Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why is it that people who do beleive in God think they're the expects on the subject ?
So really the only differance is where as athiests try to studyup to disprove God, Christians study up to stengthen thier faith. If anything, athiests are as spiritual terrorists. They seek only to undermine and destroy. How is that constructive?
Faith isn't something you know, it's something you feel. And no amount of reading The Bible and studying scriptures and the past can help you change that. I know how to make a chicken sandwhich, that doesn't make me a KFC employee.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
Fair enough. But we atleast have a slight edge in that we put our faith in Him.
How is that an absolute slight edge ? Some people see it as a delusion...
Originally posted by Green Arrow
Athiests go solely by what they read.
So do many Thiests. Atheists, like myself and XYZ, also go on logic, science, other religions, and other modes of reasoning as to why we don't beleive in the existance of God.
And then again, it's not God over all that I don't beleive in..I just don't beleive in the Christian-Judeo God, because that God is a violent, bigot hypocrit, like many of his followers tend to be.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
So they don't know anymore then a Christian does, because they're reading the same Bible, the same Da Vinci Code, the same programming, everything.
Untrue. I used to be Christian. I was Christian for 18 years of my life. I'm Atheist/Agnostic now, Yet I know more about Christianity than many of the Christians on these forums do ✅
Originally posted by Green Arrow
So really the only differance is where as athiests try to studyup to disprove God, Christians study up to stengthen thier faith.
Untrue 👇 and shows how little you know on the subject.
Most Atheists don't give a sh*t about the concept of God or religion in general. Atheism is simply a disbelief in God. You don't have to rant on about how God doesn't exist to be Atheist.
Christians study up ? Yeah right....most Christians select CERTAIN quotes from the Bible that promote thier own biases and enforce THOSE aspects of Christianity, while ignoring the other aspects.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
If anything, athiests are as spiritual terrorists. They seek only to undermine and destroy. How is [b]that constructive? [/B]
WTF ?
What planet do you live on ? Are you serious ? This just killed all your credibility.....you have proven your massive ignorance with this quote.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
Faith isn't something you know, it's something you feel. And no amount of reading The Bible and studying scriptures and the past can help you change that. I know how to make a chicken sandwhich, that doesn't make me a KFC employee.
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Lord Urizen, I never cared what you thought about me to begin with. My credibility? Who do I look like JFK? I'm just some guy on the net. And so are you. Get over yourself. You're not going to enlighten the masses, you're not going to "discover the truth", and you're ceartainly not going to make friends, atleast not with me popping an attitude like that.
I don't really give a crap what you think. To me, you're just another Godless butthole who wants me to conform to your belief or lack thereoff. Frankly, I think it's great God is hypocritical. I'd rather know God is capable of punishing the wicked and being a huge dick unto mortals then being incapable of justice and retribution. Why would I serve a God who would love Adolph Hitler as much as The Dalai Lama? That doesn't make sense.
But far be it for you to understand that. You continue to live in your little dream world, and I'll continue to live in mine.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
Lord Urizen, I never cared what you thought about me to begin with. My credibility? Who do I look like JFK? I'm just some guy on the net. And so are you. Get over yourself. You're not going to enlighten the masses, you're not going to "discover the truth", and you're ceartainly not going to make friends, atleast not with me popping an attitude like that.
You need to get laid bro..... 😬
Originally posted by Green Arrow
I don't really give a crap what you think. To me, you're just another Godless butthole who wants me to conform to your belief or lack thereoff. Frankly, I think it's great God is hypocritical. I'd rather know God is capable of punishing the wicked and being a huge dick unto mortals then being incapable of justice and retribution. Why would I serve a God who would love Adolph Hitler as much as The Dalai Lama? [b]That doesn't make sense.[/B]
Godless butthole 😆 😆 😆 😆
YES ! I SUCCEED ! I MAKE ANOTHER CHRISTIAN CRACK !
BTW, the Bible says God loves ALL..... 😉
You are making up your own version of God, but trying to stick to the Bible's mythology at the same time, and you are not proving successful so far ❌
Originally posted by Green Arrow
But far be it for you to understand that. You continue to live in your little dream world, and I'll continue to live in mine.
My Dream World is more fun 😛
More butt sex !!! 😄
Originally posted by Green Arrow
You will learn one day there's more to Christianity then just Christians. I'm not Christian. I defend Christianity and Jehova because it serves a purpose. I pretty much wasted my time posting my Cthulhu pic as it seems it went completely ignored..
