Originally posted by batdude123
It might be because of nvr's antics, or it might not be... but you're truly underestimating her.Three to four wins out of ten isn't beyond her capabilities.
I know it's easy to play favorites here. But I'll go ahead and give Diana the credit.
Not underestimating her, just haven't seen anything from her that would lead me to give her four to five wins against any high end top tier. For the massive amount of time she's allotted on the comic scene her individual feats are less than impressive, and her track record against top tiers is nothing to shout about.
Originally posted by Larceny
Not underestimating her, just haven't seen anything from her that would lead me to give her four to five wins against any high end top tier. For the massive amount of time she's allotted on the comic scene her individual feats are less than impressive, and her track record against top tiers is nothing to shout about.
I didn't say she'd split with Teth. I said she'd get 3-4/10 which is within her capabilities. Feat wise, she's done just fine. She's proven herself to be equal to CM before, which is nothing to laugh at.
Diana becomes an easy target though when someone like nvr starts overestimating her and saying she'd beat Teth in a fight.
Originally posted by batdude123
I didn't say she'd split with Teth. I said she'd get 3-4/10 which is within her capabilities. Feat wise, she's done just fine. She's proven herself to be equal to CM before, which is nothing to laugh at.Diana becomes an easy target though when someone like nvr starts overestimating her and saying she'd beat Teth in a fight.
Now all you have to do is find where I said she would get the majority against BA.
Originally posted by batdude123
I didn't say she'd split with Teth. I said she'd get 3-4/10 which is within her capabilities. Feat wise, she's done just fine. She's proven herself to be equal to CM before, which is nothing to laugh at.Diana becomes an easy target though when someone like nvr starts overestimating her and saying she'd beat Teth in a fight.
I know, that was my own assessment.
It really isn't. What does she offer besides strength, durability, speed, and skill, all attributes in which Adam is her superior or her equal?
Fine, and thats all she's done. Fine doesn't equal impressive.
She stalemated him once, doesn't make her his equal. Thor although dwarfed in power by Zeus, was once able to stalemate him for months. Would he take one or any wins against him in a forum battle? No.
Originally posted by Larceny
I know, that was my own assessment.It really isn't. What does she offer besides strength, durability, speed, and skill, all attributes in which Adam is her superior or her equal?
Fine, and thats all she's done. Fine doesn't equal impressive.
She stalemated him once, doesn't make her his equal. Thor although dwarfed in power by Zeus, was once able to stalemate him in power? Would he take one or any wins against him in a forum battle? No.
You'd be hard pressed to find Black Adam with many strength feats that are out of Diana's League. He has NO speed feats that match hers. No Skill feats. He is quite Durable. But She's no slouch in Brunt force trauma and her lack of Piercing Durability is covered by her shield and Bracers. And It's not like she doesn't have magical weapons to even things out. They are certainly in the same strength class. He's more durable. She's faster with weapons, and better skills. There is no way He can beat someone that close for more than 6. And I'm saying they split even. She exceeds him in skill by far.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said as far as I'm concerned he was just an andriod. He totally missed the point being his valassholeself. Without feats to back up that particular Amazo, it was just an andriod.
Originally posted by Val
He'll do what he always does. Say I twisted the argument, throw in some shit about how much money he makes and how important he is and then end the post with some random insults along the lines of me chewing glass.
Originally posted by Larceny
I know, that was my own assessment.It really isn't. What does she offer besides strength, durability, speed, and skill, all attributes in which Adam is her superior or her equal?
Fine, and thats all she's done. Fine doesn't equal impressive.
She stalemated him once, doesn't make her his equal. Thor although dwarfed in power by Zeus, was once able to stalemate him for months. Would he take one or any wins against him in a forum battle? No.
Although slight, Adam has the advantage in strength and durability.
Speed is a wash. Actually as a matter of fact, I've seen her move quicker than he ever has.
Don't kid yourself with the matter of h2h skills. Diana has him beat in that category by miles.
Plus you're forgetting her weapons that she can make good use of in a fight. The lasso has been able to subdue Batson twice. Not to mention the tiara and the bracelets.
You can think whatever you want to about her power level. Teth wouldn't dominate her in a fight by any means. It's completely reasonable/feasible for her to get 3-4/10.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now all you have to do is find where I said she would get the majority against BA.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually the BA thread was BS. She wasn't allowed her weapons and no one could agree on her strength. But according to her stats and superman's stats in brother eye, her stregnth was a1 and his was a1. Ooops. I guess BA isn't all that much of a match for her when you add in her weapons.
Pretty much the same thing.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now all you have to do is find where I said she would get the majority against BA.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
7/10 Diana based upon her having nearly no weakness to BA's best attack, her being more skilled and equal in strength. Plus the handy shield of Aegis.
Originally posted by batdude123
Although slight, Adam has the advantage in strength and durability.Speed is a wash. Actually as a matter of fact, I've seen her move quicker than he ever has.
Don't kid yourself with the matter of h2h skills. Diana has him beat in that category by miles.
