Cyclops VS Bishop

Originally posted by HandOfFate
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Sigh …this is what I like to call lazy editors, apparently nobody paying attention to previously written stories.

In Uncanny X-Men 304, Bishop damn near beat Magneto by absorbing the combined energy powers of Cyclops, Storm, Polaris, Havok, Jean and Jubilee.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=611

So apparently, Bishop was already at his limit when Cyke hit him with his optic blast.

Anyway, Bishop when written corretly wins 8 out of 10. 😉

Originally posted by norrinradd43
I think Scott takes this...he is underrated

He is

What can't Bishop absorb? Could he absorb power cosmic blasts from Silver Surfer?

the power cosmic would leave bishop a skleton if he was lucky

Originally posted by HandOfFate
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Sigh …this is what I like to call lazy editors, apparently nobody paying attention to previously written stories.

In Uncanny X-Men 304, Bishop damn near beat Magneto by absorbing the combined energy powers of Cyclops, Storm, Polaris, Havok, Jean and Jubilee.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=611

So apparently, Bishop was already at his limit when Cyke hit him with his optic blast.

Anyway, Bishop when written corretly wins 8 out of 10. 😉

* and when is Cyclops "correctly" written? read Bishop's profile, he can be overloaded by energy-based attacks...

* eventhough Cyke was not correctly written, it is implied always that his optic blasts is immeasurable... a fraction of that immeasurable power was manifested when he cracked Onslaught's armor and destroyed a Sentinel and the major part of the forest behind it... can Bishop absorb that? i really doubt it...

Originally posted by peejayd
* and when is Cyclops "correctly" written? read Bishop's profile, he can be overloaded by energy-based attacks...

True...but by people who are a hell of a lot more powerful then Cyke.

Originally posted by peejayd *
eventhough Cyke was not correctly written, it is implied always that his optic blasts is immeasurable...

Who told you that? It's not immeasurable. IIRC, Cyclops has run out of energy before. Check his history. AAMOF, check the latest issue of WWH X-Men #2, to see how powerful his immeasurable blast where against the Hulk.

Originally posted by peejayd
a fraction of that immeasurable power was manifested when he cracked Onslaught's armor

That was a cool feat but doesn't mean it was immeasurable energy.

Originally posted by peejayd
and destroyed a Sentinel and the major part of the forest behind it...

No disrespect to Cyke's fan but that wasn't really a great feat to me. IMHO, compared to the power levels of other X-Men, it wasn't that impressive at all. Think about it, you have a woman who can control the energy of millions of star, a man who can make mental contact with 8 billion minds, a man who can fight the Silver Surfer and a woman who can hold the entire universe in her hand. Those feats are impressive, not somebody leveling a couple blocks of forest.

Originally posted by peejayd
can Bishop absorb that? i really doubt it...

You need to check you Bishop info then.

Originally posted by peejayd
* and when is Cyclops "correctly" written? read Bishop's profile, he can be overloaded by energy-based attacks...

Bishop can handle anything Cyke throws his way. Find an example of Bishop being overloaded and I guarantee you it took more than little old Cyclops to take him down.

Originally posted by peejayd
* eventhough Cyke was not correctly written, it is implied always that his optic blasts is immeasurable... a fraction of that immeasurable power was manifested when he cracked Onslaught's armor and destroyed a Sentinel and the major part of the forest behind it... can Bishop absorb that? i really doubt it...

Immeasurable? Tribunal and Beyonder have immeasurable power. Cyclops' blast couldn't even come close to the power those guys could generate. So let's drop this "immeasurable" crap right now.

I think it's funny that everybody bitches that guys like Wolverine and Sabretooth are overpowered and cries PIS at any of their impressive feats, but Cyclops blows away Onslaught and takes out half a state and everybody just accepts it and hugs his nuts. Cyclops is not a god. His power has limits just like everybody else. And don't bother quoting Wikipedia at me. You probably wrote Cyke's bio on there anyway.

The fight goes down like this:

Cyke's blasts don't work on Bishop. Cyclops is immune to his own power, so Bishop isn't hurting him by shooting back with his absorbed energy. Bishop has a gun. Cyke doesn't. Deciding to give everybody who payed money for a ticket a show, Bishop drops his gun and hands Cyke his ass in hand-to-hand. Done and done.

