surtur vs depowered tyrant

Originally posted by celestialdemon
No, Tyrant cried out in pain in the second scan. So he was hurt. Thanos never got close to that against Odin.

Again, how much power the orb contained is speculation. It didn't have Morg's power. Tyrant gave Morg back his power when Thanos and co. invaded.

Tyrant just trying to test Thanos' power is false. Tyrant was mad that Thanos tried to challenge him in the first place. After the planet was destroyed, Tyrant was surprised Thanos was still alive. So, he obviously was out to kill him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Depowered Tyrant, yes, FP Tyrant goes beyond skyfather level.

its that simple.

Originally posted by llagrok
It wasn't a powerup, he used it as a god damn weapon. There's a huge difference. Thanos didn't stand a chance against Odin either, he was losing both battles.

Here's a fact though. Thanos was sent flying and knocked down when facing Odin, he was capable of standing up to Tyrant. All your statements are based on speculations.

So ur saying that this was really the orb vs. Tyrant instead of Thanos? Could it be possible that Thanos was just using the orbs power as u say because he knew he didn't stand a chance with his own? I gave him the benefit of a doubt and said he combined his own power with it. Anyway I'm dropping the orb debate because we don't know how much power it really contained.

Tyrant's HV sent Thanos flying as well. He stood up to Tyrant for a while but we all know where this fight was headed had it continued.

Originally posted by Sundipped
So ur saying that this was really the orb vs. Tyrant instead of Thanos? Could it be possible that Thanos was just using the orbs power as u say because he knew he didn't stand a chance with his own? I gave him the benefit of a doubt and said he combined his own power with it. Anyway I'm dropping the orb debate because we don't know how much power it really contained.

Tyrant's HV sent Thanos flying as well. He stood up to Tyrant for a while but we all know where this fight was headed had it continued.

I never claimed that Thanos would be capable of defeating Tyrant on his own.

However,Tyrant was surprised over the fact that Thanos survived his attacks and was obviously trying very hard. Odin ASKED Thanos if he gave up, meaning that he tried to make Thanos yield and not kill him. Why else would he ask if Thanos gave up? Either way, this isn't Tyrant vs Odin, it's Tyrant vs Surtur.

Originally posted by Sundipped
So ur saying that this was really the orb vs. Tyrant instead of Thanos? Could it be possible that Thanos was just using the orbs power as u say because he knew he didn't stand a chance with his own? I gave him the benefit of a doubt and said he combined his own power with it. Anyway I'm dropping the orb debate because we don't know how much power it really contained.

Tyrant's HV sent Thanos flying as well. He stood up to Tyrant for a while but we all know where this fight was headed had it continued.

Originally posted by quanchi112
no depowerd tyrant was still kicking big g's ass in silver surfer 108. odin couldnt beat up on galactus. i dont believe he could. tyrant only lost to the un in his depowered state. tyrant would beat odin.

its that simple.

yeah but wasn't that because he is able to steal power. There is a specific reason, or skill of Tyrant which allowed him to handle G, and it wouldn't work on Odin.

Originally posted by llagrok
I never claimed that Thanos would be capable of defeating Tyrant on his own.

However,Tyrant was surprised over the fact that Thanos survived his attacks and was obviously trying very hard. Odin ASKED Thanos if he gave up, meaning that he tried to make Thanos yield and not kill him. Why else would he ask if Thanos gave up? Either way, this isn't Tyrant vs Odin, it's Tyrant vs Surtur.

I don't think Tyrant tried hard at all. Look at what happened after the explosion. Thanos was visibly scarred while Tyrant still looked fresh with no scars. If Tyrants invulnerability is on that much a higher level then his power is also. After the first blast Thanos gave, that was when Tyrant said "you are not like the others" then he proceded to test Thanos's strength by allowing Thanos to get a couple shots in (IMHO). After that the assault was quickly brought to a halt. Odin being a good guy gave Thanos a choice. Thanos knew he only had 1 choice vs. Tyrant.

Ur right this is Tyrant vs. Surtur and I'm not trying to get too far off topic. I'm still going with Tyrant.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
THIS is a blast doing nothing.

This scan should end all debate. I mean he takes a simultaneous shot from SS and Thanos, and it doesn't do anything to him. Thanos' durability feat in the subsequent scans was awesome, but Odin wasn't even flinching at his attacks,

Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't think Tyrant tried hard at all. Look at what happened after the explosion. Thanos was visibly scarred while Tyrant still looked fresh with no scars. If Tyrants invulnerability is on that much a higher level then his power is also. After the first blast Thanos gave, that was when Tyrant said "you are not like the others" then he proceded to test Thanos's strength by allowing Thanos to get a couple shots in (IMHO). After that the assault was quickly brought to a halt. Odin being a good guy gave Thanos a choice. Thanos knew he only had 1 choice vs. Tyrant.

Ur right this is Tyrant vs. Surtur and I'm not trying to get too far off topic. I'm still going with Tyrant.

I haven't seen Tyrant display any particular resistance to magic. There's also a reason why Odin always has to lock Surtur away instead of killing him.

