Originally posted by Larceny
Nope 8 to 9. 🙂He's stronger, equally as fast, more durable, more ruthless, etc. He's just better.
She's faster, has better hand eye coordination, better reflexes, just as strong ( she did stalemate Cm before), and her sheilds and bracelets are far superior to his durability. And let's not forget, Adam isn't carrying around any guns. When it comes to being punched, Diana has taken shots from people stronger than Adam.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You sound like quan. he's just better.She's faster, has better hand eye coordination, better reflexes, just as strong ( she did stalemate Cm before), and her sheilds and bracelets are far superior to his durability. And let's not forget, Adam isn't carrying around any guns. When it comes to being punched, Diana has taken shots from people stronger than Adam.
Sure.
You can't prove she's faster and have dogged request of proof for such claims throughout the duration of this discussion.
She's not as strong and stalemating a character with superior strength isn't an indication of equal strength. Especially when utilizing magic weapons. It's also worth noting that as Captain Marvel shares his powers with the rest of the Marvel Family, Adam's unshared powers are often depicted as rendering him somewhat stronger than Marvel.
She isn't as durable as he. She isn't going to stand there with her wrist crossed through the entirety of the fight. BTW, she's been beaten and battered before. In fact she's been nearly killed by MM martian vision, the same martian vision that Adam shrugged off and continued mowing down DC earth. I also remember her wrist being casually snapped by Superman.
Guns? What's stopping him from picking up a metal steak or pole and throwing it through her?
She's also been beaten by those less powerful than him.
Originally posted by Larceny
Sure.You can't prove she's faster and have dogged request of proof for such claims throughout the duration of this discussion.
She's not as strong and stalemating a character with superior strength isn't an indication of equal strength. Especially when utilizing magic weapons. It's also worth noting that as Captain Marvel shares his powers with the rest of the Marvel Family, Adam's unshared powers are often depicted as rendering him somewhat stronger than Marvel.
She isn't as durable as he. She isn't going to stand there with her wrist crossed through the entirety of the fight. BTW, she's been beaten and battered before. In fact she's been nearly killed by MM martian vision, the same martian vision that Adam shrugged off and continued mowing down DC earth. I also remember her wrist being casually snapped by Superman.
Guns? What's stopping him from picking up a metal steak or pole and throwing it through her?
She's also been beaten by those less powerful than him.
Excuse me. But She entered the speed force of her own accord. You are the one who tried to say she was dragged and FAILEd to produce such evidence. SHe's faster. She has More speed feats, period. She's hit Zoom. And beaten flash. Who has BA defeated with such speed? Produce evidence or admits she's faster. Also, When she stalemated Cm, you do reaize she was fighting him in hand to hand right? What weapons did she use? I guess you don't own the story and are pulling shit out of your ass. BA shrugged off Martian vision while being powered up by isis. ANd he still got his face melted good. Please stop graspoing and find something OUTSIDE of WW3. The forum has pretty much told you over and over that he had a power up. OH and WW's wrist wasn't casually snapped by Superman. It was snapped By a sun amped superman as she was taking a beating trying to save people's lives and his own. And did you notice that she casually made his ears bleed? Oh and a metal steak or pole isn't going to go thru her. Sorry buddy. IT has to be a very small object. With the surface area of a bullet or knife. And sense when is he going to connect when she has her BRACERS to deflect his punches and weapons and her shield? Hmmm? She is after all vastyly superior to him in skill, hand eye coordination, and speed until you show us Adam entering the speed force on his own. Cuz from where I"m looking, BA is the one who looked to be dragged into the speed force By Jay. OH and by the way, CM is only depowered when the others are active. If you didn't notice when WW and CM fought, they were both chosen by thier pantheons to represent. NO other marvels were powered up during that fight. ANd Please show me WW beaten by anyone who was less than Herald lvl in a one on one. Do tell. Since you said she's been beaten by less. Show us.
