Originally posted by SpunkySmurphThe chapter that this one came from involved a ghost... so when you said that it'd haunt me... 😂 well that alone reminds me of it.
I can see you, desperatley whipping up a new sig. sly
I just thought it was funny that they mention the Colonel Sanders effect.. it just seemed so random.
Originally posted by jinzin😆
Match what? Beating kingpin? pffft.... Wolverine's too buisy taking down he blob and namor to waist 3 seconds stabbing a fat guy like kingpin. 😬
Taking down Namor is bullshit know. He shouldn't last two seconds, the guy knocks around Hulk. When fanboys realise that the world will be a better place.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Your points are all valid about Cap, but the difference in sheer physical stats between him and Spidey is so vast that anyone who thinks Cap should win has their head so far up his flag-waving behind, that they can't smell anything but apple pie, patriotism, and ass. It would be a good fight (like KP/Spidey should be), and there's no doubt that Cap's a lot more skilled, but Pete should once again win.
That sounds like a huge bowl of steaming hypocrisy to me; I don't quite follow your logic here.
From what I can gather:
You think that it's fine that Kingpin beats on Spidey in their fights since that's the way it's always been, and/or because Fisk is a brawler.
Yet here you have Captain America, another character who has come out on top of Spidey in a "that's the way it's always been" kind of fasion and who is a living weapon; one of, if not THE best hand to hand fighter on earth 616.
But, It's okay for Kingpin to do good against Spidey but not Cap because of the difference of statistical physicality between the Spidey and Cap? 🤨
What stats does Fisk have physically that puts him in any better position to fight Spiderman than Cap does?
His fat?
I mean seriously;
Can Kingpin move fast enough to dodge bullets and lazers like Cap can? Can he move fast enough to vanish in front of peaople's faces?
Can he "see faster" like Steve too?
Does he have Caps acrobatic agility?
An indestructible weapon?
Cap's fighting experience and versatility?
Can he strategize a fight anywhere near the capacity that Steve can?
He's strong but how strong? What's his best feat of sheer strength?
And if all this defense of Kingpin comes soley from how well Fisk has done with Spidey then again, wtf? Cap's ALWAYS done well with Spidey. 😬
In their first encounter Spidey wasn't fast enough to land an offensive shot on Steve. Hell, the issue before that, Cap's student in the Falcon was puttin a whoopin on Spidey's face in h2h, he just didn't have the stopping power behind his shots to really effect Spidey.
In their second encounter, the Spider-bot admitted he couldn't take Steve in a h2h fight.
Third, Steve came up on Spidey so fast that Pete was beside himself, then Parker once again got owned with a right hook knocking him on his ass, the narration even describing that Cap had dealt with more daunting opponents than Spider-Man, Spidey seeing stars while planted on the ground.
Fourth, Spidey had the iron-suit, Caps shield, camoflauge, AND a cheap shot WITH THE DAMNED SHIELD and he still couldn't get the job done; Steve had him airborne with one punch.
Fifth, well we all know how that fight went, "He's already hit me three times, I haven't hit him once".
If it's due to Fisk's feat over Cap,
I'm inclined to say that ONE LONE encounter between Fisk and Cap isn't enough to discredit Cap to be under him (Wasn't it implied that cap was a bit taken by surprise from Fisk?) at any facet or degree whatsoever, but if it's to be taken into consideration for how well Fisk would fair with Cap, then you can't just discard the feats that Cap has shown with Spidey.
In a rematch where Cap knew what he was dealing with I doubt Fisk would fair anywhere NEAR as well.
I mean Cap didn't even TRY to use his sheild offensively.
Do I even need to start rattling off the names of characters Cap's put down that Pin wouldn't stand the first chance against?
Hell, Cap got surprise-attacked by a techno enhanced Hobgoblin AND lady Dock Ock and he creamed both of them. Both Parker AND Ben Reily had problems with Lady Ock ALONE.
Sorry but there's no good reason to jusitfy that Cap absolutely can't beat Spidey in a fight when all evidence points to otherwise. And Fisk doing well over Cap once means nothing in the Cap vs Spidey debate if he was also stomping on Spidey for YEARS.
What you said: Hilarious, but less than justified. 😐
Originally posted by Jack Harkness
😆Taking down Namor is bullshit know. He shouldn't last two seconds, the guy knocks around Hulk. When fanboys realise that the world will be a better place.
Do you have anyother reasoning the back that up besides "he fights hulk" considering that's Wolverine's variable day job?
Originally posted by DigiMark007Sorry but I have to. 😈
Anyway, let's not make this Spidey vs. Cap. I left the vs. forum for a reason, and don't really care if anyone agrees with me anymore about such things. I just hate when character traits are ignored for the sake of a story, or vice versa.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Problem is that Cap is...1 Ton? 2 if we're generous?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Spidey's at least 7x stronger. That's like a professional athlete vs. a 15-year-old girl, to put it in perspective.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Then yeah, durability and speed. And again, the speed difference is fairly considerable.