Tyrant has in fact been injured by terrax

Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok before we get too far off topic, I think it's safe to say that Thanos came up on the short end of the stick in both battles.

Agreed

Originally posted by Sundipped
His battle with Tyrant included some sort of power boost (how much is not known but it's still a boost).

Again, no evidence whatsoever that it powered up Thanos. Neither he nor Tryant nor the writer give any indication that it is. So stating otherwise is speculation.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Could Thanos have earned a legitimate stalemate or clear cut victory if he had the p-up against Odin? Debateble.

Considering Thanos was doing absolutely no damage to Odin, and Odin wasn't using most of his arsenal against Thanos, I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
All I know is that Tyrant was not hurt in the least in the last panel of their fight. Without the orb Thanos would have gotten clobbered for sure. Unlike what happened in his fight with Odin.

Thanos got beat down in his fight with Odin just like he did with Tyrant. Neither were hurt at the end of each battle. But Tyrant was hurt during the fight. Odin was not.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Tyrant-17.jpg

Hell, even Ganymede and Terrax can hurt Tyrant.

Originally posted by llagrok
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Tyrant-17.jpg

Hell, even Ganymede and Terrax can hurt Tyrant.

That was complete BS to me. An enraged Surfer cosmic blast(s) didn't do anything and Stormbreaker bounced off him like he got hit playing dodgeball. I guess the villian has to show some sort of vulnerability. Can't have him just completely walk all over all the heroes like he just about did.

Originally posted by llagrok
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Tyrant-17.jpg

Hell, even Ganymede and Terrax can hurt Tyrant.

unless we find out tyrant is allergic to odin hes not killing him. tyrant wins.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Agreed

Again, no evidence whatsoever that it powered up Thanos. Neither he nor Tryant nor the writer give any indication that it is. So stating otherwise is speculation.

Considering Thanos was doing absolutely no damage to Odin, and Odin wasn't using most of his arsenal against Thanos, I highly doubt it.

Thanos got beat down in his fight with Odin just like he did with Tyrant. Neither were hurt at the end of each battle. But Tyrant was hurt during the fight. Odin was not.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
ur argument has no basis. its all speculation. odin wasnt going all out. why wouldnt he be. why did he step in. he knows the titans reputation. he wouldnt take chances. unless ur argument changes and says odins dumb as hell. he wouldnt give thanos an inch. he didnt but it faile dto put thanos down. ho wmany times did odin think thanos was dead.

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Why wouldn't Odin be going all out? I don't know. But I do know that Odin gave Thanos the chance to give up. I also know that Odin's first attack wasn't nearly as strong as his other ones. So, it seems to me like he was trying to subdue Thanos and give him the chance to give up instead of kill him.

How many times did Odin think Thanos was dead? Once. Just like Tyrant did. Jumpy

some people are selling surtur way short here,surtur takes the Majority 6/10 imo.and depowered tyrant should be at skyfather level not transcendent.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Why wouldn't Odin be going all out? I don't know. But I do know that Odin gave Thanos the chance to give up. I also know that Odin's first attack wasn't nearly as strong as his other ones. So, it seems to me like he was trying to subdue Thanos and give him the chance to give up instead of kill him.

How many times did Odin think Thanos was dead? Once. Just like Tyrant did. Jumpy

tyrant is mightier than odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
odin was going all out.

It didn't look he was going all out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
odin couldnt beat up on galactus.

Neither could FP Tyrant.

But I think DP Tyrant would defeat Odin.

About DP Tyrant Vs. Surtur, tough one. I know it is not FP Tyrant, but I would still chose DP Tyrant somehow.

About Thanos Vs. DP Tyrant. Thanos was amped good, I mean DP Tyrant had no trouble at all against those six powerful beings and then had trouble with Thanos (although DP Tyrant wasn't hurt at all and beat Thanos and didn't go all out). Thanos was amped good and those six would crush non-amped Thanos in a fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
odin was going all out. that s my point it doesnt make sense for him to be holding back. pdin treid to put thanos down and failed at it. he did succeed in laying waste to much of asgard in this battle. tyrant made thanos leave a lot quicker than odin. hell odin didnt make thanos yield or leave. kind of tells you something doesnt it.

Have you seen Odin fight when he's IS going all out? What he did to Thanos is nothing compared to his true power.

The only reason Thanos left quicker against Tyrant than he did against Odin is because he and the rest of the Watch were there to talk to Odin. It doesn't make sense for him to leave when the whole objective of going to Asgard was to find him. Against Tyrant, he stated he did what he set out to do. He withstood Tyrant and stole the orb.

Originally posted by quanchi112
tyrant is mightier than odin.

In your opinion, which is fine.

Originally posted by Xplosive

About Thanos Vs. DP Tyrant. Thanos was amped good, I mean DP Tyrant had no trouble at all against those six powerful beings and then had trouble with Thanos (although DP Tyrant wasn't hurt at all and beat Thanos and didn't go all out). Thanos was amped good and those six would crush non-amped Thanos in a fight.

No proof that Thanos' power was amped in that fight. He shoots power from the orb once. Other than that, he hits Tyrant with it physically and blasts him with his own power.