Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Originally posted by The Scenario
Hm, cool. So the dragons stay close to humans for food and such, in exchange for protecting cities or doing some other work?

Though if they're living that close half-dragons are guaranteed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The elves from Eragon. :I

The problem is that dragons are almost always incredibly powerful, but make up for it by being huge monsters. It's ok for them to be like that. If you gave their attributes - innate and immense magical powers, physical superiority, high intelligence, longevity and the ability to breath fire/miscellaneous abilities - to something humanoid then any character is going to seem like a Mary Sue off the bat. Races like that, that are so far above human, are composed entirely on Mary Sue's, hence the name.

There have been a bunch of Half-Dragon characters that are completely insufferable because of how innately overpowered they are.

The Eternals from Doctor Who are at the bare minimum Skyfathers to a man, yet aren't a Mary Sue due to flaws, both practical (Lack of imagination) and personal (They're all arrogant and sadistic assclowns). They are humanoid. The Daleks and the Time Lords also count, to a lesser extent.

Many mythologies or settings have a pantheon as a type of race, often humanoid, and are balanced by being total douchebags and assclowns.

Most of the other humanoid races in 40k are far more personally powerful to varying extents, yet don't usually reach Sueness by virtue of other flaws or character traits (Orks are virtally mindless berserkers and savages, Eldar are dwindling arrogant assclowns, Necrons are rendered insane by their metal bodies and long sleep, etc).

Also, YOU SHUT YOUR STUPID ****ING MOUTH.

People actually read Eragon? lul. You're terrible.

I've never read Eragon lol.

Referring to Neph and that other goon.

The world doesn't revolve you, you jerkass. Not every statement made on this Earth is in reference to something you've said, you filth. You buffoon. You Frodo Baggins lookin motherphucker.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Daleks and the Time Lords also count, to a lesser extent.

The Time Lords are massive Mary Sues. 😬

I know Nemebro, damn.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Time Lords are massive Mary Sues. 😬

Because you touch yourself at night.

Immortality, physical superiority (the Doctor has taken lightning bolts and huge falls without even regenerating), regeneration, access to stupid tech. Besides which, the Time Lords are always portrayed in a Sue-ish light. Practically God-like. Has there ever been a Time Lord who isn't a Sue?

Doesn't physical ability and stuff depend on the purpose within the story and the verse itself? Like Instead of just a blanket issue?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because you touch yourself at night.

Immortality, physical superiority (the Doctor has taken lightning bolts and huge falls without even regenerating), regeneration, access to stupid tech. Besides which, the Time Lords are always portrayed in a Sue-ish light. Practically God-like. Has there ever been a Time Lord who isn't a Sue?

Having super powers=/=Sue.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Doesn't physical ability and stuff depend on the purpose within the story and the verse itself? Like Instead of just a blanket issue?

Yes.

Like I said, bad examples would be the elves from Eragon who all have huge magical powers and superstrength/speed to the point where a regular human is inconsequental compared to them. Good examples would be, eh, Vulcans, since although they're really strong physically it doesn't exactly matter at all in Star Trek, or Atlanteans from DC. The average Atlantean is much stronger than a human, but theres a ton of Superheroes around that can walk through them, so they're still low on the totum pole.

Biologically immortal. Can still be killed if you down them before they regenerate. They fail more and have more faults than a Sue would.

What faults? That they can actually be killed? That isn't a fault.

Arrogance and overconfidence can get the better of them, even be their downfall. Even to villainous levels like the plan to wipe out every life in the universe besides their transcended selves.

Simply having amazing powers doesn't make a character a sue. It's the nature of their powers. Simply being unbeatable doesn't make you a sue.

A sue type of power would be something similar to the theory Astner had for Kenpachi, where his bankai was basically "to automatically be stronger than his opponent". That is a sue type of power. A character who gets stronger the more emotional they get or the more damage they take, is a sue-type of power. Reality warping powers does not a sue make, otherwise every "god" or "cosmic" type of character would be a sue.

Time Lords only seem like Sues because our primary example is The Doctor, who always seems to find a way to solve whatever problems he's facing. That still shouldn't count, though, because more often than not his victories come with casualties, ones that weight heavily on his conscious. I doubt a Sue would have that issue.

I'm not talking about individual characters, I'm talking about the race as a whole.

So am I. Who are our examples that help us define the Time Lords? Off the top of my head I can think of two: The Doctor, and The Master. One frequently saves the world while suffering personal loss, the other is a manic psychotic that is thwarted frequently. I don't see how either of these help us determine that Time Lords as a race are Sues, especially when the race itself no longer exists save for The Doctor.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because you touch yourself at night.

Immortality, physical superiority (the Doctor has taken lightning bolts and huge falls without even regenerating), regeneration, access to stupid tech. Besides which, the Time Lords are always portrayed in a Sue-ish light. Practically God-like. Has there ever been a Time Lord who isn't a Sue?

Because being powerful doesn't actually make you a Sue.

The Doctor can be argued to be a Sue, but not every Time Lord is one. The Master is too bug**** crazy, sociopathic, cruel, and has too much of a boner obsession for the Doctor, as well as being ultimately Rassilon's nancy *****. Rassilon of course, despite being far more powerful than the average Time Lord (Capable of killing Time Lords with a gesture, and undoing the reality warping shenanigans The Master inflicted on Earth with similar ease), escapes Sue territory by virtue of being a total assclown and due to Timothy Dalton.

Power doesn't make a Sue, portrayal does. If the Time Lords were portrayed as oh so perfect and righteous and awesome as a species, they would be Sues. They're portrayed more like a race of arrogant abominations, especially towards the end of the Time War (The Eternals whom I mentioned before are like this but more so).

Your argument is inherently flimsy and poorly constructed. You say dragons are not sues due to power by virtue of being big monsters, ignoring that they are often portrayed as being superior physically, magically, mentally, and on occasion, morally (This is the big one, races portrayed as generally morally superior than humanity tend towards Suedom). Yet you claim that any super powered humanoid race is automatically a Sue race? Um, why? To use the Time Lords, they are, if anything, morally worse than humanity. Hell, watch the series, and how the Doctor and the show portrays the humans as oh so special and brilliant and much better than the ugly alien races, if any race is a sue in Doctor Who, it is humanity.