Bishop takes the majority. Cyke can't hurt him directly with his powers. Hand-to-hand they're both good, but from what I've seen Bishop seems better and has the weight/reach advantage.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
True...but by people who are a hell of a lot more powerful then Cyke.

* he can, and he just did... in Civil War: X-men...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Who told you that? It's not immeasurable.

* i said it was "implied"...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
IIRC, Cyclops has run out of energy before. Check his history.

* he did run out of energy, and it was bad writing... consider reading Cyclops' ability, he constantly and passively absorbs solar energy... the only reason for him to run out of energy is if he'll exhaust his powers in the night... right?

Originally posted by HandOfFate
AAMOF, check the latest issue of WWH X-Men #2, to see how powerful his immeasurable blast where against the Hulk.

* sorry, that argument was kinda irrevelant because Bishop does not equal The Hulk... and furthermore, as i have heard, World War Hulk is currently the official strongest Marvel character, 'nuff said... have you read it? do you think it really was a full-powered blast? he was still wearing his visor, for goodness' sake...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
That was a cool feat but doesn't mean it was immeasurable energy.

* it was the implication...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
No disrespect to Cyke's fan but that wasn't really a great feat to me. IMHO, compared to the power levels of other X-Men, it wasn't that impressive at all. Think about it, you have a woman who can control the energy of millions of star, a man who can make mental contact with 8 billion minds, a man who can fight the Silver Surfer and a woman who can hold the entire universe in her hand. Those feats are impressive, not somebody leveling a couple blocks of forest.

* it was a great feat from a mere street-leveler...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
You need to check you Bishop info then.

* i just did...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Bishop can handle anything Cyke throws his way. Find an example of Bishop being overloaded and I guarantee you it took more than little old Cyclops to take him down.

* read Civil War😘-men... Cyclops just did that...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Immeasurable? Tribunal and Beyonder have immeasurable power. Cyclops' blast couldn't even come close to the power those guys could generate. So let's drop this "immeasurable" crap right now.

* i said, it was "implied"...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
I think it's funny that everybody bitches that guys like Wolverine and Sabretooth are overpowered and cries PIS at any of their impressive feats,

* aren't they?

Originally posted by Sabretooth
but Cyclops blows away Onslaught and takes out half a state and everybody just accepts it and hugs his nuts.

* that's because he can, not beyond his abilities...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Cyclops is not a god.

* of course... so as Wolverine and Sabretooth are not gods as well...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
His power has limits just like everybody else.

* just read his ability, it would be an uber-long time before Cyke exhausts his powers...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
And don't bother quoting Wikipedia at me.

* why? hate to face the facts?

Originally posted by Sabretooth
You probably wrote Cyke's bio on there anyway.

* nope, i did not... still, the evidences lie therein, and you can read the comic yourself if you have the copy...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
The fight goes down like this:

Cyke's blasts don't work on Bishop. Cyclops is immune to his own power, so Bishop isn't hurting him by shooting back with his absorbed energy. Bishop has a gun. Cyke doesn't. Deciding to give everybody who payed money for a ticket a show, Bishop drops his gun and hands Cyke his ass in hand-to-hand. Done and done.

* the readers are lucky you are not an X-men writer, or else you'd probably make Marvel bankrupt in a second...

* Cyclops is a master strategist and tactician, he is not as stupid as you want him to be... i heard someone posted, Cyclops is a freakin' surgeon with his optic blasts, which who he really is... if he cannot overload Bishop to defeat him, he'll obviously think of several other ways... remember, Cyclops is accurate and also has a spacial (or spatial) awareness ability... he can use his environment to his advantage, like blasting the ground or ceiling or wall to hit Bishop... there are plenty of options so long as he carefully distance himself from his opponent...

Cyclops overloads Bishop with little effort. Cyclops does not look fatigued at all, if he continued, he may have killed Bishop.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
True...but by people who are a hell of a lot more powerful then Cyke.

Who told you that? It's not immeasurable. IIRC, Cyclops has run out of energy before. Check his history. AAMOF, check the latest issue of WWH X-Men #2, to see how powerful his immeasurable blast where against the Hulk.

That was a cool feat but doesn't mean it was immeasurable energy.

