I find homosexual activity to be disgusting and wrong. Unnatural? Nope. But murder is natural and apparently also wrong.
I also acknowledge physical differences between races, although I don't hate any race more than another because they are all pretty bad. However because of spending most of my life in ghettos I may come off as racist to some white people.
However I think I can speak with some authority on spics, spooks, crackers, gooks, and kikes.
What were we talking about here? I have no idea what Nemesis wrote but I don't view all intolerance as a bad. Protecting one's culture is admirable in its own way.
"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies" - Friedrich Nietzsche.
There are so many wrongs in that first one line alone, Cyner, that I have a hard time deciding where to start.
What is of first and foremost importance to bring up, is your deluded understanding of the word natural. Murder is taking the life of another with premeditated malice. That is not natural. We are the only species on the planet that does that. But I will be fair because I see your point and I will not be so harsh as to harass details.
What you preformed there is a fallacy of anology and it is surely not going to get you many friends around here, comparing homosexuality to murder. But seeing you do not quite understand what you have been getting yourself into by speaking ill of the homosexual state, I will aid you in understanding what exactly it is you are speaking ill of: You are being hateful of the very concept that is love, expression affection towards another human being. You are being hateful towards a man who happen to love someone who had the good fortune in todays society to be born with a Y chromosome. By hating homosexuality, you are doing nothing less than hating several in your workplace or schoolclass, potentially one of those friends you usually hang with. I know for a fact that your favorite movie star Clint Eastwood, is pro homosexuality.
Now I will not push this point too far. If you are open with your conviction, you have surely heard all of those points before and either way, you would not be arsed reading any more through. After all, the point we are discussing is reluctance of comprehension, or homophobia. Whichever term you think suits you the best.
There is not really a lot to say on you thinking it is disgusting or wrong, since that is your opinion and that alone. That however does not change the fact that I am homosexual and by your perspective, disgusting and wrong. Let me say this to that: I got 1,9/2 on the college exam, which is 152 out of 160 on a post-secondary education level test, I have achieved my professional field of preference, I have friends and family that love me, I am financially untroubled and I am socially functional. If it is your perspective that it is disgusting and wrong to be me, then who the hell would want to be right?
As for your graceful conclusion, I initially did not want to touch it because it saddens me so, but I really can not help it. That you do not view all intolerance as bad, is exactly what went to the notorious final solution. That guy was truly devoted to assuring the Jews were an intolerable burdance. Millions followed and millions died on that preaching alone. Now before you say it is unfair to compare you to Hitler, it really is not. He was confident beyond compare that he was right. More importantly, the people that followed him were. He viewed bigotry towards Jews as a legit intolerance. What he later did to the Jews is irelevant to this, but I would fear you in power as much as I would him. You share the same philosophy. He too first and foremost wanted to protect his culture.
Sure, protecting one's culture is admirable in its own way, but not when it comes to blaming its endangerment on something else. If Hitler had devoted himself into promoting Christianity over bashing Jews, he would have gone to history in a whole different way and he would have still protected his culture by promoting it. Not by demoting another.
TL;DR: Cut the bullshit. Fine, hate homosexuals, that is your choice, but do not try to sugarcoat it by saying it should not be wrong to do so. Do absolutely not preach protection of culture, acceptable intolerance or the delusion of right to speak on authority. YOU are the kind of person that had me scared to go to school when I was younger.
He said he does not like the idea of the activity of homesexuality, not the people specifically so a lot of your post should not be directed at him. People get the shivers about all kinds of things and hate all kinds of things, its not a question of being right or wrong to dislike those things though, more preferance. And murder is not natural, killing on the other hand is arguable, many creatures kill eachother in nature although the way I understand it, if they do they did not necesserily mean to do so.
So he is saying it is alright to be homosexual if you do not show it? Much better.
There is no technical difference between if he thinks homosexuality is wrong, or actions by mentioned homosexuality. Saying it is alright to be homosexual for as long as you do not show it, is the same as saying it is not alright to be homosexual.
Animals kill for function. Humans can kill for anything. Humans are the only ones that plan a killing, ergo the only ones with murder in their system.
Saying you find homosexual activity disgusting and wrong, emphasize wrong, is saying homosexuality is wrong. Disgusting I would have been fine with. I hear that all the time. Wrong is a far stronger word and far more hateful than disgusting could ever be. Additionally he did compare homosexuality to murder. You can not deny that phrasing it as apparently also wrong, emphasize this time on also, is nothing less than provokative and the words of a hater.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I find chairs to be utterly disgusting, wrong, and highly corruptive. Most people I tell about this tend to back away slowly and then walk away.
You should get the chair.
Originally posted by Keyter Derton
I found this picture to be related to the current topic.Also, hello Marie! Good to see you again =]
Saving that picture! Hello. Nice seeing you again as well. Been well? 🙂
Originally posted by Q'AniliaA judgement and an assessment are the same thing.
[B]I do not judge those shows. I assess.