Originally posted by Larceny
You I'd actually like to see this. I've yet to see WW fight a superior opponent and shell out two to three more punches than them. It may help in prolonging the fight, but it won't get her a winYou can say slightly if you wish, but you know as well as I do that if she wishes to brawl, which she will, it's her character, that she'll get her ass busted.
I'm sure she has a similar strength feat to this?
Or casually forcing herself through a shield capable of withstanding a direct asteroid strike such as the one that destroyed the Dinosaurs.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Black%20Adam%20Feats/DC52Week46-002-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Black%20Adam%20Feats/DC52Week46-003-004.jpgIt's because of the lasso that she gets her one to two wins. Like I said, she doesn't have what it takes to shell out two to three wins against any character in the upper echelon of top tiers.
Which was my point the entire time. Her speed won't prove to be an advantage.
Even if he was, which I have doubts about, he'd retain those powers in this battle. Those are the levels we last seen him at, those fats are applicable for debate.
I guarantee it's easier defeating your teammates in a test session than actually defeating those who wish to incapacitate you in hostile combat. Oh, yeah and the man of steel was absent from fight, which makes takes a lot away from the feat. I'd also like to add that MM has casually dealt with WW on previous encounters.
Yet she's also been smashed by Superman, as she has by Martians. IIRC, wasn't she owned by a Daxamite?
It really isn't. Other than the lasso she has no way to beat him. like I said, she won't out brawl him, she won't be able to use her speed to an advantage, she isn't going to lasso him up more than two times. She simply won't win.
Well, she did it in her fight against Superman in the Sacrifice arc. Made use of her skill and landed more punches/strikes than he did. Granted, it did show him to be superior but the fight ended with his throat sliced open and her being relatively okay. And this was an extremely pissed off Superman who just got threw handling the League. Anyway, her kicks and punches seemed to have more of an effect on him than Black Adam’s. 🙂
She did it in another fight with Superman in JLA: The Tenth Circle. And in that JLA arc, Superman makes a fool out of J’onn in a fight.
She did it in a fight against Captain Marvel. She did it against Zoom. She’s done it against White Martians. She’s done it against a Daxamite. Etc. etc.
Seriously, I don’t even see how this can be disputed. She’s the much better fighter here by far, and she has a lot more experience. Simple logic dictates that she’ll land more hits in a fight against Black Adam.
She wouldn’t brawl against Black Adam. She’s smarter than that. She’d seize any opportunity to exploit a weakness or to wrap the lasso around him.
The first feat you’ve shown isn’t all too impressive. He rips a steel frame off of a ship and chucks it.
The second instance you’ve provided isn’t really a feat of strength. That’s more of a durability and speed feat.
Her catching this meteorite is damn impressive.
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg
And her helping support the weight of the Spectre.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9238/jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre.jpg
You don’t need to give me strength feats for Teth. I already give Black Adam the nod in strength but it’s certainly not by a large margin.
All she really has to do is find a waning moment at some point in the fight; whether that means stunning him with a strike or slicing his throat with her tiara. From there, a lasso toss will have him under her control. Not that she can’t beat him with her h2h skills, it’s just simply easier to use the lasso.
I never said she was faster. I was merely making parallels between her feats of speed and the feat you provided for Black Adam which was him racing against Jay Garrick. If anything, they’re pretty close to being even in speed.
And Diana has tons of blunt force durability feats that put her on par with Adam.
Anyway, it’s getting kind of hard to take you seriously at this point. You act as if Wonder Woman has never fought or competed against characters of Black Adam’s caliber when quite the opposite is true.
Any Shazam bolt he throws her way can be blocked via the bracelets. On the other hand, he has no real way of blocking a tiara throw or her lasso. His only logical option is to go h2h against her, and that’s where she excels. She can pull some wins… that’s all I’m saying.
I find it sad how people deny Wonder Woman her due credit around here mainly because nvr overrates her. However, anybody who actually reads comics with WW in them knows that she has what it takes to give it to BA.
