Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yea...its not like Superman couldnt vibrate intangible like flash right through those punches.Or HV BA...we've seen what that does to him...and it aint pretty.
And he tends to do this alot when punches are thrown his way? I think superman wins this yes but it wont be easy at all.
I don't get the notion about Sun amped Superman vs Teth being a stomp in the aliens favor.
It would only be a stomp if the entire fight took place in front of the sun or in the sun.
Superman gets his amp, Teth gets his powerup, and it goes clearly into Supermans favor?
Why?
Not to mention Teth is likely to kill off rip, and that makes him more dangerous.
And lol at a pissed Superman still beating a Teth with an upgrade.
We've never seen Superman out perform Teth in a direct comparison, so they should be taken as the equals they're said to be.
So why would a Superman who's in a tizzy, beat an Adam with a powerup?
Sense isn't present here.
HMMMMMM, could someone show me a scan of Black Adam Speedblitzing? i cant seem to find one?
Ever since i came here when supes is in a close battle with someone from at his level...speedblitz is called upon for the win...and where is the superman speedblitz? like all other threads i would like to see a speedblitz from adam...not that there is not one...i just cant find it?
Untill i see one i will give this to superman for the win..
Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't get the notion about Sun amped Superman vs Teth being a stomp in the aliens favor.It would only be a stomp if the entire fight took place in front of the sun or in the sun.
Superman gets his amp, Teth gets his powerup, and it goes clearly into Supermans favor?
Why?
Not to mention Teth is likely to kill off rip, and that makes him more dangerous.
And lol at a pissed Superman still beating a Teth with an upgrade.
We've never seen Superman out perform Teth in a direct comparison, so they should be taken as the equals they're said to be.
So why would a Superman who's in a tizzy, beat an Adam with a powerup?
Sense isn't present here.
Do you really call Isis an upgrade? She failed miserably.
She was supposed to be more powerful than Adam originally.
Then...
An alligator surpassed her healing power, some forgetable standard thugs nearly killed her, and she died to disease.
Hell, she couldn't even heal Osiris. Adam had to do it by giving up a portion of his own power..which is what he got back.
Some powerup. She was a disgrace.
And LOL at the direct comparison thing...what a copout.
How many times has Superman gone up against the world bloodlusted? Never since that's not his thing.
What top tiers has Adam taken out that Superman hasn't or can't?
And Teth better use that lightning wisely...if he messes up...it's curtains for him. Like it almost was for CM when Shazam had to save him.
Anyways... Supes wins here.
Better stats, at least marginally, and more skill with his power demonstrated, then what I've seen from BA, IMO.
That, and it's not like WW3 didn't have it's PIS elements to it.
The main difference between that and WWH, was that it was faster, and had more badassery to distract people from the PIS.
Whatevs.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Do you really call Isis an upgrade? She failed miserably.She was supposed to be more powerful than Adam originally.
Then...
An alligator surpassed her healing power, some forgetable standard thugs nearly killed her, and she died to disease.
Hell, she couldn't even heal Osiris. Adam had to do it by giving up a portion of his own power..which is what he got back.
Some powerup. She was a disgrace.
And LOL at the direct comparison thing...what a copout.
How many times has Superman gone up against the world bloodlusted? Never since that's not his thing.
What top tiers has Adam taken out that Superman hasn't or can't?
And Teth better use that lightning wisely...if he messes up...it's curtains for him. Like it almost was for CM when Shazam had to save him.
I've never seen Superman handle one GL the way Adam ran through three.
Not to mention Alan Scott.
And it's not a copout.
Cap and Teth are equals, and Cap and Superman are presented as equals.
Until we see a showing where they cannot compare, say..OWAWish or KOTW, it's only logical to say they're equals.
And it doesn't make it weak when Adam is normally powered by 6 gods, but during WW3, he was powered by seven.
That is a powerup.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I've never seen Superman handle one GL the way Adam ran through three.Not to mention Alan Scott.
And it's not a copout.
Cap and Teth are equals, and Cap and Superman are presented as equals.
Until we see a showing where they cannot compare, say..OWAWish or KOTW, it's only logical to say they're equals.
And it doesn't make it weak when Adam is normally powered by 6 gods, but during WW3, he was powered by seven.
That is a powerup.
