The dark side is a pathway to abilities many consider to be... unnatural.
Originally posted by Sado22
thank you for stating the obvious. people change, we all know it. but this emo argument isn't getting anywhere since you seem to think that that law applies to videogame too. and that's weird. how much has anyone changed in all these years anyway. Ryu is still a eunuch, ken is a cocky bastard, Iori is still a vengeful hater, kyo and an arrogant coneited prick, Kazuya still hates his daddy, Jin is still a wanker, Lee is still a f@g, anna is still a ho, paul is still a bum, Ganryu still has a fetish for native chicks.....etc. etc. etc.so you see....people don't change in videogames.
but do you know that beyond 30, people stop changing drastically. Geonitz is over 40...so he aint changing much. 😄
............... There are methods of changing other than physical apperance an attitude, or are you really that shallow? 😎
Originally posted by Sado22
actually its the otherway around.
Kusanagi weakens
yagami seal
and yatta lock away.and plotdevice or not, the fact remains that Iori locked away the diety that Goenitz serves.
and for the record...if purple flames were such a disastrous kryptonite how come Orochi Chris literally goes around playing with them?
Are they the flames of Magatama? No, then it doesn't count. Magatama flames are very specific, Iori's where TAINTED with Orochi power, hence turning purple...
Originally posted by Sado22
yes. and your point is? i'm pretty sure we're talking about O.Iori and not regular Iori.
Normal Iori went in as a single entry, Normal Iori can take on teams, but not the whole frigging cast. Riot Iori, Goes nuts, and takes on just teams, not the entire cast, not half the cast, he encounters different teams at different times.
really....?
hmmm...okay wait then. i'll pm them to you again but gimme some time.
There are methods of changing other than physical apperance an attitude, or are you really that shallow?
Are they the flames of Magatama? No, then it doesn't count. Magatama flames are very specific, Iori's where TAINTED with Orochi power, hence turning purple...
Normal Iori went in as a single entry, Normal Iori can take on teams, but not the whole frigging cast. Riot Iori, Goes nuts, and takes on just teams, not the entire cast, not half the cast, he encounters different teams at different times.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
well you're obviously too stupid to tell the difference. besides as was obvious, i wasn't talking about physical attributes, sherlock. none of the things i was talking about were. thanks for making it clear where you come from. 😄
Where I come from?
WTF? You've lost me now.... i unno what the hell your goingon about... 😕
Originally posted by Sado22
Iori's flames are the Orochi flames now, Darko. that is why his whole feat of suppressing his bloodline was so impressive in KoF96 since he supressed the Orochi flames and weilded the red ones....the ones his family originally held. Chris's flames are also the Orochi flames.
no dice.
No, they are still Magatama flames that have been corrupted by the power of Orochi in his blood. This is why he was able to regain his red flames temporarily in 96. if all he ha was Orochi flames now Sado, there woul be noMagatama flames left to bring back in 96.
Originally posted by Sado22
that makes no sense.
for one, Iori never HAD to encounter entire teams. so how are you even comparing it to something that never happened?!
and for the record, there is clear evidence that Iori CAN take on entire teams.........adn that is from KoF95.
Rugal, with a percentage of ORochi power was pwning the entire cast of KoF95 as we both know. not only did consider Rugal weak and pathetic but he even remark that only ones of the blood could control that power. that power was the Orochi power which he held in his very veins....and not just a percentage of. he held that power innately and not via some cheap transfer.
Dude, you sai it yourself, Iori as a single entry in 97 meant he ha to take on teams at some point uring the tournament before going Riot.
Again basing your verdict on a quote instead of a demonstrated feat? figures... Look, vague quotes arn't the be all end all of proof, not when there are DEMONSTRATED abilities in the opposite direction.
Rugal could have ha a much higher base skill before receiving the power, demonstrated by the fact that he was much more powerful than Saishu, Both times.
