Bane exists in a universe not occupied by superhumans, he doesn't need to do semi-impossible things. The fact that the jump in that prison is a problem for him only makes him believable.
Why should cap ever be on a level physically similar to Loki? Loki is a peer to Thor, who physically rivalled Hulk.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Bane exists in a universe not occupied by superhumans, he doesn't need to do semi-impossible things. The fact that the jump in that prison is a problem for him only makes him believable.Why should cap ever be on a level physically similar to Loki? Loki is a peer to [b]Thor
, who physically rivalled Hulk. [/B]
...A child did it.
Why shouldn't he be? The shit that went into the Hulk is very similar to the stuff that went into Cap(in the movies). Cap would never be able to beat them but killed instantly seems silly, particularly if they aren't being that series(Loki didn't want to kill Cap, he wanted him to kneel).
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Loki within the first few minutes of the film got what he wanted, kicked Shields collective arses, and then escaped after mind screwing an Avenger into serving him along with a bunch of other people. And it was pretty clear from his fight with Captain America that he was winning. Bane in the first few minutes kidnapped a guy from other guys we don't know nor do we have any incentive to care about.His plan was to blow up a city and die...for what? The ***** who fawked Batman and has the oddest daddy issues ever?
Except when he wasn't, which was a good 2/3 of the movie. Sure, by the end most of the Avengers got a chance to get a hit on him but that also means that this guy is capable of still going even after being beaten up by everyone except the Hulk. Bane broke the Bat...a good ten years after Batman was actually worth anything. And then Batman came back and kicked his arse before he was offed hilariously by Catwoman. As for bringing chaos to Gotham at a level that hadn't been seen since the Joker it's not that hard to do since Gotham was at peace. That and some pretty crap writing(thank you Confused Matthew for pointing something so hilariously stupid I can't believe I didn't notice). But his plan was ultimately self sabotaging so hey.
And yet the most memorable kills he has are of his own men.
Based on what Bane was about to do after she left I don't think he planned or intended to die himself, but it was crappy writing that killed him off, yeah. Nolan got complacent with the last film in many ways.
And that's how Talia has always been with her father.
Herp-a-derp-derp. Can't say I remember the good 2/3 of the movie where Loki wasn't getting his ass kicked by them, aside from when he temporarily had Hawkeye under his control and what you mentioned around the beginning. I'll give him that much at least.
Bane's kills at the football stadium were much more memorable than that. Only way it would've been more memorable is if he set off the bomb while the kid was still singing the national anthem.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yes, and Bane should have just blown Gotham up instead of trying to screw around with some vague concept of hope. And killed Batman.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Doesn't take much to kick SHIELD's arses. And yeah, Cap should have been nothing to Loki during that moment.Based on what Bane was about to do after she left I don't think he planned or intended to die himself, but it was crappy writing that killed him off, yeah. Nolan got complacent with the last film in many ways.
And that's how Talia has always been with her father.Herp-a-derp-derp. Can't say I remember the good 2/3 of the movie where Loki wasn't getting his ass kicked by them, aside from when he temporarily had Hawkeye under his control and what you mentioned around the beginning. I'll give him that much at least.
Bane's kills at the football stadium were much more memorable than that. Only way it would've been more memorable is if he set off the bomb while the kid was still singing the national anthem.
He wanted them and Bruce to be around long enough to realize and feel that they had no hope before the city went kablooie. To break their spirits and shit.
Loki on one occasion did it by himself and on the other used few men with good planning. Saying that it's easy when we've seen what Shield deals with is amusing. And in that case he almost killed Thor after tolling him. And not dealing with the Cap thing since it's pretty clear Loki wasn't going for the kill.
I took it that he was just mad at Batman for boning that sweet ass. And that may be so but in the movie it comes off as pretty dumb.
Hawkeye was under his control for 2/3 of the movie and while Loki was certainly captured and some characters like Black Widow and Phil got hits in Loki ultimately wrecked their aircraft pretty easily.
Taking out the aircraft>killing football players.
Which is pointless since a) Ra's Al Ghul didn't bother with that so how exactly this is fulfilling his work is beyond me, b) it gives them the opportunity to actually do something about their predicament, and c) it relies on a lot of bad writing.
Edit: Before it goes any further I'd like to cut off any "You dun like Batman" arguments that may arise(in general, not from anyone in specific). I liked the Batman movies and while I liked Rises the least I would hesitate to call it bad. This isn't Avengers vs DKR as movies(which Scream tried to make it like a loser uhuh).
You argued that the movie got by largely based on it's comedic value. While true to an extent it has no bearing over the argument of who the superior villain was. You might counter that my bringing up the picture also has no bearing but it shows a kinder side to Loki(it looks just like him so I call deleted scene awesome).