No disrespect to Cyke's fan but that wasn't really a great feat to me. IMHO, compared to the power levels of other X-Men, it wasn't that impressive at all. Think about it, you have a woman who can control the energy of millions of star, a man who can make mental contact with 8 billion minds, a man who can fight the Silver Surfer and a woman who can hold the entire universe in her hand. Those feats are impressive, not somebody leveling a couple blocks of forest.

You need to check you Bishop info then.

in the issue where cyclops "overloads" bishop... the sentinel says it's supposed to take up to 7 seconds of power from cyclops... it was a single blast... this was a cyclops with his "limits" removed by emma...

afaik cyclops blast slowed down the hulk, not saying anything about stopping, but lets look at the wwh... a hulk that put down juggernaut in under a minute, ... a hulk that took out black bolt, or hulkbuster iron man... or even the combiend ff4 .. it actually slowed him down... what other things on panel so far how shown they could do that...

so.. yah... saying cyclops is couldn't stop the hulk... is not saying much.. noones stopped hulk yet so far...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
True...but by people who are a hell of a lot more powerful then Cyke.

Who told you that? It's not immeasurable. IIRC, Cyclops has run out of energy before. Check his history. AAMOF, check the latest issue of WWH X-Men #2, to see how powerful his immeasurable blast where against the Hulk.

That was a cool feat but doesn't mean it was immeasurable energy.

No disrespect to Cyke's fan but that wasn't really a great feat to me. IMHO, compared to the power levels of other X-Men, it wasn't that impressive at all. Think about it, you have a woman who can control the energy of millions of star, a man who can make mental contact with 8 billion minds, a man who can fight the Silver Surfer and a woman who can hold the entire universe in her hand. Those feats are impressive, not somebody leveling a couple blocks of forest.

You need to check you Bishop info then.

in the issue where cyclops "overloads" bishop... the sentinel says it's supposed to take up to 7 seconds of power from cyclops... it was a single blast... this was a cyclops with his "limits" removed by emma...

afaik cyclops blast slowed down the hulk, not saying anything about stopping, but lets look at the wwh... a hulk that put down juggernaut in under a minute, ... a hulk that took out black bolt, or hulkbuster iron man... or even the combiend ff4 .. it actually slowed him down... what other things on panel so far how shown they could do that...

so.. yah... saying cyclops is couldn't stop the hulk... is not saying much.. noones stopped hulk yet so far...

Originally posted by #1110
Cyclops overloads Bishop with little effort. Cyclops does not look fatigued at all, if he continued, he may have killed Bishop.

May have killed Bishop. 😕

Again, we have no idea what power level Bishop was already at during that encounter.

What's stopping Bishop from absorbing and redirecting the energy?

Originally posted by rotiart
afaik cyclops blast slowed down the hulk, not saying anything about stopping, but lets look at the wwh... a hulk that put down juggernaut in under a minute, ... a hulk that took out black bolt, or hulkbuster iron man... or even the combiend ff4 .. it actually slowed him down... what other things on panel so far how shown they could do that...

so.. yah... saying cyclops is couldn't stop the hulk... is not saying much.. noones stopped hulk yet so far...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
🙁

Sigh …this is what I like to call lazy editors, apparently nobody paying attention to previously written stories.

In Uncanny X-Men 304, Bishop damn near beat Magneto by absorbing the combined energy powers of Cyclops, Storm, Polaris, Havok, Jean and Jubilee.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=611

So apparently, Bishop was already at his limit when Cyke hit him with his optic blast.

Anyway, Bishop when written corretly wins 8 out of 10. 😉

Co-signed.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
May have killed Bishop. 😕

* yes, if Cyclops continued, he may have killed Bishop... Beast says Cyclops is hurting Bishop, what more if he continued?

* another thing, we all know Cyke's power is energy-based but it is still pure heatless concussive force... correct me if i'm wrong but a direct blast from Cyclops should blow Bishop very far away... Bishop sure can absorb energy, but can he withstand the force of the blast?

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Again, we have no idea what power level Bishop was already at during that encounter.

* same as Cyclops... we have no idea what power level Cyclops was in that encounter... however, from mr.rotiart: this was a cyclops with his "limits" removed by emma...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
What's stopping Bishop from absorbing and redirecting the energy?

