metallica's new album is barely done
http://www.encycmet.com/news/2007-07-25.shtml
whether you think thats good or bad, but they have been in album mode for more than a year, and they are "almost done with drum tracks"
My predictions will most likely fit with the title of a bizillion customer reviews on amazon.
'Better than St. Anger, but still sucks'
Funny how many people are spending time waiting on this album just so they can tear a hole into it, regardless of what it's like.
It's like people saying Prince has got worse because he's no longer 25, horny and singing about sex. These men aren't long-haired scruffbags who are pissed off at the world anymore. James Hetfield is a very honest man and apparantly very wise, he's not the kind of guy who would be something he isn't just because that's what people want. Nowadays they're just guys who like playing metal, or rock, or whatever.
The turmoil and such from their younger years is gone and it probably did fuel the best material, but they've moved on and if you don't like it, don't listen, but don't sit there and wait for it just to bash it.
I thought St. Anger was poor for a lot of reasons, and none of them were anything close to "It's not Master of Puppets!". The songs weren't half bad, some of them, but the production sucked and it felt rushed, it was hard to listen to. With Rick Rubin, maybe that can change, who knows.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny how many people are spending time waiting on this album just so they can tear a hole into it, regardless of what it's like.It's like people saying Prince has got worse because he's no longer 25, horny and singing about sex. These men aren't long-haired scruffbags who are pissed off at the world anymore. James Hetfield is a very honest man and apparantly very wise, he's not the kind of guy who would be something he isn't just because that's what people want. Nowadays they're just guys who like playing metal, or rock, or whatever.
The turmoil and such from their younger years is gone and it probably did fuel the best material, but they've moved on and if you don't like it, don't listen, but don't sit there and wait for it just to bash it.
I thought St. Anger was poor for a lot of reasons, and none of them were anything close to "It's not Master of Puppets!". The songs weren't half bad, some of them, but the production sucked and it felt rushed, it was hard to listen to. With Rick Rubin, maybe that can change, who knows.
-AC
I have massive amounts of respect for metallica, I don't really care what they do, i just want them to make music that sounds good what ever it sounds like.
But St. Anger didn't sound like music, I don't know what it was.
i am a huge metallica fan. i LOVE their old stuff. but for me i can see the other influences and i actually like a lot of the new stuff. load and reload werent that bad, and i like some of the stuff from st anger.
like alpha said, this band is no longer 25, boozing every night and on drugs. they now have families. its going to make th emusic different. also, as you get older you become more open to other influences and wish to experiment. i personally like these influences in metallicas music because i'm into that kind of music.
looking forward to new album.
also, the songs "the new song" and "the other new song" wont be on the new album.
As long as it doesnt sound like a bunch of shitty myspace band amatuers as ST anger did, and sounds like metallica i will listen to it. Even if Lars looks at the metallica fan as sheep.
St anger failed because like a few of the observations on this board, the band is no longer young, but thats exactly what the band tried to sound like...young and misanthropic
I can't wait to hear it, although my favorite member left to do his own thing which in the end was really inspiring to me musically. ( except for the gay ass TV show he did, thats a discussion for a later time).
My favorite albums as follows:
1. Load//reload
2. Master of Puppets
3. ...and justice for all
4. Ride the lightning
5.Kill em all
6. Black album
7. St. anger
also love Garage inc, no leaf clover, minus human, and I disapear
I don't care if they try and do totally new things, I mean they are more than metal band from the eighties. They're just fvcking really good.
I just care if it sounds good and the songs have depth and don't all sound the same.
I love it when they did this kind of stuff too:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cs-CZ1wBqfA
Load/reload is one album to me. Most people thing they put out load, toured, and then went back into the studio from scratch wrote new songs and recorded them and lazily called it Reload. Its the best double album I've ever heard. It has freaking balls.
Panter, korn, whatever... their shit sounds the same and they never really change
Why do people put emphasis on Cliff Burton?
Master of Puppets is arguably the greatest metal album ever purely because of James Hetfield, and I'll remind anybody who forgets that. Metallica were never about bass, so it's inconsequential who is in the band. It's just become accepted to cite Cliff's death as the turning point and ignore the fact that Justice, The Black Album and every album since, have been wholly decent or have decent to very good songs on them.
Load even has some very good songs, Reload has about two. Metallica specialised in metal because they were metal players, when they switched to more rock based stuff, people still thought they were trying to play metal, and shunned it. Either that or they just shunned it because it wasn't Puppets, or because they got a new haircut.
Who gives a shit? If Metallica make music I dislike, I'll say I dislike it, if not, I won't. I'm just sick of people slamming long-term artists' newer music simply because it's not their older music, I've heard it so much lately.
"Zeitgeist by The Smashing Pumpkins isn't Mellon Collie or Siamese Dream!", "Planet Earth and 3121 by Prince aren't Purple Rain!", "Snakes and Arrows by Rush isn't 2112!".
Yes, of course they aren't.
