Classic Juggernaut vs World War Hulk

Originally posted by KingD19
At the same time, Juggernaut was weaker than on average. As it was pointed out several times that Cyttorak was pissed at Cain and was standardly leeching his power or not giving him as much as he could.

At WWH levels, Hulk isn't getting through that forcefield.

Both men could win this, imo.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
but if this fight went on long enough, he could indeed succeed in completely dismantling his armour and thus, able to fook him up

Even if Hulk completely destroyed all of Cain's armor it still would not mean he could hurt Cain himself. His durability does not come from his outer wear

Originally posted by Stoic
We saw what would happen if the two met during the Hulk's visit of the X Men. The Hulk displayed more strength during his visit than he did as War IMO. I'm convinced of it because Cain was unable to plow him through any stretch, but only budge him a few inches. Cain would be in for it, and I mean, the Hulk would turn him into a rubber wrecking ball.

Inevitably this is just a stalemate.

He was not using his "unstoppable momentum" against Hulk at that time. The writer confirms this. Also he had a running start against War Hulk iirc which means he was already charging forward. In WWH he was stading and trading blows with Hulk before they grappled therefore he didn't have momentum in the first place

Juggs had the upper hand for more of the fight imo.

Originally posted by juggerman
Even if Hulk completely destroyed all of Cain's armor it still would not mean he could hurt Cain himself. His durability does not come from his outer wear

He was not using his "unstoppable momentum" against Hulk at that time. The writer confirms this. Also he had a running start against War Hulk iirc which means he was already charging forward. In WWH he was stading and trading blows with Hulk before they grappled therefore he didn't have momentum in the first place

Citation?

Originally posted by Stoic
Citation?

Can't help you with that at the moment sorry. But if you simply look at the fight you'd see Juggernaut and Hulk trading blows and not Juggernaut running. Then you see them "grappling". The argument could be made that Cain was pushing sure but he wasn't going fast. It's been shown he can be slowed by physical force. Hulk even said he couldn't stop him.

[even if his durability does not come from his armor it still amps his durability exponentially so without his armor, the hulks power by then would be able to over come his high endurance with ease

Originally posted by juggerman
Can't help you with that at the moment sorry. But if you simply look at the fight you'd see Juggernaut and Hulk trading blows and not Juggernaut running. Then you see them "grappling". The argument could be made that Cain was pushing sure but he wasn't going fast. It's been shown he can be slowed by physical force. Hulk even said he couldn't stop him.

The Hulk said that he couldn't stop him? I took what he said as he was not there to stop him. Context dictates what it was, the Hulk was there for Chuck, not Cain. If the writer stated that Cain's momentum effect was turned off, I would never believe it, because this never happened, his powers are always on. He simply was unable to move WW Hulk like he did to War Hulk. It was also stated on panel that WW Hulk up until HOTM was the most powerful Hulk ever. As a matter of fact, WW Hulk and HOTM Hulk were the Hulk of the same era, and the same mindset. Now if the battle between Cain and the Hulk had been in the Dark Dimension, what I said earlier about this match up would be true. The Hulk would swat Cain around like a ball, but never be able to put him down for good. It would be a stalemate.

Furthermore, years ago on the same board, I stated that the implants did nothing for the Hulk that he could not do himself under his own power in terms of strength. HOTM and the end of WW Hulk proves this. The implants only allowed for the Hulk to focus his rage. WW Hulk was focused. This happened as a solid on panel foreshadowing during Planet Hulk. Bruce no longer needed time to ramp up to World Breaking levels.

His battle with the Skrull Black Bolt shows just how powerful WW Hulk was. Look at the devastation that their brief clash did to the Moon. BTW I'm not pissed, I'm just citing what happened on panel. This battle would be a stalemate.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Juggs had the upper hand for more of the fight imo.

Of course he would...it was his reintroduction. I wouldn't have wrote it any other way. He didn't do Skaar like that though and it was proven that Skaar was below WWH.

in all fairness, this could go either way, more likely juggy though if hes smart enough to end the fight quicker instead of annoying the hulk, ive said this countless times, the longer the battle goes on the likely the hulk will win

Black Bolt and Hulk fight did much more than cause a state wide damage to the moon...the fight was causing catastrophic damage towards the moon.

http://s287.photobucket.com/user/kingaholu/media/Hulk%20feats/NamorbelievesHulkisunstoppableinthisstate.jpg.html

Knocking out of orbit =/= catastrophic damage.

And how does this apply to Juggernaut?

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
in all fairness, this could go either way, more likely juggy though if hes smart enough to end the fight quicker instead of annoying the hulk, ive said this countless times, the longer the battle goes on the likely the hulk will win

Did you read Planet Hulk? The Hulk did not need time to ramp up. He could go from base to World Breaker in the same panel.

But this is WWH

Originally posted by -Pr-
Knocking out of orbit =/= catastrophic damage.

And how does this apply to Juggernaut?

Huh? What does that mean?

Originally posted by Stoic
Did you read Planet Hulk? The Hulk did not need time to ramp up. He could go from base to World Breaker in the same panel.

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? What does that mean?

Read the scan.

And btw, have you read up on Juggernaut yet, mister "he's only used it once"?

Originally posted by -Pr-
But this is WWH

So I just need to prove that WW Hulk was capable of destroying a planet? He was you know. Or you just want to limit him to what he did on panel up until he screamed for someone to stop him? That is still more power than Cain has ever shown on panel.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Read the scan.

And btw, have you read up on Juggernaut yet, mister "he's only used it once"?

I did and it states that the fight that was going on at the moon is what caused the tidal wave. That was Hulk and Black Bolt.

Yes, what other time did he use his shield minus his fight against Thor? I might forgot the other instance.