Black Adam vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I know he's above her I never argued that it's just that everything here with a penis tends to make it seem so without thinking it fully out.

True so all that does is add a thousand to here already many thousands.

See sweetie here's where I'm coming from. The rules are no PIS/CIS where and for whom do the lines end, blur, etc. So apparently we're supposed to judge these fights with the most reasonable outcome but, overlook things too?

For the record, my misogynistic post was in jest.
I do think this would be a good match, else i wouldn't have made it.
But i do feel that the stats are a bit in BA's favor.
Him and his cheesy counterpart are depicted as the equals of Superman, while WW is always a bit behind Superman.

So(imo) there is no great leap needed in deductive reasoning, to suspect that she may be a bit behind the three above. Leastwise, thats how i see it.

And i know Superman and Batman are protected. Thats clear as day.

If Cap Marvel joins the JLA like i hope he does, then we'll see how he compares to both Superman and Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Understandable but, at the same time it's not like we haven't seen it mentioned in any book. So if even Superman has said or considers WW his equal it's not true? This would fall under that blanket of protection of Superman I mentioned earlier.

its not. while he has said that, she has also referred to him as the most powerful of all the league, and yet both are simply opinions...

when they fought in ww #219, she had the stance of doing anything to slow him down, and while it is true that he was brainwashed, he still showed enough, imo, to be considered her superior (if only slightly)...

Originally posted by Soljer
The thing is, plot induced stupidity is hardly an applicable argument when the character himself is BASED on that stupidity.

There is NO conceivable way that Batman could become as good as he is in that short time. However, he is. We HAVE to suspend that disbelief for him, the same way we do for Superman being an alien who utilizes photosynthesis.

Consider it Batman's power to just be that ridiculously good at these few things in a short time. He has to be, after all.

Same reason Captain America is one of the best fighters on Marvel Earth, yet, has hardly had any time to train whatsoever.

I understand that to a point but, it still leave me with a bitter taste(shut up).😬

Originally posted by pr1983
well from what i've heard he's at least level with captain marvel, who toe to toe with superman is superior (the whole magic thing), so i think he'd just about take it... she'd give him a hell of a fight though...

and i'd pick ww to beat down kara any day of the week...

See but at the same time CA and BA both have invulnerability and offensive powers to counteract Superman's powers and prey upon his weakness it's be like giving WW the shooting powers and invulnerability of BA or CA. If Superman gets more powerful with sunlight then there's no way they're his equal.

Originally posted by UniOmni

Him and his cheesy counterpart are depicted as the equals of Superman, while WW is always a bit behind Superman.

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Originally posted by LethalFemme
I understand that to a point but, it still leave me with a bitter taste(shut up).😬

See but at the same time CA and BA both have invulnerability and offensive powers to counteract Superman's powers and prey upon his weakness it's be like giving WW the shooting powers and invulnerability of BA or CA. If Superman gets more powerful with sunlight then there's no way they're his equal.

They have magic on their side, which is an incredibly potent weapon against superman... and while diana does to an extent also, i believe shazam and BA have a bit of an edge...

Originally posted by badabing
Hey, that's Big Red Cheese to you sir! 😠

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(apologies for the double post)

Originally posted by UniOmni
For the record, my misogynistic post was in jest.
I do think this would be a good match, else i wouldn't have made it.
But i do feel that the stats are a bit in BA's favor.
Him and his cheesy counterpart are depicted as the equals of Superman, while WW is always a bit behind Superman.

So(imo) there is no great leap needed in deductive reasoning, to suspect that she may be a bit behind the three above. Leastwise, thats how i see it.

And i know Superman and Batman are protected. Thats clear as day.

If Cap Marvel joins the JLA like i hope he does, then we'll see how he compares to both Superman and Wonder Woman.

See the thing that fully makes no sense is SM, CM, BA powers > WW but when you add her weapons and skill it's like people are like there's still no difference. Like SM is immune to magic.

Originally posted by pr1983
its not. while he has said that, she has also referred to him as the most powerful of all the league, and yet both are simply opinions...

when they fought in ww #219, she had the stance of doing anything to slow him down, and while it is true that he was brainwashed, he still showed enough, imo, to be considered her superior (if only slightly)...

