality.
And then there's that. Unnatural. There is nothing unnatural about homosexuality. Nothing. And THAT is factual.
I agree with you; however that's a separate can of worms.