Plus you're forgetting her weapons that she can make good use of in a fight. The lasso has been able to subdue Batson twice. Not to mention the tiara and the bracelets.
You can think whatever you want to about her power level. Teth wouldn't dominate her in a fight by any means. It's completely reasonable/feasible for her to get 3-4/10.
It's a large enough gap to make a difference in a brawl. She won't out slug him.
Maybe, but his race with Flash is an indication of great speed.
Meh, I could agree with that. However skill is the only thing keeping her alive in this bout, but don't get it twisted. Black Adam is no novice in h2h combat.
It's worth noting that as Captain Marvel shares his powers with the rest of the Marvel Family, Adam's unshared powers are often depicted as rendering him somewhat stronger than Marvel. Her stalemating or even subduing Marvel is not evidence that she could do the same to Adam. Adam also doesn't do that holding back thing like most other top tiers, every attack is given with the intent to kill.
Can you prove otherwise? Like I said, he individual feats are less than impressive and her record again top tiers isn't anything to shout about.
She gets dominated. 😬
Originally posted by Larceny
It's a large enough gap to make a difference in a brawl. She won't out slug him.Maybe, but his race with Flash is an indication of great speed.
Meh, I could agree with that. However skill is the only thing keeping her alive in this bout, but don't get it twisted. Black Adam is no novice in h2h combat.
It's worth noting that as Captain Marvel shares his powers with the rest of the Marvel Family, Adam's unshared powers are often depicted as rendering him somewhat stronger than Marvel. Her stalemating or even subduing Marvel is not evidence that she could do the same to Adam. Adam also doesn't do that holding back thing like most other top tiers, every attack is given with the intent to kill.
Can you prove otherwise? Like I said, he individual feats are less than impressive and her record again top tiers isn't anything to shout about.
She gets dominated. 😬
You're acting as if she gets one punched here, which simply is not the case. The level she's at strength/durability wise is close to his. He's just not at a level where he'd physically manhandle her.
His race with Jay Garrick showed him to be at about Mach 500 iirc. Diana has easily exceeded that.
He is a novice when in comparison to Wonder Woman. There's no denying that part. In fact, his 'skills' aren't even worth mentioning in a fight against Diana.
You really don't need to give me a lesson on the Shazam family, thanks. The only time he shares the power with Mary and Freddy is when they too are in their god forms. Otherwise, Marvel and Adam are equals. Both have gotten their fair share of wins over one another in battles. And one of the times where Diana subdued Captain Marvel with her lasso was after he absorbed Freddy's, Mary's, AND Teth's power into himself. You could say he was Captain Marvel+ in that instance.
You want to see her feats against top tiers, there's a lovely WW respect thread filled with them.
Adam pulls the majority, but it's certainly not going to be easy for him. The only thing saving him is his physical superiority. The skills and weapons she possesses allow her to take a minimum of 3/10 fights. And make no mistake, if the lasso gets wrapped around Teth, it's over for him.
Originally posted by batdude123
You're acting as if she gets one punched here, which simply is not the case. The level she's at strength/durability wise is close to his. He's just not at a level where he'd physically manhandle her.His race with Jay Garrick showed him to be at about Mach 500 iirc. Diana has easily exceeded that.
He is a novice when in comparison to Wonder Woman. There's no denying that part. In fact, his 'skills' aren't even worth mentioning in a fight against Diana.
You really don't need to give me a lesson on the Shazam family, thanks. The only time he shares the power with Mary and Freddy is when they too are in their god forms. Otherwise, Marvel and Adam are equals. Both have gotten their fair share of wins over one another in battles. And one of the times where Diana subdued Captain Marvel with her lasso was after he absorbed Freddy's, Mary's, AND Teth's power into himself. You could say he was Captain Marvel+ in that instance.
You want to see her feats against top tiers, there's a lovely WW respect thread filled with them.
Adam pulls the majority, but it's certainly not going to be easy for him. The only thing saving him is his physical superiority. The skills and weapons she possesses allow her to take a minimum of 3/10 fights. And make no mistake, if the lasso gets wrapped around Teth, it's over for him.
Not one punched, but out punched. If that battle comes down to a brawl, which it will, she gets dominated. It's that simple. She'd get mowed down like the waves of heros during WW3.
He hit mach 500 before falling behind and stumbling, it was never established that thats his peak. He's also backhanded a blitzing Flash, and went toe to toe with Flash speed wise. I doubt she's his superior in speed. Unless of course you can prove otherwise.
I ask you then. How have her skills helped her when facing physically superior opponents, opponents such as Superman?
Not a lesson, just thought you should take note.
I've already seen them, and as I said, her record against the upper echelon of top tiers is less than impressive. In fact, she has a very poor record against MM. The same MM Black Adam sent to space crying like a *****.
It won't be too difficult. That's her only advantage, the lasso, which is why I gave her the one or two wins. Her skill, like so many time before will prove useless against a superior for.
BA ftw