Night Terror vs. Akuma, Bison, and Sagat

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats easy to explain.

Every time Inferno pulled someone into the CR, he was incomplete or was plagued by Plot Device.

The first time, when it pulled Siegfried into the CR an used Cervante's body to create Inferno, it had alreay lost half of it's power. because of this power escrepancy, an the fact that it was using a dead host, Inferno lost, and the larger of the two swords was taken by Siegfried, this is what led him to become Nightmare and triggered the Evil Seed.

The Second Time Inferno appeared, whas during the battle with Kilik, Xianghua and Maxi. Kilik and Xianghua where both armed with weapoins dewsigned speciffically to destroy the Soul Edge... Including Soul Calibur. Not to mention that soul Edge was still incomplete at this point. However, Inferno did a one up on the Trio, by Absorbing Soul Calibur before dissapearing. So Inferno lost via Plot Device.

Now, I'm not sure if Inferno ever canonically appeared in Soul Calibur 2, or if it was just Nightmare being defeated. The story says thatit was Raphael, then Siegfried that eventually sealed both swords in the soul Embrace. Raphael was in the middle of a vicious struggle with the then complete Nightmare (Still using Siegfried as a host) was about to slay Raphael, but just as he was about to make the Deathblow, Siegfried's mind woke up and struggled with the will of the Sword, this caused Nightmare to freeze in mid-motion, giving Raphael the chance to strike, and he landed a piercing blow into the Swords Eye, this freed both Siegfried and Soul Calibur from Soul Edge's grasp, then Siegfried used Soul Calibur on soul Ege, causing the Soul Embrace.

Now, out of the two confirmed times that the CR, both are attributed to either Plot conveniance, or Plot Device, since neither time was SoulEdge at full power, and the last time, Soul Ege had to fight against plot Devices...

Does this answer your question V2D?

I'm not putting up with a few insignificant fools. I think I'll just let them assume things while being stupid at the same time.

DZ is the one who assumes CR does anything.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, it disturbed me so much I think I shit blood.

I'll post it off-topic, be warned though. . .it's really funny.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You answered my question on why Inferno wasn't invincible, yes, but you still have yet to provide proof CR makes you invincible at all.

Well, with only one unconfirmed battle to Night Terror's profile, I can only guage what he's capable off based on what the Soul Edge has one previously.

it is a fact that Night Terror is now more powerful than even the Complete Soul Edge is on it's own (That is all of Soul Edge's scattered peices, but not combined with Soul Calibur.)

My basis for NT's near invincibility inside the CR, is that every time someone was drawn into the place, the SE's powers where vastly increased compared to the outside world.

Now, lets compound this with the fact that NT effectively broke Zasalamel's cycle of Reincarnation, basically killing an immortal, and you have a power level that is, or at the very least borders omnipotency, since there is no other logical way to take away someone else's immortality.

If you have a better explanation, I'd love to hear it.

And as for the SGS argument thats cropped up... It will work outside the CR, but if they are already in there, I am not so sure it will work.

And thats not to say that they could even get close enough to land it, remember, NT has every bit as much range, he is deceptively fast for his size, and may physically be more uber to all exept perhaps for Akuma.

What I am dying to know, is whether or not the SGS would disable Night Terror if Akuma managed to take NT to the Neatherrealm. Are these demons powerful enough to kill anyone or what? Someone kindly tell me.

Gen whooped the demons' asses by himself. Want to know how?

IT'S GEN SON!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Well, with only one unconfirmed battle to Night Terror's profile, I can only guage what he's capable off based on what the Soul Edge has one previously.

it is a fact that Night Terror is now more powerful than even the Complete Soul Edge is on it's own (That is all of Soul Edge's scattered peices, but not combined with Soul Calibur.)

My basis for NT's near invincibility inside the CR, is that every time someone was drawn into the place, the SE's powers where vastly increased compared to the outside world.

Now, lets compound this with the fact that NT effectively broke Zasalamel's cycle of Reincarnation, basically killing an immortal, and you have a power level that is, or at the very least borders omnipotency, since there is no other logical way to take away someone else's immortality.

If you have a better explanation, I'd love to hear it.

And as for the SGS argument thats cropped up... It will work outside the CR, but if they are already in there, I am not so sure it will work.

And thats not to say that they could even get close enough to land it, remember, NT has every bit as much range, he is deceptively fast for his size, and may physically be more uber to all exept perhaps for Akuma.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
What I am dying to know, is whether or not the SGS would disable Night Terror if Akuma managed to take NT to the Neatherrealm. Are these demons powerful enough to kill anyone or what? Someone kindly tell me.

Gen saw them.

Gen was never caught in the SGS.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Gen was never caught in the SGS.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Gen was never caught in the SGS.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yes he was, he resisted by removing all negative emotions or some shit, which NT won't be able to do.

I mean he wasn't caught by the force of the attack.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Gen doesn't need to be. He waltzed right down to hell and asked for Akuma's friends by name. He promptly handed them an ass whoopin'.