1) Send me the link to the pic, I will look at it.
2) Christianity is a beleif system, and nothing more. Beleif Systems can only be manifested through the people who beleive, or the texts/references on which they are based.
3) Christians mean more to me than Christianity, because Christians are PEOPLE while Christianity is a mythology
Originally posted by debbiejo
We live in the realm of time. Out side of it we Can only ponder such as energy. It cannot be destroyed, and could always have been, we just don't understand it all.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What I am saying is that energy cannot be created.
Originally posted by lord xyz
No, he's saying that energy can't be created or destroyed, which, last time we checked, was one of the laws of physics.
* you're saying that energy cannot be created nor destroyed... but it does not prove that energy has no source... because it really has...
Originally posted by lord xyz
Then by your logic since Edison invented the light bulb, he is the creator, and therefore wasn't created. I don't think I see the logic in that.
* generally, Edison is a creator and he is also a creature... i'm talking about the Creator...
Originally posted by Deano
so he just appeared did he?sure.
your blind faith amuses me so.
* ms.debbiejo, mr.shakyamunison & mr.xyz offered better conversation than you... better stick to the topic... show me that you can refute my "blind" faith...
Originally posted by Deano
god is everyone. infinite. the end.
* oh, and prove it... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* that's your opinion, i respect that, but according to physics, eventhough energy cannot be created or destroyed, it still has a source... 😉
I don't understand what you mean by source. I know what you are getting at, but you are looking outside of yourself for God, and I don't think you will find it.
Re: Why did God Create Hell ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Seriously now...Does anyone else see the [b]absurdity and irrationality
of a place like Hell existing under God's watch ?Now, Regret and Shaky please do not push the idea that Hell is only in our minds, or that Hell is simply a separation from God....I am not discussing those ideas of Hell.
I am discussing the Literal Biblical Hell....ju know, the place with the lake of fire, eternal torment, demons shoving pineapples up your anus, and the like.
Now, I have heard this line of reasoning before:
Justification 1:"God is our Father. And like all good fathers, if you step out of line you have to be punished. Punishment is not done out of cruelty, it is done out of love. When you are a bad boy or a bad girl, your parents have to punish you as a way of putting you in line and making you a better person ! Punishment from God is the same way. God punishes you to make you a better person, so you can learn the right way to be and live. 😄 "
Response: Okay...1) Hell is not a temporary punishment. It is NOT a time out. According to the Bible, Hell is eternal and it is UNBEARABLE ! People in Hell will cry and beg for mercy, they will beg for a second chance, they will burn and starve without end, and God will not answer them. He will leave them there forever. What is there to learn from such an extreme punishment?
2) I dunno about you guys, but my parents would never torture me as punishment. On top of that, I would never torture my own kids as punishment for ANYTHING. Oh, but somehow, it's OKAY when God does it ? When a parent abuses thier child, they are considered unloving parents, and thier kids are taken away. Beating your kids, even verbally tormenting your kids is considered child abuse and is a crime in this country.
Now..imagine BURNING your children...wow...you'd definately get life in prison for DAT 1.....now...imagine skinning your own children alive...and not allowing them to die.
Skinning them alive, burning them in boiling water, and making it so that they are immortal and will feel this pain for all eternity....
SIMPLY because:
1) They don't obey you
2) They don't beleive everything you say
3) They are Gay
4) They hit another kid
5) They cursed at you...whatever the case.....And then on TOP OF THAT you have the AUDACITY to claim that you LOVE THEM..... 🤨
And call yourself MERCIFUL 🙄
Oh and one more thing.....you never show yourself to your children. They're not even entirely sure if you exist. You never appear to them in person, but you write them letters to assure your existance and identity. Even though they've never seen you in person, you expect them to love you and beleive everything you say....
Well, kiddies, that is what your GOD DOES ! 😄
Justification 2:"God doesn't send us to Hell. We send ourselves. When we sin, we separate ourselves from God. God doesn't want us to go, but if you listen to Satan then you will end up with him. You might not know it, but Satan tempts you all the time, and if you listen to him, and not to God, then you will go to Hell....it's your own fault, not God's. So don't blame him." 😠
Response: Okay......first of all, how can you send yourself to a place where you have no access to ? When we die, we have no control over what happens afterward. How can you send youself to a place with no definate location ?
I know where that's headed "your sins become your road"
So as for that, let me put it this way. Let's just say for arguments sake God set it up, so that to be closer to him you must obey him, but to disobey him is a one way trip to Hell, and God warned you....