Iori's family i receive their portion of the power via a transfer, and Iori is nowhere near a fullblooded Orochi, fact is, we don't know how much Orochi Power Iori has, Leona's a half breed, The 4 heavenly kings are definitively fullbloods, Vice and mature are fullbloods, an Yamikaze is an unknown like Iori. Mukai, I think is a fullblood, but I ain't sure.
darko:
-its an expression. too bad you don't know about it.
-its called the orochi flames. they were yagami magatama BEFORE. not now.
-how can we say Iori CANNOT fight KoF97 cast if he never go to fight them. he's shown to be more than capable of doing it because he took down Vanessa, Seth and Ramon in a 3-on-1 battle, defeated Billy and Eiji and plundered whole teams in KoF97.
as for Rugal:
-he defeated Saishu only once: before KoF94 took place.
as for "Orochi blooded" get your facts straight.
Iori's family has had the orochi in their blood for 660 years now. they are orochi blooded people. Leona is NOT a half breed. she is also orochi blooded. Rugal got pwned because he does not have the blood of Orochi. he got the power in second hand kind of way. and only a tiny percentage of it. the yagami's though got it through making a full fledge pact with Orochi. hence Iori's "vague" quote.....only it wasn't.
unless you're telling me that Rugal is stronger than Iori because he got destructed by a tiny percentage of the power that Iori has running naturally in his body. you're not that thick are you?
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
darko:
-its an expression. too bad you don't know about it.
So it means nothing to me... moving on
Originally posted by Sado22
-its called the orochi flames. they were yagami magatama BEFORE. not now.
No, they are called 'The Flames of Death", His flames are corrupted, Iori pushed aside the corruption to defeat Goenitz, and thats all the proof I ever need to make my case that, even though Iori's flames are corupted, they are still that of the Magatama.
Originally posted by Sado22
-how can we say Iori CANNOT fight KoF97 cast if he never go to fight them. he's shown to be more than capable of doing it because he took down Vanessa, Seth and Ramon in a 3-on-1 battle, defeated Billy and Eiji and plundered whole teams in KoF97.
That proves, as I said, that he can take down teams, not the cast... Don't overhype a feat thatIori never did have Sado.
Originally posted by Sado22
as for Rugal:
-he defeated Saishu only once: before KoF94 took place.
Thas still one over Iori isn't it? 😛 Iori fared even against Kyo.
Originally posted by Sado22
as for "Orochi blooded" get your facts straight.
Iori's family has had the orochi in their blood for 660 years now. they are orochi blooded people. Leona is NOT a half breed. she is also orochi blooded. Rugal got pwned because he does not have the blood of Orochi. he got the power in second hand kind of way. and only a tiny percentage of it. the yagami's though got it through making a full fledge pact with Orochi. hence Iori's "vague" quote.....only it wasn't.unless you're telling me that Rugal is stronger than Iori because he got destructed by a tiny percentage of the power that Iori has running naturally in his body. you're not that thick are you?
~Sado
Your not getting it are you?
Iori is still half human, that makes him half human (Yagami) and half Orochi, and the Yagami only got the power through a blood pact, it's not the same as Rugal's power transfusion, but it's also not like being born with it either... since then the Yagami have very short lifespans, an are prone to the Riot... Yes, they have a portion of Orochi blood in them, but that blood is also toxic to humans (Hence the shortened lifespan)... The yagami do enjoy an increase in power though, meaning that their flames become purple as a sign of the Orochi blood's corruption.
Leona, she is the child of a pureblood Orochi and a Human... Because her fusion of human and Orochi blood was through sex, she can live a full life like a normal person, but because the Orochi blood in here is... Well.. MORE potent than her human blood, she is also suceptible to the Riot of blood as well.
And I never claimed that Rugal was stronger than Iori, but Rugal has demonstrated the capability of oing cast level fighting, Remember, Iori may only be a stronger 1-1 fighter... there are many aspects that differ fighting a single opponent, to fighting ozens at once.
Now, read the above passages carefully Sado... Try an see if anything I've said is actually wrong.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroDid you get that from "The Princess Bride" ?
