Odin (with reality gem), Onslaught, Apocalypse, and Korvac vs One Celestial

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
But did Ikaris even think about teleporting? He could have been trying to physically free himself from Apoc's bear hug. Anyway I believe Apoc stabbed him right away he got a hold of him, so he didn't have an moment to try teleporting....

Well this is the thing. Ikaris clearly didnt expect to get bear hugged, clearly if Apoc took all day to hug him Iakris would have freed himself, but I think Ikaris didnt because:

1. He was in pain.
2. It happened too fast.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

I think it's PIS. Because before this, he actually does resist Jean Grey and Cyclops' love bond...

There you go then.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
But did Ikaris even think about teleporting?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He could have been trying to physically free himself from Apoc's bear hug.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Anyway I believe Apoc stabbed him right away he got a hold of him, so he didn't have an moment to try teleporting....

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sort of my point... 😬Why bother when one has the ability to teleport.No he goes on a little spiel about The Twelve first.

He was obviously in pain and couldn't teleport, couldn't concentrate enough.
And it was fast, Apocalypse immediately made a hole through him.

the reality gem is not enough to fight a cosmic being, thanos needed all to combat these forces

and apoc would get cooked for acting in person against the celestials

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes Onslaught needed Franklin and Nates power to become more powerful than a Celestial. In this thread he just has Xaviers and Magnetos.

Then is also Onslaught a non factor here.
Still, Odin with gem and Korvac wil take a Celestial down.

Originally posted by Xplosive
He was obviously in pain and couldn't teleport, couldn't concentrate enough.
And it was fast, Apocalypse immediately made a hole through him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
He was obviously in pain and couldn't teleport, couldn't concentrate enough.
And it was fast, Apocalypse immediately made a hole through him.

Originally posted by Tyrant
It's a good thing he doesn't have... molecular control over his body, or something crazy like that... ermm

And this thread shows WHY I hate teh Filthy Muties.

Anyway team wins, Korvac jacks everyones power and then b*tchslaps the Celestial. Much like in his What-If.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's not particularly logical. You're somehow jumping from having the ability to read minds, or some other mild telepathy and also having strong psychic defenses (although again one should note that Apocalypse regards Jean's telepathy as a novelty - thus indicating he doesn't actually have telepathy at all in that feat), to somehow equating to being a formidable telepath.

Magneto has a strong mind, he has formidable psychic defenses and is a weak telepath.

Having formidable psychic defenses is one thing.
Having some telepathic ability is one thing.
One does not imply the level of the other.

All this coupled with the fact that Apocalypse has next to no telepathic feats, and certainly none that would put him at Xavier's level. Or even Jean's level. He has a psiblast. That's about it. Actually, no, that is it.

This:

doesn't make Emma Frost a telekinetic.
I gave the example to show that a relatively inferior telepath can harm a superior telepath with a psiblast, not because they are particularly strong - although Emma may be a good telepath she is nowhere near Nate - but because telepaths are not themselves immune to telepathy.

Because as noted above, having strong telepathic ability does not mean one necessarily has strong passive mental defense. No vice versa.
Sans Phoenix, Jean never really had any feats that would put her near Xavier that I recall. See above - you're making a massive leap. The Jean incident doesn't imply telepathic ability stronger than Jean (it in fact implies no telepathic abilities) just strong mental defenses.No that's a misconception propagated by some, the Inhumans were brainwashed, technologically iirc, they were not actively mind-controlled via telepathic means.

Well ok, well anyway there are scans of Apoc beating Jeans mind control and using Scott against her.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I gave reasoning as to why the I find Ikaris written as an idiot. I see no problem with Apocalypse being on Ikaris, the ordinary Eternal's level, he is in no way on par with a Prime Eternal though - my only problem with the Ikaris fight is that whenever it's brought up it's generally stated as Apocalypse besting the Prime Eternal. Also why do people write "Apocalypse has Celestial Tech," as if it's supposed to be some standalone argument.

Well anyway Ikaris said they have fought many times.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok, well anyway there are scans of Apoc beating Jeans mind control and using Scott against her.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well anyway Ikaris said they have fought many times.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which is again mental resistance... 😬

...yeah and the bit where he mind controlled Cyclops while resisting her at the same time. So its mind control AND mental resistance.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

And the only on panel fight has Ikaris forgetting most of his powers, and using the ones he did use stupidly or limitedly.

Which means that its badly written. Its not badly written because Apoc beat him it badly written because of how Apoc beat him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And the only on panel fight has Ikaris forgetting most of his powers, and using the ones he did use stupidly or limitedly.

Oh, and Apocalypse showed all his powers, right?

Has Apocalypse used all his power in all of his encounters?
Has he used all his powers against Loki or HE?

No, he hasn't.
Has he used all his powers in his recent in his last appearance in X-Men? No, far from it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well anyway Ikaris said they have fought many times.

xmarksthespot has always something against Apocalypse when he does something worth mentioning.

Originally posted by Alfheim
...yeah and the bit where he mind controlled Cyclops while resisting her at the same time. So its mind control AND mental resistance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Which means that its badly written. Its not badly written because Apoc beat him it badly written because of how Apoc beat him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
His essence is literally in Scott, using him as a host and cohabiting his mind. It's not mind control.

That sounds like a form of mind control, please elaborate. It seemed that Apôc was in two places at the same time.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

... I've been saying that. 😐

Ok.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Oh, and Apocalypse showed all his powers, right?

Has Apocalypse used all his power in all of his encounters?
Has he used all his powers against Loki or HE?

No, he hasn't.
Has he used all his powers in his recent in his last appearance in X-Men? No, far from it.

Apocalypse, has sporadic one-time feats akin to Emma hurling away someone with a teke bolt.

Originally posted by Xplosive
xmarksthespot has always something against Apocalypse when he does something worth mentioning.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That sounds like a form of mind control, please elaborate. It seemed that Apôc was in two places at the same time.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which scan are you referring to exactly? The ones that Evil_Ash posted on the previous page?

Yes.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes.