Steal, kill, and destroy: is this the devil's agenda?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible was translated into two senses: a permissive and causitive.

The permissive indicates that God will [B]permit something to happen to someone, whereas the causitive denotes that God will cause something to happen to someone.

God cannot lie, but He cannot permit someone to become deceived.

Adam did die. You just don't know how to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

There's two types of death: spiritual death and physical death.

Adam died spiritually first, and that set the stage for him to die physically. [/B]

Before I address your post, I want you to realize exactly what you said that made me say "No, that can't be right".

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God says the devil does exist.

God's track record for telling the truth is exceptional.

So I choose to believe God.

God's "track record for telling the truth" is an unexamined concept on your part, since God clearly lies and deceives people for his own gain, especially in the OT.

You telling me I don't know how to interpret the Bible written in King James bloody English (But you do, no doubt through your extensive metaphysical powers and/or mastery of the original copy of the Bible from ? AD) smacks of unwilling to discuss or debate the topic at hand.

You made an outstanding claim in defense of your position, which I questioned using scripture. If you want to really refute me (preferably using reason, which I assume is a novelty for you) try addressing the specifics I presented in a way that would convince someone other than yourself. Warning: This might actually require you stepping out of your comfort zone.

Preferably without doing the following:

1. Ignoring my points.
2. Using semantics to avoid them.
3. Saying I simply don't have the capacity to understand.
4. Saying that questioning the Bible as you believe it is wrong, unChristian, or heresy.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Before I address your post, I want you to realize exactly what you said that made me say "No, that can't be right".

God's "track record for telling the truth" is an unexamined concept on your part, since God clearly lies and deceives people for his own gain, especially in the OT.

You telling me I don't know how to interpret the Bible written in King James bloody English (But you do, no doubt through your extensive metaphysical powers and/or mastery of the original copy of the Bible from ? AD) smacks of unwilling to discuss or debate the topic at hand.

You made an outstanding claim in defense of your position, which I questioned using scripture. If you want to really refute me (preferably using reason, which I assume is a novelty for you) try addressing the specifics I presented in a way that would convince someone other than yourself. Warning: This might actually require you stepping out of your comfort zone.

Preferably without doing the following:

1. Ignoring my points.
2. Using semantics to avoid them.
3. Saying I simply don't have the capacity to understand.
4. Saying that questioning the Bible as you believe it is wrong, unChristian, or heresy.

God is not a man that He should lie.

God cannot lie.

It is impossible for God to lie.

Each one of these statements is found in the Bible.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is not a man that He should lie.

God cannot lie.

It is impossible for God to lie.

Each one of these statements is found in the Bible.

Wow! I didn't realize that God was so limited. Wait, that's a lie. I did know that your god was that limited. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wow! I didn't realize that God was so limited. Wait, that's a lie. I did know that your god was that limited. 😛

He's omnipotent, but he can't lie? Since when? I just pointed out three instances in the Bible when God lied. And I bet I could find more if I had the time and inclination. JIA, you should not "discuss" with anyone religion if your intent is to simply remain obstinate in your defense of one viewpoint of said religion.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
He's omnipotent, but he can't lie? Since when? I just pointed out three instances in the Bible when God lied. And I bet I could find more if I had the time and inclination. JIA, you should not "discuss" with anyone religion if your intent is to simply remain obstinate in your defense of one viewpoint of said religion.

I'm trying to tell you that you have not rightly divided the Word of Truth, that's why you wrongly believe that God lied.

I've already explained to you the fact concerning how the Old Testament was translated into a causative and permissive sense.

In addition, I explained to you that there are two types of death: spiritual and physical.

Both explanations thoroughly refuted your argument.

Are you an ordained minister? If not, then your interpretation of the bible is also wrong.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you an ordained minister? If not, then your interpretation of the bible is also wrong.

I will answer your question with a question.

Are you a Buddha?

Have you successfully followed the eight-fold path to full enlightenment?

If not, then you cannot educate me about Buddhism, or explain to me the Mystic Law of the Lotus Sutra.

(Disclaimer: Not that I believe in any Buddhist teachings because I don't.)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will answer your question with a question.

Are you a Buddha?

Have you successfully followed the eight-fold path to full enlightenment?

If not, then you cannot educate me about Buddhism, or explain to me the Mystic Law of the Lotus Sutra.

(Disclaimer: Not that I believe in any Buddhist teachings because I don't.)

Yes, I am a Buddha, and the eight-fold path was an expedient means that was done away with the one vehicle.

No, but steal, kill, destroy and conquer is your cult's agenda.

Originally posted by Dolos
No, but steal, kill, destroy and conquer is your cult's agenda.

🤨 Are you on drugs again?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, I am a Buddha, and the eight-fold path was an expedient means that was done away with the one vehicle.

You've meditated for at least 49 days like Siddhartha Gautama to attain enlightenment?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You've meditated for at least 49 days like Siddhartha Gautama to attain enlightenment?

Far longer then that! According to the Lotus Sutra, I have spent countless life times practicing the words of the Buddha.

Now you answer my question.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you on drugs again?

It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Far longer then that! According to the Lotus Sutra, I have spent countless life times practicing the words of the Buddha.

Now you answer my question.

So then you've ended suffering for yourself?

Then you should never get frustrated, right?

Is Satan out to steal, kill and destroy??

Hmm, I think every aspect of Christianity is out to do these things in the process of subjugating all of its new initiates.

When Rome embraced Monotheistic Christianity, their blazing torch of culture, art and power was extinguished. Christian values were completely contrary to Roman Pagan values. Romans and their Gods valued a bold and heroic life in the present. The Gods rewarded those who were particularly brave, beautiful or artistic. Christianity, with its focus on a meek and mild existence in exchange for a glorious afterlife was completely contrary to indigenous European values in general.

Up until Rome’s forced conversion in 395 A.D, Christianity was an insignificant cult, a fringe minority that many people never even heard of.

Yet once Rome converted, Christianity released a madhouse of horrors upon Rome. Ancient temples to other Gods were sacked and destroyed. Entire libraries of valuable knowledge and literature were burned to the ground. The tolerance that allowed Rome to rule over a vast and diverse empire was replaced by a zealous, single minded cult that destroyed all who didn’t subscribe to their ideology. Even other Christians were killed if they didn’t adhere to the “correct” version of Christianity.

Even if the strongest person swallows a poison, they become more vulnerable to the most mild of viruses. Once Rome embraced Christianity, it fell prey to barbarian invasion, splintering and eventual destruction.

The light of Rome was replaced by a millenia of darkness and ignorance. Western Europe became rampant with inquisitions, crusades, witch burnings and disease. It wasn’t until the church started to lose authority in Europe around the Renaissance that Western Europe began to get back onto its feet again. Coincidence? I think not.

Spiritually the world must once again learn how to tolerate different systems of belief that are aligned with the real principals of human nature (rather than attempting a system of morality only suitable for the dead).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then you've ended suffering for yourself?

Then you should never get frustrated, right?

I am asleep, just like you. While I am asleep, I dream the Saha world. While I am in the Saha world, I suffer. Only when I am awake do I not dream, and not suffer.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am asleep, just like you. While I am asleep, I dream the Saha world. While I am in the Saha world, I suffer. Only when I am awake do I not dream, and not suffer.

Did you just look that up?

I though you were an Awakened One, a Buddha.

What are you doing sleep?

You have followed the eight-fold path--and one vehicle--in vain.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did you just look that up?

I though you were an Awakened One, a Buddha.

What are you doing sleep?

You have followed the eight-fold path, and one vehicle in vain.

Buddhahood is without time. Once you have been enlightened, you are enlightened for all time. Sometime in the far future, I will gain enlightened. So, I am enlightened while I sleep, and while I am awake. You are the Buddha to my right. We both dream. Everyone is a Buddha that is asleep.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Buddhahood is without time. Once you have been enlightened, you are enlightened for all time. Sometime in the far future, I will gain enlightened. So, I am enlightened while I sleep, and while I am awake. You are the Buddha to my right. We both dream. Everyone is a Buddha that is asleep.

Siddhartha Gautama--The Buddha--realizes that he was deceived.

He's hoping you--and the rest of his followers--believe on/in Jesus Christ so that you do not die in your sins, and end up like him: in torments, suffering forever.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Siddhartha Gautama--The Buddha--realizes that he was deceived.

He's hoping you--and the rest of his followers--believe on/in Jesus Christ so that you do not die in your sins, and end up like him: in torments, suffering forever.