Originally posted by AuraAngelIt did get by largely on its comedic value, which goes a long way toward showing who the superior villain in fact was. Bane. Loki *should* have been better, he just wasn't.
You argued that the movie got by largely based on it's comedic value. While true to an extent it has no bearing over the argument of who the superior villain was. You might counter that my bringing up the picture also has no bearing but it shows a kinder side to Loki(it looks just like him so I call deleted scene awesome).
I typed my response to that last reply that was made to me earlier, but not sure I wanna post it now since we're never gonna agree on the whole Bane vs Loki thing anyway.
And I wasn't gonna bring up the whole you not liking Batman thing again Aura, as that'd be redundant at this point, and since you said before you liked the Nolan movies at least it'd be irrelevant in this case too. 😛 I'm no quanchi when it comes to Bane nor am I a BruceSkywalker when it comes to Nolan/Batman in general, but I just don't think Bane deserves as much of the crap that he's gotten aside from his death which was terrible. I don't hate Loki either. Loved him in the Thor movie in fact, but was utterly disappointed in how the Avengers film made him more comic relief than anything else.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The actions of the villain set the tone of the movie.
His actions set the plot in motion. His actions start a war. His actions wreck a city. Hell, Loki SUCCEEDS in his plan. He gets the army there. They just weren't able to beat the good guys. Granted, he wouldn't have gotten Earth anyway since lolThanos but hey. Because he cracks a few jokes and gets beat up in the third act he's a terrible villain?
Originally posted by CosmicCometLoki was a great villain in Thor.
Loki was probably the most non-threatening main villain in a movie since, forever.I don't think any of the audience, especially those who saw Thor before hand, thought of him as anything other than a flukey weasel who happened to be immortal.
Afterall, he got owned by Thor, who ended up being the Butt Monkey in the Avengers movie.
He was more complicated than I expected, a threat, and also sympathetic.
He was a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain in the Avengers, the equivelant of ****ing Skeletor from the old He-Man. A cackling buffoon who makes a good effort, but is ultimately the butt of far too many punchlines to be nearly an effective villain.
Bane suffered a worse fate than Loki- he got made into a henchman, which invalided every single thing he did in the entire movie except for "breaking the bat", and he didn't even do that. He took a Batman who had donned the cowl for the first in 8 years, dislocated his back, and locked him in a jail-cell that had cable television in it. And then later Batman beats his ass into a pulp via sloppy haymakers, and he gets one-shotted in mid-sentence by the film's damsel-in-distress.
That's basically the extent of Bane's personal feats, that and executing random hapless business men.
If you consider the caliber of superheros Loki ended up fighting, compared to just Batman and some idiot-ball possessing cops, his defeat wasn't nearly as preposterous.
Prove Bane worked for Talia, and that she was the mastermind.
Bane was running all the field-work, making all the plans happen, and at one notable point he shows some intelligence and diverts from what Talia wants, implying he is not, in fact, just her pedophilic henchman.
Caliber of superheroes? He fought a few dumb bricks who solve problems with RAWR SMASH, and unlike Bane didn't have a weakness that had to be exploited. They just beat his ass.
Originally posted by NemeBroI don't need to, fewl. The fact that:
Prove Bane worked for Talia, and that she was the mastermind.
Bane was running all the field-work, making all the plans happen,You can't prove that he did all of this himself, instead of merely acting on her behalf, is what ruins his character. Talia's entire existence within the movie casts doubt on Bane's achievements, because it's never stated nor even implied, anywhere, that their schemes and ploys were a result of his creative genius or hers. That's the problem. The same can not be said of Loki, in so far as whether or not he came up with any of his schemes himself. We're never shown Thanos and his bros coddling Loki's head on his lap, like's he a dog, after he gets beat down. There is no backstory that outright states that Loki is basically Thanos' personal bodyguard and is in love with him- which is what we got immediately after Bruce left Bane in a puddle of his own juices.
Caliber of superheroes? He fought a few dumb bricks who solve problems with RAWR SMASH, and unlike Bane didn't have a weakness that had to be exploited. They just beat his ass. [/B]Hurrr wut? The Avengers team consists of Tony Stark, who's shown a far greater intelligence in his two movies than Bruce Wayne's three, and Banner, who did likewise. Get out of here with that shit yo. They at least had to come up with a plan and improvise shit. Bruce's entire role within the movie can be summarised as: Get lead to Bane by Catwoman, get ass beat. Go to jail. Rocky montage. Come back to Gotham, throw haymakers at Bane's face, he wins. Zero detective work. Zero improvisation. Zero utilization of any of the skills that Batman is supposed to possess.