WWH vs Magneto

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
To all you "Hulkamaniacs"
Riddle me this:

You think it makes sense for hulk to ever defeat blackbolt, an enigmatic thought in itself, but understand this.

and has rarely even had to call upon that power, but lets put that aside for now. Blackbolt has also NEVER exceeded a whisper in his 20+ year existance

but hyoptoethcily, how could hulk beat blackbolt if he is being shoved out of the solar system the by the sheer intensity of blackbolts voice each time? Again, blackbolt doesnt need his voice to beat hulk.The only concieveable way for hulk to beat blackbolt is for blackbolt so simply cease fighting, hence the writer himself had no clue how to logically explain hulk winning, thus SKIPPING the fight entirely. That tells you alot. Clearly no one can convince you of that, but ultimately it doesnt matter.

I apologize for elaborateing even slightly becuase this isint even what the thread is about.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
To all you "Hulkamaniacs"
Riddle me this:

You think it makes sense for hulk to ever defeat blackbolt, an enigmatic thought in itself, but understand this.

Blackbolt has never had to exceed a whisper to defeat hulk in the past, and has rarely even had to call upon that power, but lets put that aside for now. Blackbolt has also NEVER exceeded a whisper in his 20+ year existance

but hyoptoethcily, how could hulk beat blackbolt if he is being shoved out of the solar system the by the sheer intensity of blackbolts voice each time? Again, blackbolt doesnt need his voice to beat hulk.The only concieveable way for hulk to beat blackbolt is for blackbolt so simply cease fighting, hence the writer himself had no clue how to logically explain hulk winning, thus SKIPPING the fight entirely. That tells you alot. Clearly no one can convince you of that, but ultimately it doesnt matter.

I apologize for elaborateing even slightly becuase this isint even what the thread is about.

If you want to discuss the previuos encounters between BB and Hulk please pm me so we stop fouling up this thread.

Originally posted by strengthkills
BB has never had to in the PAST.Since history means a lot to you(dont take offense,im not being a smart alec),riddle me this,Why has marvel and its writers been hyping a full potential hulk for 40+ years if we never get so see one.And on top of this hes gotten a powerup on his base level strength,hes been given boundless anger and he can actually use that anger when ever he needs it through meditation.Meaning he is not a mindless brawler anymore,he can use it tactically with his newly found h2h skills(for him they are skills)and intelligence.SO all of this dictates someone who in the past has been stunned by a whisper and came back after 4 panels should be able to handle a whisper and maybe more a hell of a lot better.The only job moment in WWH will be his Fight with Dr.Strange and even then they might fight astrally or Hiroim will fight him.

If you want to discuss the previuos encounters between BB and Hulk please pm me so we stop fouling up this thread.

Despite any hyping that Marvel has been doing over the past forty years I fail to see how this correlates with Hulk Defeating BB. I find it absolutely necessary to iron out how exactly Hulk could/did defeat BB in the first place if we are to even consider this Magneto business.

Marvel can hype hulk up all they wish. A full potential Hulk in theory could be something not strong enough to withstand a scream from BB, so again I fail to understand what you mean when you use the marvel hype as grounds for hulk withstanding a full force attack from BB. Until evidence is put forth that hulk can withstand such force or something like it (he has not proven to do so, the fight between Hulk and BB is suspiciously MISSING. And I have not yet seen him withstand anything like it.)

Hulks new h2h and meditation are absolute plusses for him in a fight against BB or Magneto. His new found strength in power is also a plus. However, what does not make any sense is to say that Hulk is now invincible and invulnerable to force through his anger. I am of the opinion that his anger increases his strength not his already incredibly high durability.

"The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets”

Now if it is true that the more angry hulk gets his durability(meaning his resistance to all sorts of physical harm) increases, then I honestly have nothing to say other than nothing can defeat hulk other than BFR or some mystic magic I am unaware of. Given the previous statement is true it would mean that through his unlimited anger Hulk would be able to be unlimitedly powerful in strength and physical prowess, which would almost qualify him as some type of marvel God. Nothing would be able to harm him physically, and he would be able to harm anything infinitely so. This means he could punch Galactus and shatter him, stuff like that.

However I do not believe this is the state that WWH is in at all. And if so, well I turn my head in shame at such fantasy.

So what needs to be looked at for this battle between Magneto and Hulk is Hulks ability to be resistant to the sort of harm Magneto can inflict on him. I am unconcerned about Magneto getting thrashed because as with him being a Battle Genius, I am most certain that Magneto would not dare plan on hulk landing any sort of physical disruption on him, it would be long range fight for sure.

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One last thing, If it is true that there is a direct correlation between hulks anger and durability I ask that someone prove to me that this is a positive slope so that I may go on with my second idea of dropping all discussions of WWH entirely, due to the nonsensical nature of it all. Because as I noted above, if such a direct correlation exist, WWH is a God unable to be harmed due to no limits on strength and given that it is proven, his durability. So far in Character bio’s I have read nothing of hulks durability also increasing as his anger increases.

Note: anyone who said that Magneto can use his shield in this fight I disagree because given that his rage is boundless he can summon the strength needed to destroy the shield or pass through it.

No one answered my ****ing question.

Sons'a'bitches.

The answer was GAMMA.

Hint - friggin - hint?!?

Now the thread can die.

Originally posted by Soljer
No one answered my ****ing question.

Sons'a'bitches.

The answer was GAMMA.

Hint - friggin - hint?!?

Now the thread can die.

and die it will. 💃

Magneto covers himself in his shield and hulk kicks the shield into space.

Originally posted by whirlwind
Magneto covers himself in his shield and hulk kicks the shield into space.