With that said, Black Adam wins 6-7/10.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And Underworld Unleashed, where Cap with a broken arm took down a group including WW and J'onn.
Are you referring to the crossover event that was over a decade ago? Lawlz.
Originally posted by Val
Nvr, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone reading this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
crylaugh
Billy Madison.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Excuse me. But She entered the speed force of her own accord. You are the one who tried to say she was dragged and FAILEd to produce such evidence. SHe's faster. She has More speed feats, period. She's hit Zoom. And beaten flash. Who has BA defeated with such speed? Produce evidence or admits she's faster. Also, When she stalemated Cm, you do reaize she was fighting him in hand to hand right? What weapons did she use? I guess you don't own the story and are pulling shit out of your ass. BA shrugged off Martian vision while being powered up by isis. ANd he still got his face melted good. Please stop graspoing and find something OUTSIDE of WW3. The forum has pretty much told you over and over that he had a power up. OH and WW's wrist wasn't casually snapped by Superman. It was snapped By a sun amped superman as she was taking a beating trying to save people's lives and his own. And did you notice that she casually made his ears bleed? Oh and a metal steak or pole isn't going to go thru her. Sorry buddy. IT has to be a very small object. With the surface area of a bullet or knife. And sense when is he going to connect when she has her BRACERS to deflect his punches and weapons and her shield? Hmmm? She is after all vastyly superior to him in skill, hand eye coordination, and speed until you show us Adam entering the speed force on his own. Cuz from where I"m looking, BA is the one who looked to be dragged into the speed force By Jay. OH and by the way, CM is only depowered when the others are active. If you didn't notice when WW and CM fought, they were both chosen by thier pantheons to represent. NO other marvels were powered up during that fight. ANd Please show me WW beaten by anyone who was less than Herald lvl in a one on one. Do tell. Since you said she's been beaten by less. Show us.
She didn't, and I'm baffled by the fact that you're asking me to provide proof of something you claimed. You claimed she entered the speed force on her on accord, and iirc three posters asked you to support this claim as to our knowledge she was pulled in.
She's does have more speed feats, but that means nil. Quality over quantity my friend, and matching Garrick in the speed force is second to none.
Zoom isn't fast, and BA's beaten Flash. In fact he's beaten Flash a few time, twice while he was facing off against the rest of the JLA and another few times in WW3. However the WW3 beating may have ben off panel.
I didn't claim he was faster than she, only that he could match her speed which I've proved. You on the other hand of failed to support your claims that she's faster than he.
She used her lasso, or did you not read the fight?
Her we go again with your Isis excuse. Not only are you incapable of proving he was empowered by Isis, you can't prove to what degree, and you can't prove he doesn't have the power up for this bout. Either way you're screwed. Especially with your track record of not bringing proof into debates.
Half his face was melted. So what? He still beat MM's ass. Also, his face being half melted is a much better showing then being nearly killed.
No, the forum hasn't told me anything. Their skeptical about it as I am. Stop grouping yourself with the rest of the forum as if your opinion consistently correlates with theirs. In fact more times than not your opinion is the exact opposite with the rest of the forum populace.
Made his ears bleed? 😆
If you honestly believe that then you should stop using the internet, go to your room, and read a high school physics book. If she's susceptible to piercing damage to the point where a ballet is capable of going through her then any solid object propelled at high enough speeds is capable of going through her. A metal steak or pole would be perfect.
You tout he shields around as if she's never been hit before. That certainly isn't the case. She will leave her self open for attack as she always does.
She's superior to him in skill, and thats about it.
Can you drop the hand I coordination nonsense now?
Stop trying to push the burden of proof upon me. I've supported my stance. You on the other hand offered to provide proof yet never did so. We all know she was dragged in, hence the reason your scared to provide the scans.
BA was dragged in the speed force? 😐
Actually I claimed she's been beaten by lesser characters than BA. So I'll give you MM.