* i don't know, but from the scan, it seems like Bishop was just trying to contain the energy Cyclops emits... Bishops NEEDS to redirect the energy, or else what? Cyclops will overload him...

Originally posted by HandOfFate
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Storm knocked him to another buildind with her winds

* this argument is irrelevant... just imagine a charging Hulk against the concussive force blast of Cyclops -> it is force against another force... then look at a charging Hulk against a powerful wind from Storm -> the wind did not oppose Hulk's force, but blew him away because of Hulk's weight and Earth's gravity... there's no parallelism... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, if Cyclops continued, he may have killed Bishop... Beast says Cyclops is hurting Bishop, what more if he continued?

You’re making a very big assumption when you say the blast may have killed him. There are too many variable at hand when you make a statement like that, especially seeing that we have no idea how much power Bishop possessed before the blast.

There a very good chance that the energy would have randomly shot forms Bishop's body, which he could have been trying to prevent.

Originally posted by peejayd
* another thing, we all know Cyke's power is energy-based but it is still pure heatless concussive force... correct me if i'm wrong but a direct blast from Cyclops should blow Bishop very far away... Bishop sure can absorb energy, but can he withstand the force of the blast?

Yes, Bishop can absorb force blast. AAMOF, he has taken Cyke’ optic blast before, so why should this be any different. Bishop can absorb both electro-magnetic and concussive/kinetic energy types.

Bishop absorb power from any energy source directed at him, allowing him to re-channel the energies as an amplified release or store it within his personal bio-energy reserves, where the energy acts to fuel his strength, endurance, and recuperative abilities to a degree or can be discharged as concussive force blasts; carries plasma blasters through which he can channel his personal energies.

Originally posted by peejayd
* same as Cyclops... we have no idea what power level Cyclops was in that encounter... however, from mr.rotiart: this was a cyclops with his "limits" removed by emma...

Do you really think that a full powered optic blast from Cyclops is greater then the combined energy power of Cyclops, Storm, Polaris, Havok, Jean and Jubilee?

Originally posted by peejayd
* i don't know, but from the scan, it seems like Bishop was just trying to contain the energy Cyclops emits... Bishops NEEDS to redirect the energy, or else what? Cyclops will overload him...

First of all, we have no idea if Cyke’s optic blast can overload Bishop. Also in a one-on-one fight it’s more then likely that Bishop would automatically release the energy direct towards him.

Originally posted by peejayd
* this argument is irrelevant... just imagine a charging Hulk against the concussive force blast of Cyclops -> it is force against another force... then look at a charging Hulk against a powerful wind from Storm -> the wind did not oppose Hulk's force, but blew him away because of Hulk's weight and Earth's gravity... there's no parallelism... 😉

Uh…what?

Bishop 4 the majority

Originally posted by #1110
Cyclops overloads Bishop with little effort. Cyclops does not look fatigued at all, if he continued, he may have killed Bishop.

In this scan, Cyke was being mind controlled to kill Bishop. That was a full power, sustained blast that He gave Bishop.

Bishop, then, releases the absorbed energy into the sky, but not before the blast took off an Omega Sentinal arm.

Bishop intensifies the energy he absorbs, sending it back as cuncussive force (his own energy) that is 10x's stronger than the initial force that gave him the charge.

Energy absorbtion also augments his strength and durabitlity

If he would have turned that energy on the X-men instead of shooting it up,

we would'nt be having this disscussion right now. 😉

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Yes, Bishop can absorb force blast. AAMOF, he has taken Cyke’ optic blast before, so why should this be any different. Bishop can absorb both electro-magnetic and concussive/kinetic energy types.

It has also been stated that Bishop can absorb, or has absorbed, Temperal energies. This was stated by Apoc. during the "12".

I think he also absorbed temperal energy when the X-Men fought Legion.

These mutli-title crossovers are usually pis tacular that ignore what was previously established. Like in the Onslaught saga, there's that whole thing with Juggernaut that Newjak posted sometime back. Clearly history was ignored for the sake of the plot.

I imagine to make the sentinals look more impressive they had to boost the amount of energy that would take them out.

And there's no telling how much can be absorbed if Bishop was constantly letting off what cyclops was feeding him. Part of what hurt's Bishop is him holding in the vasts amount of energy he absorbs.

Bishop could just bleed off all of cykes attacks neutrilizing the power either way you want to argue it.