Originally posted by Disappear
except for the fact that kingpin's a man of enough guile and ability to uncover loads of dirt to blackmail cops, judges and senators. why wouldn't he be able to get an accurate gauge on one of new york's most public superheroes?
eeeeexactly!
Originally posted by jinzin
Not unable, no one said he COULDN'T do it, just that he's not interested enough, because he's too buisy with well basically doing what you said right there.
Well no the reasons that Disappear gave are the exact reasons why he should know and be interested in Parker. Superheroes are his enemies it his business to know whats going on, if he doesnt take care of business hes a dead man. Its like a general not knowing about the enemy army. Illogical.
Originally posted by AlfheimUmm no, Kingpin blackmails and gets dirt to support and secure his business, since he's a business man... He doesn't need to keep tabs on superheroes to the t because thee's so damned many of them. Some of them sure, but DD, and classic Spidey he's already familiar with in h2h, he wouldn't think he needed to keep checking up on them, and thus wouldn't be aware of their uprades blah blah blah. It's illogical to assume that a man who's an overlord of a criminal underworld would know the ins and outs of all sorts of superheroes when there's thousands of them running around out there.
Well no the reasons that Disappear gave are the exact reasons why he should know and be interested in Parker. Superheroes are his enemies it his business to know whats going on, if he doesnt take care of business hes a dead man. Its like a general not knowing about the enemy army. Illogical.
Originally posted by jinzin
Umm no, Kingpin blackmails and gets dirt to support and secure his business, since he's a business man... He doesn't need to keep tabs on superheroes to the t because thee's so damned many of them. Some of them sure, but DD, and classic Spidey he's already familiar with in h2h, he wouldn't think he needed to keep checking up on them, and thus wouldn't be aware of their uprades blah blah blah. It's illogical to assume that a man who's an overlord of a criminal underworld would know the ins and outs of all sorts of superheroes when there's thousands of them running around out there.
That and when a good chunk of them don't even bother with the Kingpin anyway.
Originally posted by jinzin
Umm no, Kingpin blackmails and gets dirt to support and secure his business, since he's a business man... He doesn't need to keep tabs on superheroes to the t because thee's so damned many of them. Some of them sure, but DD, and classic Spidey he's already familiar with in h2h, he wouldn't think he needed to keep checking up on them, and thus wouldn't be aware of their uprades blah blah blah. It's illogical to assume that a man who's an overlord of a criminal underworld would know the ins and outs of all sorts of superheroes when there's thousands of them running around out there.
Wellll Batman does and you know why, because he doesnt trust other superheroes. Again like im saying the reason why Batman knows the ins and outs of other superheores is because he feels that he needs to. A truly ruthless calculated villain would keep tabs on heores constantly, just assuming because hes beaten him in the past seems sloppy.
In all fairness its not a bad point. If KP hadnt met Spiderman before he would need to be more warey but since he is famaliar its not illogical for him to think its the same old Spiderman. I think we both have good and legitimate points.
Originally posted by Sparkz
That and when a good chunk of them don't even bother with the Kingpin anyway.
Same with Batman but he keeps tabs on other heroes just in case.
Originally posted by jinzin
exactly
Not quite.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wellll Batman does and you know why, because he doesnt trust other superheroes. Again like im saying the reason why Batman knows the ins and outs of other superheores is because he feels that he needs to. A truly ruthless calculated villain would keep tabs on heores constantly, just assuming because hes beaten him in the past seems sloppy.Same with Batman but he keeps tabs on other heroes just in case.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wellll Batman does and you know why, because he doesnt trust other superheroes. Again like im saying the reason why Batman knows the ins and outs of other superheores is because he feels that he needs to. A truly ruthless calculated villain would keep tabs on heores constantly, just assuming because hes beaten him in the past seems sloppy.In all fairness its not a bad point. If KP hadnt met Spiderman before he would need to be more warey but since he is famaliar its not illogical for him to think its the same old Spiderman. I think we both have good and legitimate points.
Agreed, but I'd say Batmans a good deal different than Kingpin. He makes it his personal business to get involved with supers Kingpin's concerned with other affairs and personal gain.
Originally posted by jinzin
Agreed, but I'd say Batmans a good deal different than Kingpin. He makes it his personal business to get involved with supers Kingpin's concerned with other affairs and personal gain.
Ok thats true, but if I were the Kp I would keep tabs just in case because you never know. You remember acts of vengeance when a whole load of villains almost got killed by Loki, including KP (I think managed to sneak away)? If you survived something like that you would make it your business to keep tabs so you can deal with a situation like that again.
Every once in a while KP does get botherd by other superheroes and a sensible mastermind would keep tabs just in case something like that turns up.
Originally posted by jinzin
You're not Kingpin, and a once in a while annoyance isn't enough to register textbook insight like batman...
Of course im not but im trying to think like one. If you just barely escaped somebody like Loki, would you be complacent about it or would you be sensible and try and prepare yourself just in case it happened again?
Originally posted by jinzin
Even the heroes that have bothered Fisk, he's been able to weasle his way to safety or go about his merry way regardless..
Ok thats a good point.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Of course im not but im trying to think like one. If you just barely escaped somebody like Loki, would you be complacent about it or would you be sensible and try and prepare yourself just in case it happened again?
Again, not a normal occurance, it's like if your house was hit by a tornado once, so you spdend the rest of your life studying tornados and tornado patterns IN CASE it MIGHT happen again.. Fisk is too buisy to concern himself with something so trifle.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again, not a normal occurance, it's like if your house was hit by a tornado once, so you spdend the rest of your life studying tornados and tornado patterns IN CASE it MIGHT happen again.. Fisk is too buisy to concern himself with something so trifle.
Well if you live in a world were torandoes are common place then yeah you would. Im pretty sure thats not the only close shave hes had, but thats the best one I can remember. Anyway you obvoulsy do have a godo point. I just think a sensible KP would keep tabs just in case.....I would.
Yes KP could prepare for such an occurence but he's gonna have a threshold for one thing, what would KP actualy come up with to fight off Loki exactly?
I'm sure he wouldn't prepare for a fight with Thor because well Thor probaly dsnt care about KP, but he would prepare for street levelers because thats who his buisness mainly effects. But at the same time KP may be smart but he has always been a bit arrogant.
Originally posted by Sparkz
I really doubt he would have the time to learn magic and gain enough skil to be a threat to someone like Loki
Well at any rate hes rich and powerful. Hell Cain Marko got the cyttorak stone from just adaventuring im pretty sure with his resources and reasearch he could find some powerful artifact.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well at any rate hes rich and powerful. Hell Cain Marko got the cyttorak stone from just adaventuring im pretty sure with his resources and reasearch he could find some powerful artifact.
Perhaps he could, but perhaps he couldnt aswell, there may not be any more powerful artifacts left...
Originally posted by Sparkz
Perhaps he could, but perhaps he couldnt aswell, there may not be any more powerful artifacts left...
What in the Marvel Universe? Theres bound to be something....there always is. Then theres hi tech stuff as well, hell he dosnt even need to make it he could probably strong arm some sceintists into building him some stuff