WWH vs Magneto

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Mags couldn’t do anything to the WWH except BFR. As for BB I couldn’t say that if he could withstand a full on scream because I don’t know exactly how BB scream works but if BB did do a full scream there wouldn’t be a Moon left.

BB's screem is not omnidirectional - it doesn't actually vibrate sound, it is a reaction on the molecular state, the side effect of it is sound. He can focus it in a particular direction, and that has always been the case if you read through past comics where BB was in. The only way the moon would have been destroyed would be if BB focused on the ground, which he wouldn't do as that would destroy all of the inhumans.

Originally posted by Kutulu
BB's screem is not omnidirectional - it doesn't actually vibrate sound, it is a reaction on the molecular state, the side effect of it is sound. He can focus it in a particular direction, and that has always been the case if you read through past comics where BB was in. The only way the moon would have been destroyed would be if BB focused on the ground, which he wouldn't do as that would destroy all of the inhumans.

From reading his bio on Marvel it says that he gets the electrons from the surrounding environment, if that is the case then his “scream” would be considerably less on the Moon with the lack of atmosphere.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I've just always heard that if he screamed it would destroy the planet that he was on, then again I'm not a big BB fan never really like the Inhumans.

From reading his bio on Marvel it says that he gets the electrons from the surrounding environment, if that is the case then his “scream” would be considerably less on the Moon with the lack of atmosphere.

If Blackbolt screamed at a planet, it would be destroyed. He would never do that though.

I will show some examples. In this scan he defeats Apocalypse with merely a whisper in HoM. Notice the area of destruction:
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackboltfeat16gt.gif

It is basically a cone effect. The area behind him is still intact. The actual effect that's occurring is that the electrons in between him, and in a cone shape radiating outward, become excited. The sound is merely a side effect, this is why BB's scream is different than any other sound based hero villain.

His actual power is manipulating electrons. He can use it for other effects, for example creating a containment field:
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/3350/fcont7fr.jpg

When he channels it through his vocal cords, it is merely a focus for his power in the form of a scream in it's most destructive form. For example he can use it for other things without needing to speak:
http://img227.exs.cx/img227/623/ment9bn.jpg
http://img222.exs.cx/img222/2914/mind2fu.jpg
http://img220.exs.cx/img220/663/mind26to.jpg
http://img220.exs.cx/img220/663/mind26to.jpg

His full blown scream is many times stronger than a full nuclear payload. A mere whisper can destroy a mountain range. When he uses his voice, it basically causes the electrons in the matter in a cone shape in front of him to vibrate such that it causes damage; with a full blown scream it literally rips the electrons from the outer shells of the atoms and molecules.

In the past when Hulk fought BB Hulk always lost. That just shows how much more powerful the current incarnation of Hulk is. Hulk has withstood planet shattering blows from numerous opponents; his body is far more durable than an entire planet. Gladiator got whooped, and he can easily move planets and is extremely fast as well (can easily keep up with ships in hyperspace). The first whisper BB used at Hulk was to subdue and not kill him. You can clearly see skin being ripped away from the Hulk's face and body from the first whisper and Hulk getting knocked back.

Had the fight initiated with a scream WWH would have been utterly destroyed. Since the Hulk survived the whisper though and it reminded him of the explosion which killed his wife, his anger channeled into his strength and durability, making him exponentially more strong than he was when the fight started. In addition his regenerative powers increased by the same amount, he healed from having skin ripped off his face to full health in less than a second. This angered him even more, giving him the chance to leap in and attack BB for the win.

BB does actually scream at WWH, but it does nothing as Hulk is amped.

if BB had used the scream from the off, I still doubt BB would have survived. Hulk would regenerate/heal slowly, that's all.

it took a couple of panels for Hulk to regenerate from having all his flesh seared off, and that wasn't a Hulk at a particularly angry moment.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If Blackbolt screamed at a planet, it would be destroyed. He would never do that though.

I will show some examples. In this scan he defeats Apocalypse with merely a whisper in HoM. Notice the area of destruction:
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackboltfeat16gt.gif

It is basically a cone effect. The area behind him is still intact. The actual effect that's occurring is that the electrons in between him, and in a cone shape radiating outward, become excited. The sound is merely a side effect, this is why BB's scream is different than any other sound based hero villain.

His actual power is manipulating electrons. He can use it for other effects, for example creating a containment field:
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/3350/fcont7fr.jpg

When he channels it through his vocal cords, it is merely a focus for his power in the form of a scream in it's most destructive form. For example he can use it for other things without needing to speak:
http://img227.exs.cx/img227/623/ment9bn.jpg
http://img222.exs.cx/img222/2914/mind2fu.jpg
http://img220.exs.cx/img220/663/mind26to.jpg
http://img220.exs.cx/img220/663/mind26to.jpg

His full blown scream is many times stronger than a full nuclear payload. A mere whisper can destroy a mountain range. When he uses his voice, it basically causes the electrons in the matter in a cone shape in front of him to vibrate such that it causes damage; with a full blown scream it literally rips the electrons from the outer shells of the atoms and molecules.