Remember, Iori may only be a stronger 1-1 fighter... there are many aspects that differ fighting a single opponent, to fighting ozens at once.
Originally posted by Sado22Cool.
really....?
hmmm...okay wait then. i'll pm them to you again but gimme some time
how am i overhyping his feat, darko?
you're asking me to proove something he never did. wtf? he never got to take on an entire cast but its been made absolutely clear that he can.
-pwning Orochi
-being stronger than Geonitz
-pwning Orochi Nanakase
-and taking on the entire cast in a (not this again!) weaker state.
-oh and being a natural carrier of the power which only a percentage of was enough to pwn the entire cast of Ko95.
that's all the proof i'll ever need.
No, they are called 'The Flames of Death", His flames are corrupted, Iori pushed aside the corruption to defeat Goenitz, and thats all the proof I ever need to make my case that, even though Iori's flames are corupted, they are still that of the Magatama.
Thas still one over Iori isn't it? Iori fared even against Kyo.
as for the rest, i'll reply after cross checking.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
how am i overhyping his feat, darko?
you're asking me to proove something he never did. wtf? he never got to take on an entire cast but its been made absolutely clear that he can.-pwning Orochi
-being stronger than Geonitz
-pwning Orochi Nanakase
-and taking on the entire cast in a (not this again!) weaker state.
-oh and being a natural carrier of the power which only a percentage of was enough to pwn the entire cast of Ko95.that's all the proof i'll ever need.
No it hasn't, thats purely your speculation. And the feats your listing, we are also arguing those, you cannot use feats in question feats to validate another feat that is also under question, doing that runs the debate in circles.
#1: With a plot device
#2: Speculation, since Goenitz is demonstrated stronger at the time.
#3: With assistance.
#4: No, not weakened state, again thats your speculation based off of a vague quote in a one off battle.
#5: that statement forgets to include the skill level and natural power of Rugal, your using A>B>C logic.
Your going to need far more substance to back your claims.
Originally posted by Sado22
whatever dude....
Am I wrong? do you have a better explanation? if all Iori ever had was Orochi flames, then he coul never summon magatama at all. that makes far more sense to me than allowing two mortals to efeat an immortal planet killer... if that where the case, then Orochi is THE definitive jobber of SNK, at least the plot device argument gives some respect to Orochi, who practically carried the KOF storyline for 4 years.
Originally posted by Sado22
err....this didn't make sense to me at all.
Rugal defeated Saishu, Kyo's father, an at the time Saishu was way stronger than Kyo, Iori couln't beat Kyo at the time... it's the readed A>B>C>D logic you use so often.
Originally posted by Sado22
as for the rest, i'll reply after cross checking.~Sado
#1: With a plot device
#2: Speculation, since Goenitz is demonstrated stronger at the time.
#3: With assistance.
#4: No, not weakened state, again thats your speculation based off of a vague quote in a one off battle.
#5: that statement forgets to include the skill level and natural power of Rugal, your using A>B>C logic.
Rugal defeated Saishu, Kyo's father, an at the time Saishu was way stronger than Kyo, Iori couln't beat Kyo at the time... it's the readed A>B>C>D logic you use so often.
if all Iori ever had was Orochi flames, then he coul never summon magatama at all.
so its pretty obvious that if next to anyone can weild kusanagi and yagami flames then if the flames are kryptonite then almost anyone can defeat Orochi.
so.........no!
that makes far more sense to me than allowing two mortals to defeat an immortal planet killer... if that where the case, then Orochi is THE definitive jobber of SNK, at least the plot device argument gives some respect to Orochi, who practically carried the KOF storyline for 4 years.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22Cosigned...
my A>B>C logic darko?
really? its so funny when you say that. somehow proving to be more powerful and showing more feats and beign a natural carrier of the power that EXPLODED Rugal.........is not A>B>C logic, darko. its something that anyone would understand and realize. you're just impossibly deluded.
