Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Indeed. The one in WW3 did seem rather... mimic-ish for lack of a better word.
Originally posted by quanchi112
does it prove all u need is knite to beat supes. cuz thats what he says to batman. thats all u need.
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What the hell are you laughing at? When Batman engaged him with the k-nite ring, he got f*ckin' owned for his troubles.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Superman can do any of BA feats...but BA cant duplicate Supermans.
This is pretty much truth.
This whole thread is stupid, since it seems no one made the effort to read the first post.
It's not sundipped Superman, it's sun amped Superman from S/B.
I'm guessing the threadstarter couldn't tell, but the S/B Darky fight took place on the surface of the sun.
These pics from OWAW have no bearing, since he named the specific showing which will be the food for the debate.
And i maintain, that unless the entire fight takes place in front of the sun, Teth has the edge.
Yes, he had his face melted by MM, but he also had ran through two countries and committed what amounts to genocide on a national level, not to mention fighting the superpowered beings of these nations.
Tell me if Superman ran through Apok, and then got bumrushed by the heroes of what's an entire planet, MM hv probably wouldn't do significant damage?
He ran through 3 GLs, and Alan Scott, and took down multiple high powered brutes.
And MM crippled him, but through a psychic attack which would kill Superman, as emo as he's known to be.
Superman running through the JLA in sacrifice isn't the same, since he had the element of surprise and actually planned out the move and had people who cared about him in his corner.
Heroes don't like Teth, if you weren't aware.
And if you wanna bring up the KOTW arc, Orion met him head on and acquited himself decently, vs a sun amped Superman, since he'd been throwing nukes into the sun.
KOTW where Superman was being held down by WW, Flash, J'onn and..............................................Batman?
This thread has been a circle jerk of kryptonian proportions, which could've been avoided if people READ THE OPENING POST!
WW3 = Adam with a powerup, vs Superman with a powerup.
It's not cut and dried in eithers favor.
And until Superman flatout outperforms Teth or Billy in a direct comparison, they're virtual equals in my mind.
"virtual equals"?
Where are BA strength feats...has he been one of three that moved a planet? has he used his heat vision to write on the moon? or create blining paterns,has he used his hands to stop a black hole? these are a tiny tiny tiny fraction of feats from superman...hey it might not be fair but its superman,lifting,flying heat vision,cold breath,speedblitz's-while using more than one power at a time, T-VO-where are the people screaming T-VO for the win?
In fights with characters that is clearly a plot induced/story driven romp by BA,where are his flying feats,other power feats,towing feats strength feats,lifting feats...i have a long history with BA..i will admit he is not my favorite character but other than fights...what are his feats that make him equal to superman...i hear alot about ABC logic and this is reminding me of that
Originally posted by starlock
"virtual equals"?Where are BA strength feats...has he been one of three that moved a planet? has he used his heat vision to write on the moon? or create blining paterns,has he used his hands to stop a black hole? these are a tiny tiny tiny fraction of feats from superman...hey it might not be fair but its superman,lifting,flying heat vision,cold breath,speedblitz's-while using more than one power at a time, T-VO-where are the people screaming T-VO for the win?
In fights with characters that is clearly a plot induced/story driven romp by BA,where are his flying feats,other power feats,towing feats strength feats,lifting feats...i have a long history with BA..i will admit he is not my favorite character but other than fights...what are his feats that make him equal to superman...i hear alot about ABC logic and this is reminding me of that
Feats are nice additions that pad out a resume.
The actual meat of the ranking, is how the characters stack up in direct comparison.
DD has no strength feats that put him beyond Wonderwoman, aside from beating Superman to death.
Wonderman crumpled towed a planet with help, a huge feat by any measure. She also once supported an enormous asteroid.
But you'll never see me claiming that Wonderwoman is stronger than DD, because in a direct comparison, DD killed Superman and she didn't.
Wonderwoman with all her strength feats, didn't stack up to DD in direct comparison.
That's what counts, not the feat/ pissing contests you seek.
Cuz if that was the case, Surfer would be far beyond many in either company, but we know in direct comparison that doesn't hold up.
Adam has never looked weaker than Superman in direct confrontation.
Captain Marvel has never looked weaker than Superman in a direct comparison.
It doesn't matter if Superman towed a solidified galaxy in Action comics.
When he fought Cap/Teth in The Crisis on the Mount, he said they were matched in strength.
Feats are for awe, direct confrontations are for the win.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Feats are nice additions that pad out a resume.The actual meat of the ranking, is how the characters stack up in direct comparison.
DD has no strength feats that put him beyond Wonderwoman, aside from beating Superman to death.
Wonderman crumpled towed a planet with help, a huge feat by any measure. She also once supported an enormous asteroid.
But you'll never see me claiming that Wonderwoman is stronger than DD, because in a direct comparison, DD killed Superman and she didn't.
Wonderwoman with all her strength feats, didn't stack up to DD in direct comparison.
That's what counts, not the feat/ pissing contests you seek.
Cuz if that was the case, Surfer would be far beyond many in either company, but we know in direct comparison that doesn't hold up.
