welll from there last fight which was in civil war xmen issue number 3 or 4 i would say that the battle would be an advantage to cyke. am i right in thinking that he had trouble containing the power i seem to remember that he spontaiouslty released some energy which damanged one of the one sentinels? is this proof that bishop cant take it> then again both men did survive the incident
Originally posted by HandOfFate
You’re making a very big assumption when you say the blast may have killed him. There are too many variable at hand when you make a statement like that, especially seeing that we have no idea how much power Bishop possessed before the blast.There a very good chance that the energy would have randomly shot forms Bishop's body, which he could have been trying to prevent.
* so, saying that there is a very good chance that the energy would have randomly shot forms Bishop's body... it seems like there is a very good chance that Cyclops can overload Bishop...
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Yes, Bishop can absorb force blast. AAMOF, he has taken Cyke’ optic blast before, so why should this be any different. Bishop can absorb both electro-magnetic and concussive/kinetic energy types.Bishop absorb power from any energy source directed at him, allowing him to re-channel the energies as an amplified release or store it within his personal bio-energy reserves, where the energy acts to fuel his strength, endurance, and recuperative abilities to a degree or can be discharged as concussive force blasts; carries plasma blasters through which he can channel his personal energies.
* i know Bishop can absorb various forms of radiant, conductive and projected energies... i just don't know if it includes kinetic energy absorption like Strong Guy or Multiple Man have... it's just that "absorbing energy" is far different from "withstanding force"...
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Do you really think that a full powered optic blast from Cyclops is greater then the combined energy power of Cyclops, Storm, Polaris, Havok, Jean and Jubilee?
* there is also a big difference in "filling Bishop" with energies and "overloading Bishop"...
Originally posted by HandOfFate
First of all, we have no idea if Cyke’s optic blast can overload Bishop.
* if Cyke cannot overload Bishop, there's no reason for him to be hurt (see scan) and there's no reason for him to redirect/rechannel it... right?
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Also in a one-on-one fight it’s more then likely that Bishop would automatically release the energy direct towards him.
* in one-on-one fight, if Cyke cannot defeat Bishop by overloading him, he can think of many options to pin him down... Bishop may be a skilled marksman but Cyclops is for more accurate: he can hit anything he sees, plus the spacial (spatial) awareness ability... Bishop may be an excellent hand-to-hand fighter but Cyclops is a master strategist and tactician...
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Uh…what?
* my point is, that the wind did not oppose the force... the wind itself has its own power to knock off anything depending on the object's mass/weight... it is far different from force-versus-force... thus, there is no parallelism...
* i can safely say Cyclops wins slight majority at 6/10... 😉
* correct me if i'm wrong, as far as i know, Cyke is immuned to his own powers, has the ability to absorb solar energy... and he once endured Storm's lightning to absorb energy and emitted white optic blasts...
* in one-on-one fight, if Cyke cannot defeat Bishop by overloading him, he can think of many options to pin him down... Bishop may be a skilled marksman but Cyclops is for more accurate: he can hit anything he sees, plus the spacial (spatial) awareness ability... Bishop may be an excellent hand-to-hand fighter but Cyclops is a master strategist and tactician...
Originally posted by peejayd
* correct me if i'm wrong, as far as i know, Cyke is immuned to his own powers, has the ability to absorb solar energy... and he once endured Storm's lightning to absorb energy and emitted white optic blasts...* in one-on-one fight, if Cyke cannot defeat Bishop by overloading him, he can think of many options to pin him down... Bishop may be a skilled marksman but Cyclops is for more accurate: he can hit anything he sees, plus the spacial (spatial) awareness ability... Bishop may be an excellent hand-to-hand fighter but Cyclops is a master strategist and tactician...
I know I'm late to the thread, but a couple notes:
The Civil War fight between Scott and Bishop was borderline PIS.
As someone else pointed out before, Bishop absorbed power from Cyclops, Havok, JEAN (??), Polaris, Storm, and Jubilee Simultaneously, and this is AFTER he had absorbed enough power from an EXTREMELY Amped Magneto to send him flying through the walls of the xmansion and into a building.
There is NO way in hell that Civil War Cyclops > Cyclops, Havok, Storm, Amped Magneto, Jean, Jubilee, and Polaris.
You COULD say that "oh, this only happened once." Wrong. Bishop ALSO was the one who absorbed the blast from onslaught that would have killed both X teams, leading to his dystopian future. It's the whole freaking point of Bishop in the first place. The Xmen are only still alive because he was strong enough to stop a blast from Onslaught.
If you think Civil War Scott can kill Bishop in one shot when ONSLAUGHT couldn't, you should just quit KMC right now.
Third, Bishop had or has files and extensive data on all the xmen from his time in the future. He demonstrated this when he owned Wolverine in about 3 moves. I no longer own the issue, but his statement was something to the effect of "I know every move you can possibly make."
If he could beat down Wolverine that easily, things do NOT look good for Scott. Remember, Bishop was XSE and hunted mutants for a living.
Bishop takes this one for the majority.
Originally posted by Space M ummyThird, Bishop had or has files and extensive data on all the xmen from his time in the future. He demonstrated this when he owned Wolverine in about 3 moves. I no longer own the issue, but his statement was something to the effect of "I know every move you can possibly make."
If he could beat down Wolverine that easily, things do NOT look good for Scott. Remember, Bishop was XSE and hunted mutants for a living.
Bishop takes this one for the majority.
you may want to re read that issue.
Bishop did not own any thing. Bishop was going all out in a sparing match vs wolverine who was simply sparing.
Originally posted by peejayd
* correct me if i'm wrong, as far as i know, Cyke is immuned to his own powers, has the ability to absorb solar energy... and he once endured Storm's lightning to absorb energy and emitted white optic blasts...* in one-on-one fight, if Cyke cannot defeat Bishop by overloading him, he can think of many options to pin him down... Bishop may be a skilled marksman but Cyclops is for more accurate: he can hit anything he sees, plus the spacial (spatial) awareness ability... Bishop may be an excellent hand-to-hand fighter but Cyclops is a master strategist and tactician...
But Bishop is real durable too. Got knocked through a building by Cannonball and still survived. And marvel says that they have never revealed the upper limits of what he can absorb. He's supposed to be able to absorb the full affects of a small star.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
🙁Sigh …this is what I like to call lazy editors, apparently nobody paying attention to previously written stories.
In Uncanny X-Men 304, Bishop damn near beat Magneto by absorbing the combined energy powers of Cyclops, Storm, Polaris, Havok, Jean and Jubilee.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=611
So apparently, Bishop was already at his limit when Cyke hit him with his optic blast.
Anyway, Bishop when written corretly wins 8 out of 10. 😉
Originally posted by Aries_04
But Bishop is real durable too. Got knocked through a building by Cannonball and still survived. And marvel says that they have never revealed the upper limits of what he can absorb. He's supposed to be able to absorb the full affects of a small star.
Small star? He should be able to give the Surfer a fight then. well at least I think so 😕