That man is no better than Duncan, he's just white.
Oh...I get it.
Kingpin is about two or three times King Kong Bundy's size, and is pure muscle. Does anyone know anybody who could do that? No.
"Contrary to all appearances, most of his body mass is actually muscle that has been built to extraordinary size, much like a sumo wrestler and he is almost as strong as it is physically possible for a 'normal' human to be. The Kingpin is a master of many forms of armed and unarmed combat, particularly sumo, jujutsu, and hapkido. He is an extraordinarily skilled martial artist, especially in sumo wrestling, and is an experienced bodybuilder.".
Yes, King Kong Bundy. Some people...
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI asked YOU how accurate the movie was as far as who Blade is, remember?
Whistler? Never actually picked up, or read, a single Blade comic in your entire life, have you?Again, who are you to argue how accurate a movie is to the source when you don't know the source?
A good actor can play a good part in a shit movie. De Niro proves that.Well, its Deniro, man.
Why? He doesn't look, sound, act or appear to be anything like Juggernaut. Bob Sapp has way more in common.You demanded an answer, you got one.
Skin tone? That element you say you don't pay attention to? Yeah.Hmm?
What? I didn't say he wasn't white, I asked if, due to the variation of races, there was a possiblility he could easily have been white, and he clearly could have.And he was white, where are you going with this? He was white, we all know that, but he could just as easily have been black.
Why post? You proved you have no relevant or credible opinion on the argument of comic movie adaptations being accurate.You are basing this entire conversation on comics, arent you? You are like a basketball player with no left hand.
So it was ok for a black man to play a white man's voice? Hypocrite.Hardly a hypocrite. If Vader had been played by a black man, THEN I'd be a hypocrite.
Because you did previously, to avoid giving me such a hypocritical true answer, but you did, after multiple askings.You are quite the dweller, I see.
Do you insist on getting more and more irrelevant? Are you that hard up for ideas and points? You suggested it's only ever done for the money, it's not, fact.So if you are a high exec with Dimension films, you decide which movies get made, and I come to you with a script, and you are convinced although it is a good story but will make no money, you would still give it the green light?
Excellent, so you prove my point. His background and character portrayal would matter instead of skin tone.He was an original character, never before seen, race wasnt an issue. If they were to make a Mace Windu movie, then yes, it'd have to be a black man playing him.
You clearly suggested Superman Returns made no money cos it was made with the love of the character in mind first. I proved you wrong, an "I admit it." would suffice.No, as I said, I took what you said as the director passing on a movie that would make alot of money in order to do Supes. When I said Supes made no money, that was sarcasm, but I can tell you are gonna ignore that.
I was curious how well your little "Must be 100% accurate." argument would hold up against one of your favourite characters who isn't 100% accurate.I said "as close to 100% accurate as possible."
Yes, preferred by "fans", not NEEDED for the character. Please don't make me explain it again. You're an adult, learn.And the fans are who the movies are made for, why cant you see that? Why do you think movies have sex scenes and gun battles and epic duels in them? Cuz thats what we wanna see.
White men can't have afros? Why are you descending further into pathetically irrelevant statements? Do you just like to prolong things so you can feel involved?Did you miss the part where I said BLACK comic hero?
It didn't because you are a dodger who will do anything to prolong his involvement in a post, then go on to a debate in future and accuse someone else of the same.👇
That's why you brought up a black civil rights leader from the past? Do you ever, honestly, get tired of being shown up? Does it never occur to you to, just once, save some face and dignity?You havent shown me up, you only have a different opinion on the matter than I do. And dont speak to me of dignity, man. You are the one losing his temper and going out of his way to pump his pride.
And who are you to say this isn't accurate or whatever? You wouldn't know that, you don't read comics. That's one thing I keep getting stumped on. Just who you think you are to say how accurate characters like Blade are, when you believe Whistler, a character created for the non-canonical cartoon and movie, is part of his true backstory, when he isn't even in the comics.What the hell does the way Cyclops died have to do with Blades backstory?
If you have to ask, why are you, in the first place, suggesting it's not accurate? Why not ask FIRST? It doesn't work that way if you are logical.I know Blade is black in the comics and should be portrayed by a black man, otherwise the movie is not true to the comic.
