pfft you go in to a country and cause chaos then 5 years later because things dont go your way its fuk it lets go home lads. Pathetic. If America pulls out of Iraq any time soon its just evidence to how fuked up your leaders are. Wouldnt come as a surprise considering its been done once before but to pull out of a country in the middle of a civil war that they caused its just beyond words.
Then again, maybe a civil war will be better in the long run, depending how it turns out? Though wrong for (America) going in like it did, I love how people conveniently forget what kind of a dictator Saddam was. They were ****ed under Saddam, they're ****ed now and they'll probably be ****ed in the near future.
Oh, the U.K. government was behind America going in, so not sure it just our leaders...
Originally posted by MageeSo what's your solution? Do you think their presence is helping things? Did you agree with your leaders pulling out?
pfft you go in to a country and cause chaos then 5 years later because things dont go your way its fuk it lets go home lads. Pathetic. If America pulls out of Iraq any time soon its just evidence to how fuked up your leaders are. Wouldnt come as a surprise considering its been done once before but to pull out of a country in the middle of a civil war that they caused its just beyond words.
Originally posted by inimalist
after the soviet invasion of afghanistan there was a power struggle within the country. Years of wars followed. The winner of this war was eventually a very hard line group known as the Taliban, and the rest was history. The reason the Taliban won, aside from some lucky victories against the former soviet enclaves where they were able to comendere some good technology, was their willingness to be the most ruthless and brutal. To impose rules that people will be unwilling to break out of fear. afaik, the Taliban are the only government to effectively curb the sale of marijuana from their country, by boiling those who smoked it alive or having them beat publicly.
What exactly is your point here ? I am not discussing Afghanistan, I am discussing Iraq. Our search for Bin Ladin in Afghanistan was justified, our invasion of Iraq, and the bombing of innocent civilians as well as the destruction of historical monuments was NOT.
Originally posted by inimalist
America is directly responsable for creating a situation in Iraq where there is no longer any centralized authority. The institutions that provide a decent standard live for people are destroyed and all of those educated or wealthy enough to have left are already gone. Investment into the country is down, and investors are targets for the insurgents.
Why were we in Iraq in the First Place ?
We overthrew an evil dictator..good, but there are plenty more evil dictators all over the world. Why did we never overthrow them?
China tortures thier own people, and animals as well. Why don't we overthrow the chinese government? What about Korea ? What about the African genocides that have been occuring for decades ?
Cuz they have no oil...that's basically what it comes down to. To help those people serves us in no way. To invade Iraq and Iran, and take away thier valued resources serves the government's financial agenda.
War is Business. It always has been. This is not a War for freedom. This was an invasion.
Originally posted by inimalist
Many people, for some reason, think that as soon as Americans leave, people are going to go back to sipping tea in some market square and that the ethnic problems that required a genocidal tyrant to surpress prior will subside. However, we have a population of individuals who are now have no autonomy in their life, no direction, no ability to rise above the problems that they experience on a daily basis. While the American invasion may have caused those problems, it is almost irrelevant to the discussion now, unless you want to talk about who these disenfranchised youth will be angry at.
What do you imagine we can possibly do for the Iraqi culture that would not take atleast 20 years ?
Do you honestly beleive that we can solve all thier problems in 5 years ? Be realistic...they have been living their lifestyles for centuries. They are not going to just "civilize" or "westernize" in a short period of time.
The agenda to create an American like society in Iraq and Iran may take a century if we are lucky.
Originally posted by inimalist
Afghanistan was never occupied by America prior to 9-11. Terrorism is not caused by American military involvement in the region.
What does this have to do with Iraq and Iran ?
Originally posted by inimalist
1) again, this is with regards to why America went to war in the first place and does not effectively paint a picture of the conflict as it now exists.
But why are we in Iraq ? Why is Iran next ?
Soon its gonna be Pakistan, India ...I can see it now ..." People of America..It's just been discovered that Pakistan and Bangladesh are harboring weapons of mass destruction, and have been providing safe havens for Terrorists. We must stop all nations who support terrorism"
Meanwhile, United States has been one of the greatest of terrorists to other nations. We have committed genocides as well, we have bombed many nations and people throughout history. We have supported Blood Diamond industries, as well as child labor.
WHAT THE **** makes US so much greater ????
Originally posted by inimalist
2) would it have been?
Would the world be better off without the Chinese, Korean, Russian, and African leaders as well ?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliWHAT THE **** makes US so much greater ????
Because your bigger and have more weapons.
In the schoolyard of the word the US is the Hulking 15 year old in leathers with a flick-knife while Iraq is the stuttering nerd whom everyone knows is gonna snap and tear someones throat out with his teeth.
Re: Obama: Genocide isn't that big of a deal
Originally posted by Grimm22
Apparently, Democratic Presidential Candidate Barrack Obama may have taken this whole political honesty thing a bit too far.Senator Obama told a crowd that U.S. Military Forces Staying in Iraq in order to prevent a violent outbreak throughout the country and even possible Genocide is not a good enough reason to stay.
But you have to give the guy credit he's basically admitting to what Republicans have been saying about Democrat's stance on Iraq all this time.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QGF5700&show_article=1&image=large
Is it just me or is all of this a bit hypocritical? I mean the entire reason that the war hasn't gone in our favor is because it is being run by politicians not military leaders. And now we have another politician trying to do the same thing.
Well I guess that does it...he can kiss winning the election goodbye.
(Like he had a chance anyways...)
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I suppose that makes the UK and Australia the class whores who gave it up to the US at 14...
And Mexico is the creepy, drunk janitor.
Originally posted by CreshoskI have no solution, its not my place to think of one. The bottom line is they started all of this regardless of what good they did they can't just pack up and leave the country to get on with a war they started. The UK shouldn't have been there in the first place so yea I do agree with it, this is Americas idiotic war its just Blair didn't have the balls to say no to Bush. The only thing that matters is that they threw Iraq in to chaos and now they are talking about leaving, them being there will do more good for the country than if they leave.
So what's your solution? Do you think their presence is helping things? Did you agree with your leaders pulling out?
Re: Re: Re: Obama: Genocide isn't that big of a deal
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Being a black guy, I doubt most of the United States was ready to elect him. That's how stupid most of us up here are.
imho obama is just another cookie cutter presidential candidate who really doesnt show the leadership characteristics we need. imho the only one fit for the job is edwards, but yes, people are stupid and the democrats likely wont want to nominate a white male....imagine that, huh?
Originally posted by Grimm22
I twisted words?!? 🤨I'm just posting what OBAMA said. Don't blame me just because you don't want to believe it 😐
he never even hinted to the idea that genocide is no big deal. you took a legit topic for discussion and dumbed it down to a level of idiocy hovering somewhere between foxnews and rush limbaugh
Originally posted by Schecter
he never even hinted to the idea that genocide is no big deal. you took a legit topic for discussion and dumbed it down to a level of idiocy hovering somewhere between foxnews and rush limbaugh
That essentially what he is saying in my opinion 😐
If you ignore genocide that's basicly what you are saying.
So of course it pisses me off immensely that the UN and even the US have ignored genocide in the world (Especially Africa) as long as it has.