In the past when Hulk fought BB Hulk always lost. That just shows how much more powerful the current incarnation of Hulk is. Hulk has withstood planet shattering blows from numerous opponents; his body is far more durable than an entire planet. Gladiator got whooped, and he can easily move planets and is extremely fast as well (can easily keep up with ships in hyperspace). The first whisper BB used at Hulk was to subdue and not kill him. You can clearly see skin being ripped away from the Hulk's face and body from the first whisper and Hulk getting knocked back.

Had the fight initiated with a scream WWH would have been utterly destroyed. Since the Hulk survived the whisper though and it reminded him of the explosion which killed his wife, his anger channeled into his strength and durability, making him exponentially more strong than he was when the fight started. In addition his regenerative powers increased by the same amount, he healed from having skin ripped off his face to full health in less than a second. This angered him even more, giving him the chance to leap in and attack BB for the win.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Mags couldn’t do anything to the WWH except BFR.

Right... because it's not like Hulk emits electromagnetic (gamma) radiation so that he'd be exceptionally vulnerable to Magneto's manipulation.

Oh, wait... 🙂

Thinking outside the box usually helps, people. Magneto in a stomp.

Originally posted by batdude123
Right... because it's not like Hulk emits electromagnetic (gamma) radiation so that he'd be exceptionally vulnerable to Magneto's manipulation.

Oh, wait... 🙂

Thinking outside the box usually helps, people. Magneto in a stomp.

Go back a few pages.

I've been saying this for ages. I hope someone actually pays a little attention to it this time...

Originally posted by Soljer
Go back a few pages.

I've been saying this for ages. I hope someone actually pays a little attention to it this time...

Indeed. Common sense is a must.

Originally posted by batdude123
Indeed. Common sense is a must.

And it's pretty common sense that Apoc >>> Magneto

Originally posted by llagrok
And it's pretty common sense that Apoc >>> Magneto

Originally posted by llagrok
And it's pretty common sense that Apoc >>> Magneto

And this has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Anyway...

"Common sense" does not = "fanboy desires."

Originally posted by Tyrant
Since when?

Exactly.

Since the time Magneto ****ed Apocalypse in AoA.

No wait...

BB whispered "Enough" at Hulk. After which he was surprise attacked by Hulk.

Then in another comic a single panel recap is shown with BB's mouth open against the Hulk.

Some have seized upon this as a scream, in the same way that TricksterPriest repeatedly says that BB screamed at Apocalypse, while standing next to Cyclops, without causing damage to the milieu.

Is it wholly impossible that this is another artists interpretation of the same scene? Probably not.
Would Black Bolt scream with Medusa so nearby? Probably not.
Would he scream in such close proximity to Attilan? Probably not.
Is it possible to open one's mouth without screaming? Quite.

Anyway, Magneto wins because of his versatility.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I've just always heard that if he screamed it would destroy the planet that he was on, then again I'm not a big BB fan never really like the Inhumans.

No, he has a powerful scream to destroy a planet, if he wanted to do it, yes then he would, but he would have to scream at the planet to destroy it and not only scream at opponent and then if you think that the consequences would be to destroying the planet. No, he would have to scream to the ground or direct to the planet.

Originally posted by batdude123
"Common sense" does not = "fanboy desires."

Which is exactly what you are doing in this thread.

Can you explain how can Magneto win in a stomp and can you explain how can he stop the Hulk?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Is it wholly impossible that this is another artists interpretation of the same scene? Probably not.

First one was a whisper. The second scene was when BB screamed at him, that was when Hulk attacked him after the whisper.
Hulk said, ''I wanna hear you scream''.
Then that scan is probably that scene, BB screamed and as we know the end result, BB was defeated, so his scream didn't help at all.

Magneto wins with blood reverse.
Or just a simple toss him into space for BFR.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Can you explain how can Magneto win in a stomp and can you explain how can he stop the Hulk?

I guess they STILL didn't pay any attention, batdude. 🙁.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Which is exactly what you are doing in this thread.

Oh the delicious irony. droolio

Originally posted by Xplosive
Can you explain how can Magneto win in a stomp and can you explain how can he stop the Hulk?

Originally posted by Soljer
I guess they STILL didn't pay any attention, batdude. 🙁.

I guess not... damn. 😬

Reading comprehension is a must.

Mags should be able to toy with Hulk until he gets tired (Mags) and then resort to BFR.

Without PIS or jobbing Magneto would crush the walkin plot device.

Why dont marvel writers understand that if they wanna make the hulk the most powerfull and fearsome character on earth in a believeble way, they'd have to give him another powerset? But please no different more colours, although the yellow monster hulk shown in banner's schyzo mind was kind of cool 😗