But how much of that is accurate hasn't the same been same about MM and GL?

I fully agree he is more powerful but, most people on here make it seem like it SM>>>>>>>>>>>>WW everything.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
See the thing that fully makes no sense is SM, CM, BA powers > WW but when you add her weapons and skill it's like people are like there's still no difference. Like SM is immune to magic.

But how much of that is accurate hasn't the same been same about MM and GL?

I fully agree he is more powerful but, most people on here make it seem like it SM>>>>>>>>>>>>WW everything.

it has been, but again, those are the opinions of the writers at the time, and are ever changing...

As for superman being superior on most counts, i would agree, but its not by any means a huge margin, and she is a much better fighter than he is...

Originally posted by pr1983
They have magic on their side, which is an incredibly potent weapon against superman... and while diana does to an extent also, i believe shazam and BA have a bit of an edge...

I know they do but, it like you add in magic and skills one thing that is his weakness and the other that he's outclassed in and yet you get nothing. I'm sure a magical lightning charged fist hurts more than a regular one.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I understand that to a point but, it still leave me with a bitter taste(shut up).😬

See but at the same time CA and BA both have invulnerability and offensive powers to counteract Superman's powers and prey upon his weakness it's be like giving WW the shooting powers and invulnerability of BA or CA. If Superman gets more powerful with sunlight then there's no way they're his equal.

And yet WW is??

Infact, the point you just brought up about the Solar absorbtion is a funny thing.

Cap without powersharing, should actually be a bit above the rest, including Superman.

But Supermans had growth, and people have grown right alongside with him, without any reason why they are able to keep pace with him.

in a logical universe, Superman would be three notches above the rest.

Diana doesn't have a continous powerup, iirc.
Neither does MM or Cap and BA.

But yet, they mysteriously have kept abreast or close to it, of Superman since 86............Weird.

I honestly don't know why DC doesn't give the magical beings, a continual powerup, like magic heightens with age/experience. It would give some credibility to their increased power levels.

MM, is a lost cause. Even if he gets a powerup, he still won't get the respect the Bronze Wraith deserves.

But with her weapons and skills, he still does outclass her by a bit. Look at the last fight they had in a Superman book.

When she confronted him with her little dagger. He outclasses her in speed, and strength.

Other fights further back have her prepping for him. Prepping and admitting it, cuz she couldn't have beaten/matched him without it.

You don't prep for someone who's in your ballpark. You prep for someone who's beyond you by a significant margin.

WW is good, but DC has shown that Superman>> maybe even a third> Wonder Woman.

I don't like it either, but i don't write their books.

With his Superman comparable stats, i'd say BA 6/10

Is that still too much in your opinion femme?

And WW isn't pathetic. Just redundant at times.

Originally posted by pr1983
it has been, but again, those are the opinions of the writers at the time, and are ever changing...

As for superman being superior on most counts, i would agree, but its not by any means a huge margin, and she is a much better fighter than he is...

But she gets the blunt end so many times it's like wtf why is she so pathetic.😬

But apparently enough for some people to not think and automatically say it's 7-8/10

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I know they do but, it like you add in magic and skills one thing that is his weakness and the other that he's outclassed in and yet you get nothing. I'm sure a magical lightning charged fist hurts more than a regular one.

but supermans range and the totality of that range is usually what sees him through...

as for CM & BA, from what i've seen their physical strength may be slightly above diana's, in superman #215 an eclipso controlled superman fought shazam, and shazam was every bit his equal...

i don't like it any more than you do though... the more of diana i read the more i like her...

Originally posted by LethalFemme
But she gets the blunt end so many times it's like wtf why is she so pathetic.😬

But apparently enough for some people to not think and automatically say it's 7-8/10

she is by no means pathetic... you have to remember, this is superman, the guy who is consistently held to be #1 in dc... and to my memory the only hero who has ever consistently fought him and held their own so well is ww...

7-8/10 for who? superman v ww or BA v ww?

(again, apologies for the double post)

Originally posted by UniOmni
And yet WW is??

Infact, the point you just brought up about the Solar absorbtion is a funny thing.

Cap without powersharing, should actually be a bit above the rest, including Superman.