Adam has never looked weaker than Superman in direct confrontation.
Captain Marvel has never looked weaker than Superman in a direct comparison.
It doesn't matter if Superman towed a solidified galaxy in Action comics.
When he fought Cap/Teth in The Crisis on the Mount, he said they were matched in strength.
Feats are for awe, direct confrontations are for the win.
I sense double standards....what about versatility? powerset? speedblitz?
there is a whole world of threads where direct confrontations do not exist(the majority since we know who will win,when direct confrontations are shown)
Superman Pissed or sunamped for the win..hell just really annoyed superman for the win
i would like to see a speedblitz from BA,it would make a big difference to me...where is all the "he destroyes him in a pico second"? T-Vo?.heat vision.like i said double standards
Superman can speedblitz and use heat vision at the same time-or freeze breath-ON PANEL-
Just like the flash...we know he can do it but......the comic would be over in one page
We've seen Teth fighting with Flash at superspeeds, so that's proof enough to me that he can speedblitz.
Versatility is nice, but that would mean that Surfer>Superman and that's not the case.
Superman has all these nice feats, but feats don't count in battle.
Direct comparisons do.
Surfer has shown more consistent versatility than Thor, but Thor> Surfer through what Marvel has shown in battle.
And i don't see how you get Superman the win, when nothing we've seen would support that notion, at least through direct confrontations.
I'd say split down the middle.
And lol at a pissed Superman taking down Teth with an upgrade.
Originally posted by UniOmni
We've seen Teth fighting with Flash at superspeeds, so that's proof enough to me that he can speedblitz.Versatility is nice, but that would mean that Surfer>Superman and that's not the case.
Superman has all these nice feats, but feats don't count in battle.
Direct comparisons do.
Surfer has shown more consistent versatility than Thor, but Thor> Surfer through what Marvel has shown in battle.
And i don't see how you get Superman the win, when nothing we've seen would support that notion, at least through direct confrontations.
I'd say split down the middle.
And lol at a pissed Superman taking down Teth with an upgrade.
I am sorry..surfer will beat superman with no stipulations ...and the majority of the site will agree with that....BA cant exploit his weakness,only his normal rsistance to magic..magic being used does not effect superman like K-nite and red sun energy
Superman speedblitzing and using one or more powers at once is the only thing i need to determin this outcome, now every one who fights flash can speedblitz?
i would like to have a issue # or scan to see him speedblitz..i would seriously reconsider to some degree my view
Originally posted by UniOmniwell said. people do tend to just lie down to superman and give him all the credit in the world. give black adam the respect he deserves. u did.
This whole thread is stupid, since it seems no one made the effort to read the first post.It's not sundipped Superman, it's sun amped Superman from S/B.
I'm guessing the threadstarter couldn't tell, but the S/B Darky fight took place on the surface of the sun.
These pics from OWAW have no bearing, since he named the specific showing which will be the food for the debate.
And i maintain, that unless the entire fight takes place in front of the sun, Teth has the edge.
Yes, he had his face melted by MM, but he also had ran through two countries and committed what amounts to genocide on a national level, not to mention fighting the superpowered beings of these nations.
Tell me if Superman ran through Apok, and then got bumrushed by the heroes of what's an entire planet, MM hv probably wouldn't do significant damage?
He ran through 3 GLs, and Alan Scott, and took down multiple high powered brutes.
And MM crippled him, but through a psychic attack which would kill Superman, as emo as he's known to be.
Superman running through the JLA in sacrifice isn't the same, since he had the element of surprise and actually planned out the move and had people who cared about him in his corner.
Heroes don't like Teth, if you weren't aware.
And if you wanna bring up the KOTW arc, Orion met him head on and acquited himself decently, vs a sun amped Superman, since he'd been throwing nukes into the sun.
KOTW where Superman was being held down by WW, Flash, J'onn and..............................................Batman?
This thread has been a circle jerk of kryptonian proportions, which could've been avoided if people READ THE OPENING POST!
WW3 = Adam with a powerup, vs Superman with a powerup.
It's not cut and dried in eithers favor.
And until Superman flatout outperforms Teth or Billy in a direct comparison, they're virtual equals in my mind.
Originally posted by starlock
I am sorry..surfer will beat superman with no stipulations ...and the majority of the site will agree with that....BA cant exploit his weakness,only his normal rsistance to magic..magic being used does not effect superman like K-nite and red sun energySuperman speedblitzing and using one or more powers at once is the only thing i need to determin this outcome, now every one who fights flash can speedblitz?
i would like to have a issue # or scan to see him speedblitz..i would seriously reconsider to some degree my view
So i tell you Teth can fight superspeed characters and keep up, but Superman is still gonna speedblitz him to death?
And it was in a JSA issue, mid run.
Originally posted by Soljerblack adam against a regular superman has two advantges. one is he doesnt hold back and will kill without hesitation. two is magic hurts supes and he has a weakness. u cant argue with this logic. its comic book proven. supes needs the advantage.
Surprise surprise. Another opinion that is entirely wrong...