There is a huge difference between liking one thing more than another and disliking something.No, there isn't. To dislike something is to like it less than something else. For something to have absolutely no likable qualities at all would be hated, not disliked.
Allow me to illuminate: I like cats, because I appreciate their behaviour a little extra. I still love dogs, but I would not get a dog over a cat, because of how much I appreciate the cat's behaviour. So I pick cat.You dislike the dogs in relation to cats. Why the hell would you prefer cats anyway? Cats suck ass.
That does not make me a dog bigot.It would not make you a "dog bigot" because a bigot is not "someone who dislikes something". Do you actually know what a bigot is? Define it to me.
Categorizing is not judging. Categorizing is dividing according to attributes. Judging is when you then design an angled perspective on this attribute.A judgement is an observation; a categorization is an observation. An assessment is also an observation. Trying to use semantics to split them up won't work.
Categorizing is saying "there are heterosexuals and homosexuals", while judging is saying (for example) "homosexuality is immoral, while heterosexuality is moral". So no, categorizing is not judging.Those are both observations, so no it's the same.
And no, I have not missed NemesisX feelings regarding homosexuality. Time and again, he has made his feelings abundantly clear.Let's turn this logic around on you for a moment:
If you think it is about simple categorizing, then you have missed virtually everything that has been brought up on the matter. NemesisX, GK and my posts all referred to more than simple categorizing.No, I have not missed you and GK's feelings regarding this subject. You have made your points abundantly clear, here.
Do you see now why saying "I haven't missed his point" is a stupid thing to say? You can't tell wither or not you've missed someone's point, unless you're a mind reader. That's also why accusing people of things like "trolling" or "baiting" is stupid. How do you know what someone's implications are over the internet? That aside, Nemesis has flat out stated that you've misrepresented his feelings on the matter; so I guess in your mind he's lying? Go ahead, call him a liar.
Even in discussions regarding how it is not unnatural, he has opposed the homosexual position. And again I must say, I do not hate him for his belief, but that does not mean he is any less of a bigot.Right now, you're being more of a bigot than he is. You say that you don't hate him, but you do attack him because of his belief. I have never seen Nemesis make a personal attack toward someone because of their bi/homo tendencies.
--- Moving on. The dixie cup of truth and logic continues to fend off the maelstrom of hypocrisy and ignorance ---
Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[B][b]What is of first and foremost importance to bring up, is your deluded understanding of the word natural. Murder is taking the life of another with premeditated malice. That is not natural. We are the only species on the planet that does that.
But please, explain to me how violently raping another animal, for fun, and knowing that it can't get pregnant, is somehow not "premeditated malice".
What you preformed there is a fallacy of anology and it is surely not going to get you many friends around here, comparing homosexuality to murder. But seeing you do not quite understand what you have been getting yourself into by speaking ill of the homosexual state,Wow, so much for tolerance, huh? How is him "speaking ill of homosexuality" any worse than you speaking ill of him because he did so in the first place? That's a bit hypocritical of you.
You are being hateful of the very concept that is love, expression affection towards another human being. You are being hateful towards a man who happen to love someone who had the good fortune in todays society to be born with a Y chromosome. By hating homosexuality, you are doing nothing less than hating several in your workplace or schoolclass, potentially one of those friends you usually hang with. I know for a fact that your favorite movie star Clint Eastwood, is pro homosexuality.As BT pointed out, he didn't he hated it, he said it was wrong. The fact that you relate "wrong" and "hate" to each other is you projecting your black and white views on the subject on to him. Secondly, he never said that he finds the love aspect of it wrong, either. For all you know he might only have a problem with the physical, sexual aspect of it. There is a distinction.
That however does not change the fact that I am homosexual and by your perspective, disgusting and wrongI think Modern Warfare 3 is retarded, therefore people who play Modern Warfare 3 are retarded"
No. Please use logic. The act can be separated from the person.
As for your graceful conclusion, I initially did not want to touch it because it saddens me so, but I really can not help it. That you do not view all intolerance as bad, is exactly what went to the notorious final solution. That guy was truly devoted to assuring the Jews were an intolerable burdance. Millions followed and millions died on that preaching alone. Now before you say it is unfair to compare you to Hitler, it really is not. He was confident beyond compare that he was right. More importantly, the people that followed him were. He viewed bigotry towards Jews as a legit intolerance. What he later did to the Jews is irelevant to this, but I would fear you in power as much as I would him. You share the same philosophy. He too first and foremost wanted to protect his culture.Prime example of a slippery slope fallacy. You really shouldn't call people out on their logical fallacies, then make one yourself. That is what we call hypocritical.
You should be more accepting of other peoples beliefs.
TL;DR: Cut the bullshit. Fine, hate homosexuals, that is your choice, but do not try to sugarcoat it by saying it should not be wrong to do so. Do absolutely not preach protection of culture, acceptable intolerance or the delusion of right to speak on authority. YOU are the kind of person that had me scared to go to school when I was younger.