O_o couldnt magneto use all the metal in the city, construct a ball all around hulk long enough to hold him and launch him into the sun or some crap.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
O_o couldnt magneto use all the metal in the city, construct a ball all around hulk long enough to hold him and launch him into the sun or some crap.

No because he has unlimited strenght and the angrier he gets, the stronger he becomes and then he will break out of the metal and kick magneto into space.

Wow, complete Blackbolt ignorance. Some of you seem to think BB's voice powers are the just a amped up version of Bashee's (r.i.p.) but they arent. They affect the target on a atomic level. Regardless of his durability, without shielding he'd be pulled apart. Kudos to whoever compared this to the Wolverine vs Lobo fight. Whether it was canon or not is irrelevent, the purpose of that comment was to show writer's block when trying to explain something happening that should never happen. Also I think Im going to be sick if I hear some nitwit spout off about "Unlimited Strength!" again. Is Dr. Strange physically powerful? No, not really. Could Hulk beat him up? HELL NO. Being able to punch things and make them break isnt the be-all end-all power in comic books. Hell the Thing is the physically strongest member of the FF but would most likely come out last in a fight between them all.
To write off Magneto's shields is a mistake. As I said, he has repelled multiple nuke attacks with them. Now assuming they can hold back the Hulk, even momentarily (which they can), thats all Magneto would to have the Hulk cut up into a dozen pieces and spread to the winds. There would be green chunks of meat landing across the river in Jersey, which really wouldnt look too out of place there.

Originally posted by SeerQris
One last thing, If it is true that there is a direct correlation between hulks anger and durability I ask that someone prove to me that this is a positive slope so that I may go on with my second idea of dropping all discussions of WWH entirely, due to the nonsensical nature of it all. Because as I noted above, if such a direct correlation exist, WWH is a God unable to be harmed due to no limits on strength and given that it is proven, his durability. So far in Character bio’s I have read nothing of hulks durability also increasing as his anger increases.

Note: anyone who said that Magneto can use his shield in this fight I disagree because given that his rage is boundless he can summon the strength needed to destroy the shield or pass through it.

Originally posted by SeerQris
One last thing, If it is true that there is a direct correlation between hulks anger and durability I ask that someone prove to me that this is a positive slope so that I may go on with my second idea of dropping all discussions of WWH entirely, due to the nonsensical nature of it all. Because as I noted above, if such a direct correlation exist, WWH is a God unable to be harmed due to no limits on strength and given that it is proven, his durability. So far in Character bio’s I have read nothing of hulks durability also increasing as his anger increases.

Note: anyone who said that Magneto can use his shield in this fight I disagree because given that his rage is boundless he can summon the strength needed to destroy the shield or pass through it.

In WWH Xmen #2Hulk states that things are different then wolverine states that it is harder to cut hulk...so he goes for the eyes

In the Marvel saga roleplaying system the hulks strength increases and so does his durability(body armor)(by one point per round)when he is angry, in the system Hulk has no limits...he can go as high as the sysytem will allow...but it would take a long time...but as it seems hulk is angrier then ever ...this is not a great use for these versus matches but i thought i would share the knowledge

Yes there could come a point where he is mad-strong and nearly invincible-but that is mostly for attacks that try and damage him....spells and such should still affect him(as well as they ever have)

Wolverine has peak human strength and razor sharp claws that can cut through any known substance (other than itself or likenesses of itself obviously) so any writing stating he cant cut through FLESH, albeit hardend flesh, is ridiculous. The dude cut Thing's face before.
Rock Skin > Muscly skin

Originally posted by redhotrash
Wolverine has peak human strength and razor sharp claws that can cut through any known substance (other than itself or likenesses of itself obviously) so any writing stating he cant cut through FLESH, albeit hardend flesh, is ridiculous. The dude cut Thing's face before.
Rock Skin > Muscly skin

It is not ridiculous. Hulk's durability increases along with his strength, it has been like that his entire career.

Hulk vs. Wolverine fight:
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http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=70877240kh7.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=92196991hl0.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=84399283zt4.jpg

Notice how he comes down, using his whole body to slash down, and does not cut through Hulk's skin. That's how much Hulk's durability has increased.

Hulk has a long history of breaking through shields that are thought to be impossible to break through. Look how fast he busted through Sue's forcefield:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkvsreedsue1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkvsreedsue2.jpg

Two punches is all it took. Her shield has held back against a Tsunami that threatened New York City, has held up against numerous powerful attacks in the past, and two base punches was all it took - and those weren't even haymakers.

Magneto still has a range advantage.

I can't see how Hulk gets a chance to physically touch Magneto.
even if they're starting off within leaping distance, Magneto's force field should guarantee at least immunity from any immediate attacks (maybe for a few seconds/minutes). enough time for Magneto to bfr Hulk, encased in whatever metals are on hand, to the moon or somewhere similarly remote so as to win via bfr.

Magneto's not fast enough to take to the air and hope to avoid/evade The Hulk's attacks, so he's really gotta go for a bfr. it's his one guaranteed method of victory.

Originally posted by janus77
I can't see how Hulk gets a chance to physically touch Magneto.
even if they're starting off within leaping distance, Magneto's force field should guarantee at least immunity from any immediate attacks (maybe for a few seconds/minutes). enough time for Magneto to bfr Hulk, encased in whatever metals are on hand, to the moon or somewhere similarly remote so as to win via bfr.

Magneto's not fast enough to take to the air and hope to avoid/evade The Hulk's attacks, so he's really gotta go for a bfr. it's his one guaranteed method of victory.

I agree, Magneto would win via BFR 9/10.

Mags couldn’t do anything to the WWH except BFR. As for BB I couldn’t say that if he could withstand a full on scream because I don’t know exactly how BB scream works but if BB did do a full scream there wouldn’t be a Moon left.