Originally posted by batdude123
Stuff i really don't care about since it doesn't apply to me....Are you referring to the crossover event that was over a decade ago? Lawlz.
Yep, since it's one of the few instances where Marvel and WW actually get into a confrontation. That makes the comics relevance still viable.
crylaugh
Billy Madison.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are a dense one. Eclipso possessed a woman who kicked a battle suit? That is your evidence? Who's to say what lvl eclipso can amp someone? He may be able to amp a woman to wolverine lvls to kick a battle suit, but when has he shown that he can amp the heroes? As a matter of fact, Eclipso always wants the power of the heroes. Eclipso doesn't amp the heroes. I have those eclipso issues somewhere. Eclipso specifically wanted the heroes for thier power. Please. You will have to do better. And I also said that The Marvels are never fighting superman in the way diana does. I never see them trying to find a way out of the situation. And you using underworld unleashed is PATHETIC. You do realize that WW being possessed would severly limit her. The person possessing her would have none of her skill. Do better. As of Now, WW stalemated CM before she was depowered. Now There is a direct confrontation that you cannot ignore. She stalemaed him BEFORE her amp. Mainly due to skill. Now what exactly what is going to happen while she is stronger and faster?
So basically, i give you an example, but you disregard it entirely?
I used underworld unleashed because it was one of the few confrontations they've had.
And it's all really moot, since Cap stands as an equal to Superman, where WW is a second.
Originally posted by Larceny
Looks like Diana wraps the lasso around her and was dragged. She's even inanimately floating behind while the other two were running.
The question is, how did Diana even GET to the point where she was even in the vicinity close enough to lasso her??
The implications of the feat suggest that Diana is faster than Superman(Can someone give me some info on where he's reached the speedforce?) and at she's at least as fast as Flash.
It's a little hard to believe.
Originally posted by Larceny
Looks like Diana wraps the lasso around her and was dragged. She's even inanimately floating behind while the other two were running.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
The question is, how did Diana even GET to the point where she was even in the vicinity close enough to lasso her??The implications of the feat suggest that Diana is faster than Superman(Can someone give me some info on where he's reached the speedforce?) and at she's at least as fast as Flash.
It's a little hard to believe.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' see Diana being dragged into the speed force as you said. It seems that I am correct. She entered the speed force on her own and lassoed JessE AFter the two had been fighting in the speed force. Pwned. Her speed feat trumps BA's. Ba was pulled into the speed force by Jay Garrick.
You don't see WW at all. All you see is her lasso, and then her hanging inanimately from that lasso.
BA wasn't pulled into the speed force, he was fighting someone while they were in the speed force.
So yeah, you still lose. 😬
Originally posted by Larceny
You don't see WW at all. All you see is her lasso, and then her hanging inanimately from that lasso.BA wasn't pulled into the speed force, he was fighting someone while they were in the speed force.
So yeah, you still lose. 😬
Are you drunk? Jessee and Savitar are fighting in the speed force. There is NO LASSO on jessee. WW enters the speed force clearly after the two had been in there fighting. She then wraps the lasso around jessee. What the hell are you drinking? Can I have some? Making you see things. And Ba was pulled into the speed force with Flash. He's right there as Jay enters. And read the panel. Diana is talking about how she's never moved this fast before and how this used to be Herme's nordick track or something like that. She does get her speed directly from Hermes.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are you stupid? Jessee and Savitar are fighting in the speed force. There is NO LASSO on jessee. WW enters the speed force clearly after the two had been in there fighting. She then wraps the lasso around jessee. What the hell are you drinking? Can I have some? Making you see things. And Ba was pulled into the speed force with Flash. He's right there as Jay enters.
Look at the third page, second panel. You see the lasso suddenly around Jesse, no WW. You then see WW's face, and after WW hanging inanimately from the lasso.
The way you twist and manipulate feats are amazing. BA was pulled into the speed force? How then do you explain him matching Garrick while he was in there?
