Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Why not kill people all around the world? I still think that such a killer would be virtually impossible to bust(even with modern technology) if he/she took even the most basic of precautions.

He did kill people all around the world. He wiped out violent crime and war world wide because of how many people he killed.

I agree though, which is why I don't think those two could get him. L (the detective) was just borderline omniscient.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Definately disagree. BW was my favourite character from the movie. A strong very performance imo.

Catwoman in TDKR was similarly bad.

I thought Catwoman was meh but Black widow was decently cool.

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From pure detective work Id place Holmes to be above L minus his access to tech and use of police info, and L was already certain that Light was Kira pretty early on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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I think you are.

But I'm not.

I think you're lying.

Are you a liar Nemebro?

No.

Well then I'm placing you under citizens arrest for bestiality and conspiracy to commit murder. awecraz

You're going to jail for a very long time Robert.

As an actual character Natasha was way better than Catwoman, imo.

Outsmarting Loki, being basically undefeatable in H2H, etc etc. Catwoman's role in TDKR was basically to frown at the camera and then have sex with Bruce later. Fun.

But then again, having a large cast of characters and making them all relevant to the plot is Whedon's core talent. So that's only to be expected.

Except for Cap; he kind of dropped the ball with him. Steve was arguably the most useless of the heroes in the movie. The only thing he really contributed was "leadership skills", but ultimately most of his leadership advice was just common sense. Beyond that, all he had was his martial arts, which doesn't mean a whole lot when the majority of your enemies are flying on hover board thingamajigs.

So yeah, Steve wasn't too awesome. But that probably has more to do with the fact that realistically Steve is just a useless character, and less to do with Whedon's directing.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Outsmarting Loki, being basically undefeatable in H2H, etc etc.

And you refer to Steve as the useless one, when everything Natasha can do, Steve can do but better, along with being capable of more?

Both Natasha and Catwoman sucked, really.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Those aren't character traits.

And you refer to Steve as the useless one, when everything Natasha can do, Steve can do but better

Oh right. Nothing.

Blax somewhat has a point in that Cap is the weakest of the hero. However, even throwing aside how easy it is to get Captain America wrong, I wouldn't go as far as to say he dropped the ball with him. Cap had a ton of moments. Stopping Thor and Tony's fight, finding the evidence against Shield, saving a bunch of people in the building, the whole "Why should I listen to you" bit, and all his funny stuff.

Objectively, Hawkeye is the worst hero because, well, brainwashed and crazy for the majority of the movie. But even he has his moments. The one hero that I have the weakest memories of as far as badass moments goes is Thor of all people but honestly he makes up for it with his interactions with Loki.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, but they establish the role her character was suppose to fill within the movie, as well as her traits.

The role of the character does little to remedy the boriness of the character.

Oh sure, Catwoman was more superfluous and had less of a reason to be in the movie, but Natasha wasn't a particularly good character either (Though in hindsight, yeah, Catwoman was worse).

Really? And what did Steve do in the movie that backs up such a supposition?

Oh right. Nothing.

Let me be sure here: Are you disputing that Steve is a more dominant h2h combatant (If only based on raw power) than Natasha?

Why just H2H? You claimed that Steve can do 'everything' better than her. Even ignoring her other skills (she is primarily a spy remember) in a full on fight her electricity disks, guns and daggers give her an even chance against him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]The role of the character does little to remedy the boriness of the character.

Oh sure, Catwoman was more superfluous and had less of a reason to be in the movie, but Natasha wasn't a particularly good character either (Though in hindsight, yeah, Catwoman was worse).

Let me be sure here: Are you disputing that Steve is a more dominant h2h combatant (If only based on raw power) than Natasha?

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Aha! I win.

You said "he could do everything she could but better". Were you referring specifically to H2H combat?

Admittedly I am mostly butthurt because Natasha is the cause of the single worst scene in the ****ing movie.

The real question is: What else can she do?

I was admittedly only referring to combat specifically (Which I should have specified, since this confused the ladyman), not things like interrogation which she would fare better in, as a h2h combatant or gunman, he's superior.

Also, no Nephthys, Captain America would murk Natasha under any context that didn't heavily favor her from the start, and since he's the better tactician, she's not likely to slant a neutral playing ground into one favoring her.

Because Captain America's fist affected Loki, and machine-gun fire didn't. 131