I'd like to think WWH could eventually hurt Juggs physically, but realistically I don't think it would happen.
On the other hand, as most people have said, I don't think he'd have a problem knocking Juggs into the ocean to get him out of the way, regardless of where he was on Earth.
On another note, sure Hulk has been shown bleeding in most of these fights...but when has it actually effected him? Sure Wolverine was slicing right through him, but did that even bother him? I think the artists are just taking more time to draw these fights, seeing as a majority of this arc is fighting.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Classic Juggernaut was no weakling. You assume he can't hurt Hulk when he can.And no, you don't understand the words, nor do you understand who Classic Juggernaut is. Cain was indestructible to physical harm.
It can be argued the Juggernaut can increase his strength as well.
but that's not the only time, the Hulk's demonstrated that kind of exponential rise in durability.
basically, 'classic' juggernaut cannot win even 1/10 against WWH. in every department, WWH is better by leagues. far far far faster and with a far greater intellect than juggernaut.
oh, and how does juggernaut's strength increase? what's your argument there?
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Sure Wolverine was slicing right through him, but did that even bother him?
Logan put the full weight of his body into an attack of Hulk and commented that he couldn't cut him, thats why he went for the eyes which didn't gain durability.
Which (since some people have been calling PIS against Hulk so constantly) is completely ridiculous since we've seen arrows bounce off Hulk's eyelids before:
http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/DURABILITY/Eyes-3AV75.jpg
Originally posted by janus77
basically, 'classic' juggernaut cannot win even 1/10 against WWH. in every department, WWH is better by leagues. far far far faster and with a far greater intellect than juggernaut.
He's not likely to win, but he ain't gonna lose either. I'd agree that this Hulk is stronger, has the better fighting abilities and moves faster, but invulnerable = invulnerable.
oh, and how does juggernaut's strength increase? what's your argument there?
You really don't wanna go there. It's gonna get hella ugly. Not to mention tiresome.
All this talk of Hulk being able to hurt Juggernaut and visa versa is moot, bottom line is Juggy has taken a God Blast, God Blast made Galactus think twice.
Without BFR this fight is just one big Stalemate, Hulk's Durablity increases with rage and his healing factor means he heals from any damage Jugg's does and Hulk just can't physically hurt Juggs.
With BFR its down to who thinks of it first and with how WWH's mind works he is much more battle savy than Cain and would throw him to the moon.
Thats how it goes down imo.
Originally posted by Hercules
All this talk of Hulk being able to hurt Juggernaut and visa versa is moot, bottom line is Juggy has taken a God Blast, God Blast made Galactus think twice.Without BFR this fight is just one big Stalemate, Hulk's Durablity increases with rage and his healing factor means he heals from any damage Jugg's does and Hulk just can't physically hurt Juggs.
With BFR its down to who thinks of it first and with how WWH's mind works he is much more battle savy than Cain and would throw him to the moon.
Thats how it goes down imo.
Since being tossed to the moon would hurt neither of them, I think it would be to the sun. Which would kill Hulk, but not the Juggernaut.
I think some people really overestimate Hulk's durability.
Spoiler:If Juggernaut kept on pounding he should be able to knock out Hulk for at least 10 seconds. The Hulk however, can't knock out Juggernaut, there is no way he can stop juggernaut. Tossing Juggernaut to the sun wouldn't kill him or knock him unconscious, it would kill Hulk.
The Thing was able to get in some punches and he's weaker than your classic juggernaut.
As Herc mentioned, Juggernaut has taken the godblast and has erected his shield while standing still. Unless the Hulk is able to use any magic weapon, Juggernaut wouldn't lose. It's possible for the Hulk to lose, it's not possible for the Juggernaut to lose.
Originally posted by llagrok
Since being tossed to the moon would hurt neither of them, I think it would be to the sun. Which would kill Hulk, but not the Juggernaut.I think some people really overestimate Hulk's durability.
Spoiler:If Juggernaut kept on pounding he should be able to knock out Hulk for at least 10 seconds. The Hulk however, can't knock out Juggernaut, there is no way he can stop juggernaut. Tossing Juggernaut to the sun wouldn't kill him or knock him unconscious, it would kill Hulk.
The Thing was able to get in some punches and he's weaker than your classic juggernaut.
Why are you so focused on the fight ending in a KO or kill?
Hulk can and will BFR him. Can won't. End of story. We've seen what happens to people Hulk can't kill.
Originally posted by llagrokHulk had just walked out of a nova flame and storms' lightning and on top of that only made hulk bleed,show me the scan where he was in pain,I can show you the scene where thing gets a free hit and all hulk says is "hmp" that doesnt sound painful to me.
Since being tossed to the moon would hurt neither of them, I think it would be to the sun. Which would kill Hulk, but not the Juggernaut.I think some people really overestimate Hulk's durability.
Spoiler:If Juggernaut kept on pounding he should be able to knock out Hulk for at least 10 seconds. The Hulk however, can't knock out Juggernaut, there is no way he can stop juggernaut. Tossing Juggernaut to the sun wouldn't kill him or knock him unconscious, it would kill Hulk.