People confuse a band or artist not making music equal to what THEY consider their peak, with actually having gone downhill. I think Prince's last three albums could easily rank among his best, yet people will say no because Purple Rain was, to them, his unsurpassable peak.
The same with Metallica. To some, St. Anger may have been their best ever, but it's incomprehensible to people who won't accept that as far as the final product goes, "peak" is subjective.
-AC
Originally posted by Nellinator
Most metal people would have loved St. Anger if it hadn't been by Metallica imo.I suspect good things from this album actually. From what I've heard it seems to be more thrashy and back to their roots.
Uh.........I don't think so.
The way that album is mixed it sounds completely unheavy. YOu can hear bass on the album, but you can't feel it. Same with drums.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why do people put emphasis on Cliff Burton?Master of Puppets is arguably the greatest metal album ever purely because of James Hetfield, and I'll remind anybody who forgets that. Metallica were never about bass, so it's inconsequential who is in the band. It's just become accepted to cite Cliff's death as the turning point and ignore the fact that Justice, The Black Album and every album since, have been wholly decent or have decent to very good songs on them.
Load even has some very good songs, Reload has about two. Metallica specialised in metal because they were metal players, when they switched to more rock based stuff, people still thought they were trying to play metal, and shunned it. Either that or they just shunned it because it wasn't Puppets, or because they got a new haircut.
Who gives a shit? If Metallica make music I dislike, I'll say I dislike it, if not, I won't. I'm just sick of people slamming long-term artists' newer music simply because it's not their older music, I've heard it so much lately.
"Zeitgeist by The Smashing Pumpkins isn't Mellon Collie or Siamese Dream!", "Planet Earth and 3121 by Prince aren't Purple Rain!", "Snakes and Arrows by Rush isn't 2112!".
Yes, of course they aren't.
People confuse a band or artist not making music equal to what THEY consider their peak, with actually having gone downhill. I think Prince's last three albums could easily rank among his best, yet people will say no because Purple Rain was, to them, his unsurpassable peak.
The same with Metallica. To some, St. Anger may have been their best ever, but it's incomprehensible to people who won't accept that as far as the final product goes, "peak" is subjective.
-AC
Spot on.
From encycmet.com:
New songs are crazy fast
Metallica are hard at work on their next album with producer Rick Rubin, and at least one person outside the band has heard the songs: Velvet Revolver drummer Matt Sorum.
"Lars (Ulrich) is a good friend of mine. He played me the demos from San Francisco, and I turned and looked at him and I said, ‘Master that shit and put it out.’ It’s ridiculous. The demos were sick. Eight-minute songs, all these tempo changes, crazy fast. It’s like, ‘Dude, don’t get slower when you get older, but don’t get faster!? How are you gonna play this live?’ And then me and Lars were out partying all night, and he had to go in the studio the next day and do this stupid like nine or ten minute song, and I was laughing at him — because he played me the demo of it, and it was so fast. I called him, and said, ‘Dude, how are you feeling?’ He was like, ‘Dude, I’m hurting.’ They’re cutting everything to tape, no ****in’ Pro Tools — live, no clicks. Bitchin’. I dig it. I’m really excited for them." Matt told Rolling Stone.
I still reserve judgment until I hear it, remember how supposedly st. anger was suppose to sound badass, and then the world heard it.
I also just realised by the time this album comes out, Trujillo has been in the band for 5 years.
Is it just me or does Trujillo not even look like a Metallica member? Everytime I watch a live vid with Trujillo, its like "Hey, there's Metallica and a muscular Samoan..." He doesnt really look like he belongs. But hey, as long as his bass playing is sick (which it is) then its all good I suppose. Newsted and Burton really looked like they belonged. I dont know, maybe its just me. ANYWAY! The album..
I wouldnt say I'm particularly excited about this album, but I will definately give it a good listening to when its released.(God forbid that I download it though...lol...) If its good, then its good, I will reserve my judgement until its release. But it is as those above said, Metallica are no longer the young thrashers they used to be. They have families now, and they are older and much more mature. You cant change that. Due to this, their music has changed, and I doubt it will ever return to the intense thrash metal they played in their earlier days. Because of this, I doubt the album will appeal to me. I'm not really into anything past the Black Album and even the Black Album doesnt compare to the albums preceding it(Keep in mind that this is only my oppinon.)But as I stated earlier, I will reserve my judgement until after I hear the album. I'm just glad that The New Song and The Other New Song wont be on the album, I did not like those songs.
To Alpha Centauri:
Though I for the most part I agree with your statements I do disagree on one thing. Emphasis should be placed on Cliff Burton since he contributed his writing to many of the Metallica songs. Also when you state that Metallica has never been about bass, I believe you are simply referring to And Justice For All...As for previous albums bass is audible. For Whom The Bell Tolls also has the famous bass line at the beggining. Metallica's musical composition ablities grew greatly on Ride The Lightning and I believe this can be easily aquainted with Burtons hand in the songwriting. Note that I am not saying he wrote the songs completely. But to deny that Burton had a major influence on Metallica's sound is something I truly believe to false.