But Supermans had growth, and people have grown right alongside with him, without any reason why they are able to keep pace with him.

in a logical universe, Superman would be three notches above the rest.

Diana doesn't have a continous powerup, iirc.
Neither does MM or Cap and BA.

But yet, they mysteriously have kept abreast or close to it, of Superman since 86............Weird.

I honestly don't know why DC doesn't give the magical beings, a continual powerup, like magic heightens with age/experience. It would give some credibility to their increased power levels.

MM, is a lost cause. Even if he gets a powerup, he still won't get the respect the Bronze Wraith deserves.

But with her weapons and skills, he still does outclass her by a bit. Look at the last fight they had in a Superman book.

When she confronted him with her little dagger. He outclasses her in speed, and strength.

Other fights further back have her prepping for him. Prepping and admitting it, cuz she couldn't have beaten/matched him without it.

You don't prep for someone who's in your ballpark. You prep for someone who's beyond you by a significant margin.

WW is good, but DC has shown that Superman>> maybe even a third> Wonder Woman.

I don't like it either, but i don't write their books.

I completely see that whole energy thing but at the same time if WW has the power or of gods that existed before time then shouldn't stats be

Intelligence of Athena>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman's etc?

Originally posted by pr1983
she is by no means pathetic... you have to remember, this is superman, the guy who is consistently held to be #1 in dc... and to my memory the only hero who has ever consistently fought him and held their own so well is ww...

7-8/10 for who? superman v ww or BA v ww?

(again, apologies for the double post)

No I mean when they have her jobbing to people like Batman or Deathstroke or fighting like she forgot she's a warrior.

All three of them that's what I've seen most people here say.😬

Originally posted by LethalFemme
No I mean when they have her jobbing to people like Batman or Deathstroke or fighting like she forgot she's a warrior.

All three of them that's what I've seen most people here say.😬

The jobbing can be a b*tch, it happens to most heroes now and again...

especially when it comes to batman... the guy is unbelievable at times...

ok, well imo... Superman>CM & BA>WW, but only by small (but discernable) margins... and when it comes down to it, supes n ww have so much sexual tension between them, its a wonder they can even hit each other... 😖

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I completely see that whole energy thing but at the same time if WW has the power or of gods that existed before time then shouldn't stats be

Intelligence of Athena>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman's etc?

No. Was it Artemis or Athena who was stupid enough to fight a clone Doomsday??
Either way, eons of wisdom wasn't being shown there.

But Batman has to be smarter than everybody else. Otherwise, what else does he bring to the team??

Power = Superman
CoolHead= Diana
Unity = Jonn
Exuberance = Flash
Plot Device = GL
Damp, slimy presence = Aquaman
Batman = Brains. He can't do anything else on the team BUT be smart.

And its Batman who shares the sexual tension with Diana.
Superman isn't in the running.

Originally posted by pr1983
The jobbing can be a b*tch, it happens to most heroes now and again...

especially when it comes to batman... the guy is unbelievable at times...

ok, well imo... Superman>CM & BA>WW, but only by small (but discernable) margins... and when it comes down to it, supes n ww have so much sexual tension between them, its a wonder they can even hit each other... 😖

I fully agree with you. So far you seem to be one of the very few people that aren't it's SM>>CA, BA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WW

and true on the tension part.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I completely see that whole energy thing but at the same time if WW has the power or of gods that existed before time then shouldn't stats be

Intelligence of Athena>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman's etc?

i consider that both pis and cis

cause wonder woman ba and cm all should have infanite knowladge but they dont. or at least have never shown it.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No. Was it Artemis or Athena who was stupid enough to fight a clone Doomsday??
Either way, eons of wisdom wasn't being shown there.

But Batman has to be smarter than everybody else. Otherwise, what else does he bring to the team??

Power = Superman
CoolHead= Diana
Unity = Jonn
Exuberance = Flash
Plot Device = GL
Damp, slimy presence = Aquaman
Batman = Brains. He can't do anything else on the team BUT be smart.

And its Batman who shares the sexual tension with Diana.
Superman isn't in the running.

lol... if you say so... i think trinity, kingdom come, distant fires and action comics would disagree... 😛