The Thing was able to get in some punches and he's weaker than your classic juggernaut.As Herc mentioned, Juggernaut has taken the godblast and has erected his shield while standing still. Unless the Hulk is able to use any magic weapon, Juggernaut wouldn't lose. It's possible for the Hulk to lose, it's not possible for the Juggernaut to lose.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
How is Hulk gonna BFR him?
Grab. Throw. BRF.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Really? Did you know that Jean Gray, you know the powerful telepath, lifted Juggernaut into the air and then Juggernaut WILLED himself to move forward, actually walking on air, defying Jeans telepathy?
Good thing Cain is an idiot. Good thing he's pretty much never used that power any other time too.
Originally posted by llagrok
Since being tossed to the moon would hurt neither of them, I think it would be to the sun. Which would kill Hulk, but not the Juggernaut.I think some people really overestimate Hulk's durability.
Spoiler:If Juggernaut kept on pounding he should be able to knock out Hulk for at least 10 seconds. The Hulk however, can't knock out Juggernaut, there is no way he can stop juggernaut. Tossing Juggernaut to the sun wouldn't kill him or knock him unconscious, it would kill Hulk.
The Thing was able to get in some punches and he's weaker than your classic juggernaut.As Herc mentioned, Juggernaut has taken the godblast and has erected his shield while standing still. Unless the Hulk is able to use any magic weapon, Juggernaut wouldn't lose. It's possible for the Hulk to lose, it's not possible for the Juggernaut to lose.
Well if its BFR, then the moon is as good as the sun since all he needs to do is remove him from the battlefield not damage him.
Really? Did you know that Jean Gray, you know the powerful telepath, lifted Juggernaut into the air and then Juggernaut WILLED himself to move forward, actually walking on air, defying Jeans telepathy?
Well it was TK not TP and yes he did but Onslaught also BFR'd him to another country so its not like its not possible to BFR Juggernaut.
Originally posted by janus77
no, after a couple of minutes, nothing the juggernaut can do will hurt Hulk, look at what happened with BB. a whisper threw Hulk a distance, but when he came back he had already become exponentially more durable and BB's scream wasn't even enough to move him.basically, 'classic' juggernaut cannot win even 1/10 against WWH. in every department, WWH is better by leagues. far far far faster and with a far greater intellect than juggernaut.
oh, and how does juggernaut's strength increase? what's your argument there?
No, Wolverine was always able to cut him throughout the fight. Others were able injure him. Not once has he taken an attack so far and come out uninjured, in WWH. And Classic Juggernaut is far stronger than practically all that have attacked him.
The only way Hulk can win is BFR against Classic Juggs.
In their first fight, Juggs commented on his strength increasing.
One could also argue that on the 8th day he increased his strength through focus, something he hasn't done before. This was a result of the mind control. It mentions in that story that that is the way Juggernaut should have been. But he activated the gem early and artillery fire destroyed the system that was to kick start the 8th day event. So Cain walked the earth awhile with the power, and somewhat got used to it.
There is also a mention that his power grew due to him having extreme hate for someone or something.
Then of course you have the editors note about the limitless power of Cyttorak he can draw upon. But Cain is ignorant in the use of his powers.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Current Juggy made WWH bleed. I wonder what classic Juggy could do?
Also the Thing was getting in some great hits as well. So your wrong, Juggs will be able to hurt him, whether it will have a lasting effect is another question.
Originally posted by janus77
Onslaught also ripped him up and beat the snot out of juggernaut. so if Onslaught can bfr him (and of course, anyone with Hulk level strength can bfr juggernaut) then he can hurt him, physically ...
One problem, when Onslaught ripped the gem out of Juggernaut's chest, Cain was severly weakened from his time in another dimension that drained his powers. (All New Exiles). So he returned home to a welcoming step-brother.
Hulk being hurt and giving hurt are pretty different, though. Notice how he was affected by Thing's blows, but was about to kill him after one hit.
He also fought the Thing after going head to head with everyone ever. He has godly stamina and a healing factor, but I still think he'd do better in a direct fight with one person, even if it is classic Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
No, Wolverine was always able to cut him throughout the fight. Others were able injure him. Not once has he taken an attack so far and come out uninjured, in WWH. And Classic Juggernaut is far stronger than practically all that have attacked him.The only way Hulk can win is BFR against Classic Juggs.
In their first fight, Juggs commented on his strength increasing.
One could also argue that on the 8th day he increased his strength through focus, something he hasn't done before. This was a result of the mind control. It mentions in that story that that is the way Juggernaut should have been. But he activated the gem early and artillery fire destroyed the system that was to kick start the 8th day event. So Cain walked the earth awhile with the power, and somewhat got used to it.
There is also a mention that his power grew due to him having extreme hate for someone or something.
Then of course you have the editors note about the limitless power of Cyttorak he can draw upon. But Cain is ignorant in the use of his powers.
Also the Thing was getting in some great hits as well. So your wrong, Juggs will be able to hurt him, whether it will have a lasting effect is another question.
One problem, when Onslaught ripped the gem out of Juggernaut's chest, Cain was severly weakened from his time in another dimension that drained his powers. (All New Exiles). So he returned home to a welcoming step-brother.