What's up with you and Gen?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
That's nice but really some of it is wrong. Everytime someone is brought into CR it was for the sole purpose of fighting Inferno, as Inferno did not exist physically anywhere else, as he's a soul. Maybe SE's power was not amplified, maybe Inferno was just stronger than Cervantes/NM. Omnipotence, or even borderline, would put him on or maybe above Darkstalkers level, no one wants to think that. NT has good range, and is fast for his size, but Akuma is more so and he is very physically strong as well.

Like I said, if you have a better explanation, then please, lets see it.

So, we have to downplay NT to match what people want? that doesn't sound right....

Anyways, I never said NT wins outsie of the CR, inside of it... it's a horriblecurbstomp, but in the Real World? I'd say he downs Sagat and Bison before finally falling to Akuma.

Oh and Xeno, the SGS would work very wellon NT, as long as it's not done within the CR.

Soul Edge is a very evil weapon, with a very evil soul, Demons, and Hell itself would anihilate it, thats the SGS's power.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Like I said, if you have a better explanation, then please, lets see it.

So, we have to downplay NT to match what people want? that doesn't sound right....

Anyways, I never said NT wins outsie of the CR, inside of it... it's a horriblecurbstomp, but in the Real World? I'd say he downs Sagat and Bison before finally falling to Akuma.

Oh and Xeno, the SGS would work very wellon NT, as long as it's not done within the CR.

Soul Edge is a very evil weapon, with a very evil soul, Demons, and Hell itself would anihilate it, thats the SGS's power.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I did give a better explanation, SE isn't stronger in CR, Inferno is the wielder so the fight is harder, as he is the soul of SE and thus should be more powerful with it's use. I still don't see proof CR does anything, but I agree with your SGS stuff.

Thats not a better explanation.

Your forgetting that the CR is WITHIN Soul Edge, why wouldn't it be any stronger inside it's own realm?

2, Inferno still uses hosts inside the CR, thats why Inferno looked different each time it appeared.

Proof? I gave you proof, the Zasalamel thing, and the fact that even though Inferno was on the ropes, it still managed to take Soul Calibur from Xianghua before it dissapeared.

What more can you possibly want?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats not a better explanation.

Your forgetting that the CR is WITHIN Soul Edge, why wouldn't it be any stronger inside it's own realm?

2, Inferno still uses hosts inside the CR, thats why Inferno looked different each time it appeared.

Proof? I gave you proof, the Zasalamel thing, and the fact that even though Inferno was on the ropes, it still managed to take Soul Calibur from Xianghua before it dissapeared.

What more can you possibly want?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yeah, it really is. Why would it be stronger in it's own realm? When you fight Inferno, it's not a host, it's his soul. The Zas thing is a sketchy argument at best and is still based on speculation, and maybe Inferno took SC with him because you know, Xianghua is weaker than him? After all, she needed Kiliks help to fight it.

The question is, "why wouldn't it be?"

I've already explained that it's power createdit, andit'spower maintains it, with subtle manipulations of it's power,it canrastically change the workings of the CR to it's will. Just like any other imensional creator...

As for your Inferno argument, you'd better have something more concrete than that, you made Xiang look like a schoolgirl who had no right holding Soul Calibur at all, despite training with it for years.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The question is, "why wouldn't it be?"

I've already explained that it's power createdit, andit'spower maintains it, with subtle manipulations of it's power,it canrastically change the workings of the CR to it's will. Just like any other imensional creator...

As for your Inferno argument, you'd better have something more concrete than that, you made Xiang look like a schoolgirl who had no right holding Soul Calibur at all, despite training with it for years.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Why would it?

Don't avoid my question V2D, I gave you my explanation as to why it works, you simply claimed that "It is how it is" completely disreguarding the fact that Soul Edge is more powerful insie it, as demonstrated by Nightmare's increase strength when battling Raphael.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Everything you said is based on speculations. Just because he created it does not give him full control over it, as realistically if it did, SC should be no match for it in CR.

Based on Speculations? No it's not, Soul edge's power creates the CR, Why would it not hate full control over it's own power and whatever that power creates? Answer me this question directly V2D.

And remember one very important fact, that the Chaos Realm exists INSIDE Soul Edge. The moment you can P;rove that Soul Edge cannot control it's own internal poweris the very moment you have a case.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I never said Xiang was weak, only weaker than Inferno, which is nuthin to be ashamed of, if she was stronger then Kilik wouldn't have been needed to fight with her.

Inferno cannot simply pluch Soul Calibur from her hands V2D, it was a very long and difficult battle, and only at the very end did she faulter and lost the sword... But none of the Trio was defeated.

And remember, Kilik and Maxi where there, Kilik was equipped with Deparva Yuga and Kali Yuga, two other items designed to fight Soul Edge. inferno was already weakene by the loss of over half of it's power, and had to fight 3 plot devices and it still wasn't destroyed.

I can easily claim thatsoul Ege woul have been vanquished in the real world based on the fact that Nightmare had already fallen, and the sword was helpless... Dare to compare?