To the visuals that we know of, it has no bearing on the characters, fact. Don't debate comics characters with me, RJ. Perhaps just read the non-existent Whistler appearances.It has no bearing on who they are as a person, but it certainly has bearing on what they look like, on what the fans have grown accustomed to.
It would have no bearing on what is depicted accurately though, just visually. Character is more important, and that would not suffer with a different raced character in Spider-Man or Blade's cases, fact.You honestly think that had Blade been cast white, that the Blade fanbase would have continued on without missing a beat?
Who brought Blade, Batman and Wolverine into this? You.True, and I am merely stating that they are seen a certain way, by millions around the world, and to change that is not always in the filmmakers best interest.
So? It's still not 100% accurate to the visuals they gave fans.I will speak slowly and clearly.....AS CLOSE TO 100% ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE........get it? got it? good.Make up your mind.
I'll explain what he meant.I didnt really pay attention to what he said, I tend to block out useless mumbo jumbo.You said that movie adaptations from books or comics should be 100% accurate when compared to the source, that's almost never gonna happen, hasn't happened yet. So if you know this, he said, why even suggest live-action movies of these source materials should be made?
Your very irrelevant answer was, "Because they make money.". You do not see why this is stupid?
You really did not get anything he said.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomYou asked why live action movies are made, I gave you an answer. Its all about money.
No, you didn't. You just made a random, unrelated point, failing to grasp the meaning of the post you quoted, as usual.
If its not all about money, or at least mostly about money, then whats it about?
Originally posted by Bardock42For the record, the casting for Sin City, as far as I can tell, was dead on.
They don't have any obligation. They should make a good movie. Whether it is a piece for piece adaptation like Sin City or just a good, fun movie like Punisher (imo) doesn't matter...it should just be good. Otherwise I won't pay. They don't actually have an obligation to anyone, but the owner of the character.
I refuse to continue this, because you're factually an idiot.
Originally posted by Rogue JediI didnt really pay attention to what he said, I tend to block out useless mumbo jumbo.
Hahahaha. I get it now. You just do stuff then accuse others of it, for fun, on the back of having nothing of note to say. Would be better in the OTF, but yeah.
I get it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I asked YOU how accurate the movie was as far as who Blade is, remember?
It's precisely for all of these reasons that I find it odd how you even begin to feel you can judge how accurate a comic to movie adaptation is.
You cannot, with any credibility, do so.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You demanded an answer, you got one.
It rendered everything you said prior, useless. So well done, you ended yourself.
In anticipation for your next reply asking me how it ended you:
Because you claim that someone should look and act the part. Instead of choosing someone who'd do that much better, over Vinnie Jones, who was arguably the worst cast actor in history of comic book movies, you would choose him, simply because he's white. He doesn't embody or express anything Juggernaut possesses, so what happened to being accurate? Bob Sapp is more accurate. Oh, you're a Vinnie Jones fan. Biased.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hmm?
That's why you decided on Vinnie Jones, and why you rendered yourself a hypocrite with no credibility.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And he was white, where are you going with this? He was white, we all know that, but he could just as easily have been black.
So why did you say "How would you feel if Luke had been black?"? I'd have felt...like he could easily have been black, so it wouldn't matter. Stop shooting yourself in the foot.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are basing this entire conversation on comics, arent you? You are like a basketball player with no left hand.
And you're like a runner with no legs, which is worse.
We can base it on books, like Interview with the Vampire, which changed the characters and wasn't 100% accurate, but you didn't care.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hardly a hypocrite. If Vader had been played by a black man, THEN I'd be a hypocrite.
No, it still pretty much works. I'v explained why, won't be doing so again.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are quite the dweller, I see.
*Yawn*, why not just walk away?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So if you are a high exec with Dimension films, you decide which movies get made, and I come to you with a script, and you are convinced although it is a good story but will make no money, you would still give it the green light?
High execs are there specifically just to make money, so it's a null point. If you asked me if I was a director, it would be a different story. If it would leave me in dangerous debt, then no, as a director I wouldn't, but I'd try to do it on a smaller scale, maybe independent. If I truly wanted to make it, somehow, I would.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He was an original character, never before seen, race wasnt an issue. If they were to make a Mace Windu movie, then yes, it'd have to be a black man playing him.
