No really, I'd like to see these 3 try to defeat Night Terror in his own realm.
Also if I'm not mistaken, NT's realm is not only the Chaos realm but the Chaos - Spiritual realm, as he is the manifestation of the completed Soul Edge and Soul Calibur, hence the world "spiritual".
If so, there's no plot device that can be used to take down NT. If it was just the Chaos Realm than Soul Calibur could be used against Inferno, but there's no weapon that could be used when fighting Night Terror, as shown in the Tales of Souls mode.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero1. There is no proof SE is more powerful in CR, it only exists to allow Inferno to fight people. And btw, NM didn't fight Raphael in CR.
Don't avoid my question V2D, I gave you my explanation as to why it works, you simply claimed that "It is how it is" completely disreguarding the fact that Soul Edge is more powerful insie it, as demonstrated by Nightmare's increase strength when battling Raphael.Based on Speculations? No it's not, Soul edge's power creates the CR, Why would it not hate full control over it's own power and whatever that power creates? Answer me this question directly V2D.
And remember one very important fact, that the Chaos Realm exists INSIDE Soul Edge. The moment you can P;rove that Soul Edge cannot control it's own internal poweris the very moment you have a case.
Inferno cannot simply pluch Soul Calibur from her hands V2D, it was a very long and difficult battle, and only at the very end did she faulter and lost the sword... But none of the Trio was defeated.
And remember, Kilik and Maxi where there, Kilik was equipped with Deparva Yuga and Kali Yuga, two other items designed to fight Soul Edge. inferno was already weakene by the loss of over half of it's power, and had to fight 3 plot devices and it still wasn't destroyed.
I can easily claim thatsoul Ege woul have been vanquished in the real world based on the fact that Nightmare had already fallen, and the sword was helpless... Dare to compare?
2.Just because SE created it, does not mean he has full control of it or any at all. If he indeed did have full control of it, he should have been able to blink SC from existence reguardless of how weakened he was, as full control of CR would mean he was omnipotent inside it, which he's nowhere near. Oh, and the moment you prove that because CR is inside SE means it has full control over it you have a case.
3. I never claimed it was an easy battle, only that Inferno is stronger than each of the individuals there and was able to steal SE at the end of the fight after already losing. Also, I thot only Xiang and Kilik participated in the battle? And it's true they had plot devices, but they needed them as from what I can tell compared to the more powerful characters of the series(NM, Cervantes, Inferno, NT, or Zasalamel) they are relatively weak.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. There is no proof SE is more powerful in CR, it only exists to allow Inferno to fight people. And btw, NM didn't fight Raphael in CR.
I have already proven it, wether you accept it or not is of no consequence to me.
but you want something thats a little easier to understand? Well, allow me to enighten you.
Nightmare's ening in SC3 has him transform into Night Terror, where he anihilates 3 people, yet he oesn't do it instantly or ecisively as he di with zasalamel, that alone isproof enough of the power ifference that CR provides.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2.Just because SE created it, does not mean he has full control of it or any at all. If he indeed did have full control of it, he should have been able to blink SC from existence reguardless of how weakened he was, as full control of CR would mean he was omnipotent inside it, which he's nowhere near. Oh, and the moment you prove that because CR is inside SE means it has full control over it you have a case.
Like I said, Inferno is not anywhere near omnipotent in CR as NT is, simply because during both times that Inferno appeared, more than half of it's power was lost, this power ifferensial is directly reflected within CR, as the less amount of it's power it posesses, the less control it has over it's realm. This is very simple logic.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
3. I never claimed it was an easy battle, only that Inferno is stronger than each of the individuals there and was able to steal SE at the end of the fight after already losing. Also, I thot only Xiang and Kilik participated in the battle? And it's true they had plot devices, but they needed them as from what I can tell compared to the more powerful characters of the series(NM, Cervantes, Inferno, NT, or Zasalamel) they are relatively weak.
Maxi was there also, and youcouldn't ask for better plot devices, or a better time to strike, as Inferno was even less than at half power.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero1.No, you have not proven it. NM's ending in SC3 did have him transorm into NT, but we didn't even see the transformation take place, so it could have been the same, minus the CR as he didn't need it to fight such weak opponents.
I have already proven it, wether you accept it or not is of no consequence to me.but you want something thats a little easier to understand? Well, allow me to enighten you.
Nightmare's ening in SC3 has him transform into Night Terror, where he anihilates 3 people, yet he oesn't do it instantly or ecisively as he di with zasalamel, that alone isproof enough of the power ifference that CR provides.
Like I said, Inferno is not anywhere near omnipotent in CR as NT is, simply because during both times that Inferno appeared, more than half of it's power was lost, this power ifferensial is directly reflected within CR, as the less amount of it's power it posesses, the less control it has over it's realm. This is very simple logic.
Maxi was there also, and youcouldn't ask for better plot devices, or a better time to strike, as Inferno was even less than at half power.
2.That would be simple logic, but you have yet to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that NT is omnipotent in CR.
3. I agree, I said they needed those plot devices because storyline wise, they are nowhere near top tier. I'll take your word that Maxi participated in the fight.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1.No, you have not proven it. NM's ending in SC3 did have him transorm into NT, but we didn't even see the transformation take place, so it could have been the same, minus the CR as he didn't need it to fight such weak opponents.
Now who's speculating?
And prove that they where weak...... Unnamed characters arn't always weaklings dude...
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2.That would be simple logic, but you have yet to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that NT is omnipotent in CR.
I said near omnipotent for starters, and I don't nessisarily need to convince you, just present the facts of the case, which I did.
Wether or not you choose to accept it as such is entirely your problem.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
3. I agree, I said they needed those plot devices because storyline wise, they are nowhere near top tier. I'll take your word that Maxi participated in the fight.
Then why argue this point?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero1. I'm not really speculating, he did not go into CR, fact. And you're right they may not be totally weak but thing is NM on his own killed them all in one strike each, so yeah, they seem weak.
Now who's speculating?And prove that they where weak...... Unnamed characters arn't always weaklings dude...
I said near omnipotent for starters, and I don't nessisarily need to convince you, just present the facts of the case, which I did.
Wether or not you choose to accept it as such is entirely your problem.
Then why argue this point?
2.Not even near omnipotence. That'd put him on DS level, and we all know he's not. And it's not my problem as you're the one trying to prove it.
3. I didn't, you did. I only said they needed those plot devices cause without them they'd lose.