Again, the only questions that need be answered here are thus:
Is Spiderman's durability too much for Cap to affect?
Is Spiderman's speed too much for Cap to deal with in a fight?
The answer to both of THESE questions is no.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also add in Spidey's pre-cog.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And his webs. And now his stingers.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Since when?
Cap has skill, but in the scheme of things that becomes kinda small....
Originally posted by jinzinWhich shouldn't be. Seriously this guy is slower, weaker and not as good as Spidey. The only thing Wolvy has is claws and it does shit to Hulk, hell he heals from them so fast you never notice a cut. (Apart from the time Hulk was tearing him and Wolvy retracted his claws and cut Hulks hands, that was pure brilliance)
Do you have anyother reasoning the back that up besides "he fights hulk" considering that's Wolverine's variable day job?
Namor can fly, is faster than Wolvy, stronger and ca take some claws and get back up. Not only that but he can fly, Wolvy needs a lucky shot to beat him, nothing else can touch him.
I miss old Logan, he pwned. 🙁
Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Which shouldn't be. Seriously this guy is slower, weaker and not as good as Spidey. The only thing Wolvy has is claws and it does shit to Hulk, hell he heals from them so fast you never notice a cut. (Apart from the time Hulk was tearing him and Wolvy retracted his claws and cut Hulks hands, that was pure brilliance)
Originally posted by Jack HarknessSo what? how does that help him to win a fight?
Namor can fly,
Originally posted by Jack Harkness
is faster than Wolvy,
No he isn't.
Originally posted by Jack HarknessAgain so what? His strength only matters so much, since between Logan's healing factor and adamntium skeleton he can often take more brute punishment than most bricks can.
stronger
Originally posted by Jack Harknessdepends where Logan hits him, depends if Logan lets him.
and ca take some claws and get back up.
Originally posted by Jack HarknessCleary he doesn't since he's hit Namor EVEY TIME they have fought.
Not only that but he can fly, Wolvy needs a lucky shot to beat him, nothing else can touch him.
I didn't know this was the Cap/Wolverine vs. Spidey thread....
Seriously, I understand if some of you disagree with what Spidey fans are saying...but...it IS a cool feat, and that's all this thread was meant to be. Stroking a new cool feat.
Arguing whether Cap or Logan can beat Spiderman belongs in their respective versus threads. 😬.
Originally posted by SoljerYeah it kind of deteriorated into that, but I have no problems stroking this feat.. Hell, look at my first post on pag two of this thread.. I thought this was a great presentation of the character.. not only feat wise but story wise, it was cool imo.
I didn't know this was the Cap/Wolverine vs. Spidey thread....Seriously, I understand if some of you disagree with what Spidey fans are saying...but...it IS a cool feat, and that's all this thread was meant to be. Stroking a new cool feat.
Arguing whether Cap or Logan can beat Spiderman belongs in their respective versus threads. 😬.
Originally posted by SoljerI'd blame Jack Harkness's trolling. He's the first one who even mentioned wolverine, which was not needed.
I didn't know this was the Cap/Wolverine vs. Spidey thread....Seriously, I understand if some of you disagree with what Spidey fans are saying...but...it IS a cool feat, and that's all this thread was meant to be. Stroking a new cool feat.
Arguing whether Cap or Logan can beat Spiderman belongs in their respective versus threads. 😬.
Yeah, wtf. Keep it to the vs. forum, because this is already in the respect thread so I'd have no problem closing this thread. I dropped my little spat with Alfheim (which was more about respecting KP's character than anything having to do with Cap/Logan), only to have my words brought back up again as if it was a vs. thread.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, wtf. Keep it ta tha vs with the gangsta shit that keeps ya hangin. forum, coz this is already in tha respect thread so I'd hizzy no problem clos'n this thread to increase tha peace. I dropped mah shawty spizzat wit Alfheim (which was more `bout respect'n KP's hustla than gang bangin' messin' ta do wit Cap/Logan), only ta have mah words brought bizzack up again as if it was a vs yaba daba dizzle. thread so jus' chill.
Teh Digi has spoken!
Originally posted by Grimm22That or the Wolverine fans simply read other threads not related to Wolverine. And I'm not sure how you're "bombarded by them." Only Jinzin who is not really a fanboy responded.
Wolverine fanboys must be magicly linked to his name or somthing.Speak his name 3 times and you'll be bombarded with them
Tell me, what was the point in even mentioning him in a thread with this really cool Spiderman feat in the manner that he was, if not to try and troll?