It wouldn't have to, according to his backstory, since it doesn't specify. You mean for you to enjoy it or take it seriously, he'd have to be black.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, as I said, I took what you said as the director passing on a movie that would make alot of money in order to do Supes. When I said Supes made no money, that was sarcasm, but I can tell you are gonna ignore that.
It's not me ignoring it, it's you weaselling out of what you said, but whatever. it's your word against mine. No need to keep back and forth.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I said "as close to 100% accurate as possible."
I believe it's better to get a character 100% accurate than half right for the sacrifice of looks, since I go there to be dragged into the story, not stare at a man's skin.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And the fans are who the movies are made for, why cant you see that? Why do you think movies have sex scenes and gun battles and epic duels in them? Cuz thats what we wanna see.
The fans are 100%, definitely, all the time, who the movies are made for? They might be a big part, but they are not necessarily all of it.
Also, it's disturbing to think people might be adapting books or comics for people like you who've probably never read the source material. You obviously became a fan of Fight Club, Blade etc. You've never read either. So it's obviously not just for fans.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did you miss the part where I said BLACK comic hero?
So, you're asking me...if someone wrote a story that was specified to be about a black man, could a white man play it? Why would you ask such a stupid question? I have said countless times, unless race is specified or integral, it won't matter.
If it is specified, as in that case, it should remain.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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Just spitting facts.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You havent shown me up, you only have a different opinion on the matter than I do. And dont speak to me of dignity, man. You are the one losing his temper and going out of his way to pump his pride.
I'm far from losing my temper, I am very amused and rather puzzled. It's not opinion, really, in much of this. You don't have a valid opinion, because you're judging shit you haven't read.
Regarding skin tone being important, that's opinion, cos it's subjective whether we need it correct or not.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What the hell does the way Cyclops died have to do with Blades backstory?
I said you wouldn't know if it's an accurate depiction of how he'd die or not, because you don't read comics, then went on to cite that fact.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know Blade is black in the comics and should be portrayed by a black man, otherwise the movie is not true to the comic.
The movie isn't true to the comic now. It's basically just a movie with a guy called Blade, and his mother is bitten by Deacon Frost. That's it. It ends there. The rest is entirely different from the comics.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It has no bearing on who they are as a person, but it certainly has bearing on what they look like, on what the fans have grown accustomed to.
So? We're not DISCUSSING that. We're discussing what's necessary to the character, not the fan.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You honestly think that had Blade been cast white, that the Blade fanbase would have continued on without missing a beat?
Considering he has had fans since 1973, I'd say so.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
True, and I am merely stating that they are seen a certain way, by millions around the world, and to change that is not always in the filmmakers best interest.
They know what is in their best interests. I'm not stupid enough to feel that because I love characters I grew up with, and still share now, that they have some obligation toward me. They can do what they want. The fact that most Marvel movies haven't deviated TOO far is very respectful.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I will speak slowly and clearly.....AS CLOSE TO 100% ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE........get it? got it? good.
Ha...haha. This from the man who needs everything explained eight times, by different people.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I didnt really pay attention to what he said, I tend to block out useless mumbo jumbo.
Then why reply with an idiotic comment? Just ignore it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No answer? Thats what I thought.Movie making=$$$$$$
Why do you think actors like Bruce Willis make such outlandish salaries?
End of story.
What are you on about? Do you genuinely not see why your reply is entirely irrelevant to what his original point was? You either care enough to reply, or you don't, but don't be an even bigger idiot by continuing to reply, claiming not to care, and still getting it wrong.
And honestly, look, do yourself a favour. If you're going to reply, cut out the senseless and pointless bs. You're wasting your time and mine.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThe only other thing I really remember from the few comic pics I saw, besides him being black, was that he had a bandolier with wooden stakes, and didnt he wear a blue bodysuit? Its been years since I have seen a comic pic. Wasnt he like 6'5 and shit?The movie isn't true to the comic now. It's basically just a movie with a guy called Blade, and his mother is bitten by Deacon Frost. That's it. It ends there. The rest is entirely different from the comics.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
For the record, the casting for Sin City, as far as I can tell, was dead on.
Well, depends what you mean with dead on. If you mean it was an excellent cast then yes. If you mean that all looked like they looked in the comics, then no. Rosario Dawson happened to be quite black.