Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Canon? Yes.PIS? Yes.
BFR is a win.
But it is the means of how Juggernaut was BFRed which was PIS.
I am not taking sides, that fight was exactly what it was BS, more people than we know were unsatisfied with the outcome, and why it wasn't continued for another issue in the X-Men.
Momentum was on the Hulks side, as well as his ability to fight better, which only means that Bruce is more imaginative than Cain by a landslide.
Momentum was what King Hulk used against Cain, as we see him slap him on the back which adds to the direction in which he was going, I'm just wondering how he wasn't sent flying into another state.
King Hulk did win that fight making it 1-0, because the first beatdown can't be counted Cain wasn't really the Juggernaut when he got stomped into concrete, he was only Cain Marko 70 tonner and decreasing.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Not low levels, if we were to go with Lou who defeated Lobo in Lobo's Back, and compare him to Superman Lou was found lacking, yet he beat Lobo.Lobo is inconsistant and his high silly feats make no sense whatsoever, do you think that there isn't enough power in heaven to stop Superman? Superman one pieced Lobo.
I say that debates that involve Lobo need to be ones that he is comparable to other heros, because as I said before his mini's often put him on the level of conceptual beings, yet when he faces characters like Despero who is no where near said level, he's seen being tossed miles away, or struggling against Captain Marvel, or getting beaten to a pulp by an eclipsed Superman.... but wait a minute didn't Captain Marvel hold out against an eclipsed Superman?
In his first mini self titled Lobo, he is seen reeling from a sledge hammer assault, and the guy weilding the weapon was only human, cut by a ripper so deep that it was apparent that he was hurt. This is certainly not someone that is capable of facing a guy capable of shifting a continent.
As I said, not the low feats, but the feats that shows how he measures up to guys like Superman, Despero, Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman, Darkseid... etc...etc.
Just trying to get this back on track
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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Not low levels, if we were to go with Lou who defeated Lobo in Lobo's Back, and compare him to Superman Lou was found lacking, yet he beat Lobo.Lobo is inconsistant and his high silly feats make no sense whatsoever, do you think that there isn't enough power in heaven to stop Superman? Superman one pieced Lobo.
I say that debates that involve Lobo need to be ones that he is comparable to other heros, because as I said before his mini's often put him on the level of conceptual beings, yet when he faces characters like Despero who is no where near said level, he's seen being tossed miles away, or struggling against Captain Marvel, or getting beaten to a pulp by an eclipsed Superman.... but wait a minute didn't Captain Marvel hold out against an eclipsed Superman?
In his first mini self titled Lobo, he is seen reeling from a sledge hammer assault, and the guy weilding the weapon was only human, cut by a ripper so deep that it was apparent that he was hurt. This is certainly not someone that is capable of facing a guy capable of shifting a continent.
As I said, not the low feats, but the feats that shows how he measures up to guys like Superman, Despero, Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman, Darkseid... etc...etc.
Lobo would never be able to create a device in time for him to use anything before King Hulk got to him, let's remember that the Hulk is capable of overtaking fighter jets when he is leaping.... so when you factor in the distance at which they are apart at the start of the battle there simply wouldn't be enough time for this type of situation.
the inconsistencies is why we use the characters at their best showings
and I never said lobo would build somethin to take out hulk, only that hes smarter than hulk, stronger, faster, more durable, and immortal.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxJuggernaut may not have had forward momentum, but Juggernaut had committed a great deal of forward pressure when he tried to push against WWH. But he couldn't move forward, because WWH stopped him. All that force was diverted straight down into the X-Mansion's foundations. Once WWH stepped aside and slapped him on the back, the obstacle stopping all that forward pressure was freed. And yes, WWH did halt the Juggernaut's advance:
First of all, it was a totally different Juggs WWH beat the first time.Juggernaut didn't even get to build any momentum when pushing against WWH, and then WWH sidestepped him, and Juggernaut ran a full 20-30 feet, during which time, he apparently could not stop running. Wow. 馃槓
It is called CONTEXT.
Doesn't mean he wins this fight however. The Main Man wins.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Juggernaut may not have had forward momentum, but Juggernaut had committed a great deal of forward pressure when he tried to push against WWH. But he couldn't move forward, because WWH stopped him. All that force was diverted straight down into the X-Mansion's foundations. Once WWH stepped aside and slapped him on the back, the obstacle stopping all that forward pressure was freed. And yes, WWH did halt the Juggernaut's advance:Doesn't mean he wins this fight however. The Main Man wins.
While I agree with the outcome of the battle (Lobo wins) that same feat has been done by cement if I remember correctly when Spidey defeated Juggs.
It's not all that impressive in other words. Had Juggy and WWH been put in an indestructable cage. It would quickly have been a wrap for Hulk.