Okay yes...the Bible is a warning. Fair is fair. You already heard, so you cannot claim ignorance.....okay.
Why does God allow Satan to tempt us ?
I would never allow a bully, a child molestor, a wolf, a rapist, a murderer ANYWHERE near my children. I love them enough to shield them from such dangers.
So if God really loves us, how does he allow such a Dangerous creature, as the DEVIL himself, ANYWHERE near us, whether it be physically, mentally, spiritually, whatever......
Would Christ allow a wolf near his sheep ? I doubt it....so why allow the devil near your own children when you have the power to keep him away ?
On top of that, what is the USE of Hell ? WHY ETERNAL TORMENT ?Why not Oblivion or something less dramatic ?
Is GOD A SADIST ? DOES GOD FIND ETERNAL TORTURE NECESSARY ? I THNK AFTER THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF HAVING MY FLESH TORN OFF, I'D REALIZE I WAS WRONG AND GET THE POINT ALREADY......WHY SUBJECT ME WITH AN ETERNITY TO "THINK ABOUT IT " ?
Rather harsh....and unmerficul coming from a supposedly loving God. Any human being would be tried with crimes against humanity with this bullshit. Hitler is looked up as the most evil being in history, yet all he did was MIMIC the concept of HELL.
How come it's okay when God does it ?
I don't know...can anyone here logically justify the existance of Hell as punishment ? [/B]
Okay here are some answers to your questions:
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For you have not recieved the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, where you cry, Abba, Father. Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared wih the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Romans 8:14-18
Okay, first off no one is a child of God until they exected Christ into their heart. Everyone is a creation of God but not a child of God. Second we suffer because Jesus suffered. We suffer to be more like Christ. And the short time on earth cannot compare to the time spent in Heaven...and sadly some shall go to hell. No child of God shall be cast into the fires of hell. Only those who never did.
Also...
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me. But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 14:30-31
Three times Jesus calls Satan "the prince of the world". The present world system organized upon the principles of force, greed, selfishness, ambition, and sinful pleasure is his work. In His own time, God's full judgment will come upon Satan and the absolute, undivided sovereignty of God over His whole universe will be restored.
And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worth of me.
Matthew 10:38
Also for every temptation Satan tempts us with God gives us a way out. Sometimes we choose not to take the exit. It is not God's fault but the fault of man. For God has given a way out of temptation and most of the time it is behind us but most of the time we do not seek a way out of temptation.
And why reward those who are sinful and unclean? God shall not allow sin to enter into his kingdom. God has sent his warning in his word and those who do not heed his warning are blinded by sin. And how dare you compare the Lord my God with Hitler!
Hitler killed because he felt the German race was superior over all other. God punishes not the righteous man but the one who doesn't expect the Son.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life.
John 3:16
God has given his only Son for us. Those who refuse do not deserve Heaven. No one deserves Heaven in fact but it is by the grace of God that those saved by Christ can be saved from damnation and brought up to salvation.
peejayd u cant ask me for proof. the burden of proof is on you
think about it. think real real real hard. religion is not the answer. never has been.
i can understand that you fear what will happen to you when you die, and you choose a religion to help you. but there is nothing to fear. you cannot die. we are infinite conciousness
religions are there to discourage consciousness from seeing beyond the program because they are focused on one predominant belief or goal. its obvious, you just have to let go of fear.
The Matrix loves religions. They are the diversions that hold consciousness in the headlights of an oncoming fairytale. Which fairytale you choose to believe doesn't much matter so long as you buy into one of them and, of course, your DNA is always there to guide you. The idea is to keep you focused on one obsession so you don't see the guy at the stove preparing the gravy.
if you want a book i can email u one. it just shows religion for what it really is.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=394232
check out that thread aswell
Originally posted by Green Arrow
I was talking to a good friend of mine Sue about this topic:She's an actual Christian, (over me who just defends them valiantly.) and she says that The Bible doesn't say God created hell, only banished Lucifer and the other fallen angels to it.
So Hell exsisted prior.
That makes no sense at all.
Originally posted by Green Arrow
I was talking to a good friend of mine Sue about this topic:She's an actual Christian, (over me who just defends them valiantly.) and she says that The Bible doesn't say God created hell, only banished Lucifer and the other fallen angels to it.
So Hell exsisted prior.
I agree with Capt. That does make 0 sense.