I've never seen Adam run through Gogs, armies of bizarros, Spacefleets, Superman robot armies, or Probes like that either. The times Superman has run through heros, he's never been bloodlusted...and that makes ALL the difference in the world.
What Adam needs to do bloodlusted, Superman can do while slightly annoyed.
I've never seen Adam defeat DS one on one at least once. No matter how mad he is..Teth never will either.
Closest comparison we get is Superboy prime. The one who pimpslapped Teth like nothing. Now comparing that when he fought Superman...Supes was bathed in both red sunlight AND surrounded by Kryptonite that only affected him... we get somewhat of a comparison.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've never seen Adam run through Gogs, armies of bizarros, Spacefleets, Superman robot armies, or Probes like that either. The times Superman has run through heros, he's never been bloodlusted...and that makes ALL the difference in the world.What Adam needs to do bloodlusted, Superman can do while slightly annoyed.
I've never seen Adam defeat DS one on one at least once. No matter how mad he is..Teth never will either.
Closest comparison we get is Superboy prime. The one who pimpslapped Teth like nothing. Now comparing that when he fought Superman...Supes was bathed in both red sunlight AND surrounded by Kryptonite that only affected him... we get somewhat of a comparison.
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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've never seen Adam run through Gogs, armies of bizarros, Spacefleets, Superman robot armies, or Probes like that either. The times Superman has run through heros, he's never been bloodlusted...and that makes ALL the difference in the world.What Adam needs to do bloodlusted, Superman can do while slightly annoyed.
I've never seen Adam defeat DS one on one at least once. No matter how mad he is..Teth never will either.
Closest comparison we get is Superboy prime. The one who pimpslapped Teth like nothing. Now comparing that when he fought Superman...Supes was bathed in both red sunlight AND surrounded by Kryptonite that only affected him... we get somewhat of a comparison.
But we never saw him take on those people Avy.
We can't say how he would do, if we've never seen him in those situations.
I go by direct comparisons.
Superman can take GLs, but he can also be dropped by GLs.
Adam has taken it to GLs and GL types en masse.
One point for Adam.
Adam torn the head of Amazo off, Superman hasn't........one point for Adam?
Direct comparisons are where it's at friend.
And the closest comparison is sbp....
But it's misleading to use him as an example, since when Superman fought him, it was basically a man in the prime of his life vs a teenager.
They were humans, basically.
Adam faced a full powered SBP and got booted for his troubles, whereas Superman faced an irate teenager.
Not the same and shame on you for trying to pass it off as viable evidence.
Amazing really.
Martian Manhunter himself stated many of them were faster, stronger and more powerful. The difference was that they were not aiming to kill, unlike Teth. Now in my honest opinion Superman is worthy of being considered stronger, faster and more powerful. In this match he will be all out killing. It does not look pretty. And Avalon made a good point about Jonn's martian vision and how it ****ed Teth. I can't even begin to imagine what Superman's bloodlusted heat vision will do to him.
What does heat vision to to the likes of Adam and Cap? Everytime ive seen them get it, it didnt really seem to do damage at all. There was an instance Avy(i think) brought up. What instance was that?
As for this fight, i think its even. What is it that T-Vo does exactly? And would that be a likely tactic for Superman in this, or most fights? I know, i know. Before anyone says that Supes has done it on multiple occasions, i still wouldnt consider it a common tactic like fighting at super speeds, heat vision or ice breath.
Im calling it a tie until im swayed.
In Superboy Prime's post above, it ws stated that MM said that some of the combatants going against Adam were stronger or faster or more powerful. I agree with the more powerful part to a degree. I also agree with more faster part to a degree. But who there was stronger than him? Combat wise, besides Flash not many were faster than him. Powerwise, many of their powers wouldnt be able to hold or stop him anyways.
5/5 imo.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't get the notion about Sun amped Superman vs Teth being a stomp in the aliens favor.It would only be a stomp if the entire fight took place in front of the sun or in the sun.
Superman gets his amp, Teth gets his powerup, and it goes clearly into Supermans favor?
Why?
Not to mention Teth is likely to kill off rip, and that makes him more dangerous.
And lol at a pissed Superman still beating a Teth with an upgrade.
We've never seen Superman out perform Teth in a direct comparison, so they should be taken as the equals they're said to be.
So why would a Superman who's in a tizzy, beat an Adam with a powerup?
Sense isn't present here.
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