Respect Ororo: Storm Queen of the Wakandans

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did I say that Jean was sue? I said its possible for a psionic connection to be cut off and mentioned that Jean's rapport with Cyclops was cut off at one point in time.. You challenged me for proof.

I am well aware of psy links being possible to block but I was saying I am not aware of Sue ever being able to block one with her shields. I was asking for proof of sue blocking a psy link.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh look a grammar nazi, has no better way to try and counter an argument thatn to attack the spelling?

It was a shoot-back for your disrespectful post toward my intelligence. Now you see how it feels.

Originally posted by Creshosk
and working from the outside to the inside is the same exectution as working from the inside to the outside?

Yes because storm's telekinesis has to pass through Sue's force field in order to manipulate the weather on the outside of the shield. This is why it would not make much of a difference if storm was on the outside because the energy would have to pass through her shield again in order to manipulate the weather on the inside of her shield.

Now in order to counter this you would have to bring us solid proof of sue being able to block either a psionic link or storm's control on the inside of the shield.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Burden of proof is on your shoulders for me to necessitate the request. YOU haven't really proven its the same both directions. You simply stated it was.

What I've proven is that it doesn't matter what side storm is on because that didn't matter in that feat, either side this had to do with storm's telekinesis going through her shield.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you forget what you challenged again? Shameful...

"bring solid proof of sue actually blocking out a person's power and at the same time allowing them to use their powers through her shield."

Oh ok now i see what you mean but, blocking storm's winds have little to do with her link going through IW's shield because wind energy is different from storm's telekinetic link to control the weather.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You spelled Philosophy wrong and then turn around and attack my spelling? Pitiful.

No i spelled philosophy correct but, i did how ever responded to the wrong meaning of fallacy

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'll disrespect a person's inteligence if they say something stupid... its why I'm disrespecting yours. I feel that you've said soemthing stupid.

And yes, I'm an *******, an no you are not allowd to call me that.

Oh so it's ok for you to make up rules not to disrespect you and it's ok for you to disrespect people?

ok gotcha

Originally posted by Creshosk
Said the pot. I'm not saying ban people who disagree with my opinion mind you. I'm saying close the thread entirely for being speculatory bullshit, just like why it was closed the previous times.

So your calling the feat "speculatory" when there is a scan provided to prove this point?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not Xmarksthespot. Nor am I a storm hater you Invisible Woman hater.

Then i stand corrected and apologise for thinking you were someone else. I'm also not IW hater and don't see what facts lead you to that conclusion. I'm well aware of Sue's abilities and know that she cannot block all kinds of energy. Also please don't refer feats such as jean that deal with telekinesis to Sue's because they're abilities are different as well as they're shields

Originally posted by Creshosk
See? I can throw your irrational "They don't agree that this character is the god/goddess I perceive them to be they must hate the character!"

Ok this argument is not a matter of opinion, these are facts being brought to the table that actually "Prove" that storm possesses the ability to do what was brought up. What does "They don't agree that this character is the god/goddess I perceive them to be they must hate the character!" have to do with anything in this argument? I assumed you were someone you were not(that is a storm hater) because you were bringing infactual evidence into the argument in order to dismiss the feat that storm has performed in the scan.

It's ok, Weather God. I've already asked Digi to interviene in the spamming of this thread by Cresh.

It's funny how he uses the Double-standard fallacy by usng probability with regard to Sue blocking Storm's psi link by citing Jean as an example which would circumstantial evidence. Then he turns around and wants "concrete proof", when, in essence, both arguments are probabilistic.

Appeal to Ignorance as well.

It's sad.

It just shows his bias.

Originally posted by The Weather God
I am well aware of psy links being possible to block but I was saying I am not aware of [b]Sue ever being able to block one with her shields. I was asking for proof of sue blocking a psy link.[/b]

Originally posted by The Weather God
It was a shoot-back for your disrespectful post toward my intelligence. Now you see how it feels.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Yes because storm's telekinesis has to pass through Sue's force field in order to manipulate the weather on the outside of the shield. This is why it would not make much of a difference if storm was on the outside because the energy would have to pass through her shield again in order to manipulate the weather on the inside of her shield.

and equivocation.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Now in order to counter this you would have to bring us solid proof of sue being able to block either a psionic link or storm's control on the inside of the shield.

Originally posted by The Weather God
What I've proven is that it doesn't matter what side storm is on because that didn't matter in that feat, either side this had to do with storm's telekinesis going through her shield.[/qote] NAw, you proved that she can affect the weather on the outside when inside if Sue is with her... that's all that the scan shows. It's speculation to say that Sue let her, and its speculation to say that Storm did it without permission.

You have yet to prove she did it without permission. and no Ad ignorantium is not a viable argument either.

[QUOTE=9914993]Originally posted by The Weather God
Oh ok now i see what you mean but, blocking storm's winds have little to do with her link going through IW's shield because wind energy is different from storm's telekinetic link to control the weather.

But.. you just proved that not all energy is the same and she can choose which she wanted to let through...

Originally posted by The Weather God
No i spelled philosophy correct but, i did how ever responded to the wrong meaning of fallacy

Originally posted by The Weather God
Oh so it's ok for you to make up rules not to disrespect people and it's ok for you to disrespect people?

Originally posted by The Weather God
ok gotcha

So your calling the feat "speculatory" when there is a scan provided to prove this point?

Originally posted by The Weather God
Then i stand corrected and apologise for thinking you were someone else. I'm also not IW hater and don't see what facts lead you to that conclusion. I'm well aware of Sue's abilities and know that she cannot block all kinds of energy. Also please don't refer feats such as jean that deal with telekinesis to Sue's because they're abilities are different as well as they're shields

Also please note that when she uses her sheild but is not invisible, coorelates to her choosing energy to let through when she turns invisible. Her sheild isn't always letting the same energy through all the time.

So please show me where its the same or prove that it was without sue's permission.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Ok this argument is not a matter of opinion, these are facts being brought to the table that actually [b]"Prove" that storm possesses the ability to do what was brought up.[/b]

Originally posted by The Weather God
What does "They don't agree that this character is the god/goddess I perceive them to be they must hate the character!" have to do with anything in this argument? I assumed you were someone you were not(that is a storm hater) because you were bringing infactual evidence into the argument in order to dismiss the feat that storm has performed in the scan.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It just shows his bias.

And respect threads are not a place to post fan wanking speculation... appearently you DIDN'T learn that when your other threads wetre closed...

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm still not seeing the need. you're still relying on the affirming the consequent.

Your the one relying on speculation, i'm not even going to bother responding to all these uncalled-for ones.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nah, I don't give a rat's ass about you correcting my spelling especially after you spelled philosophy the way you did.. I noticed you edited your post too...

I edited my post right after i replied and before you posted. I misread the word and noticed after i posted it was not the word i thought it was.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Naw, I don't need to prove anything until you've proven your side. Invalid arguments are not proof..

Ok what do you want me to prove? That storm telekinetically controls the weather? That storm has controlled the weather through IW shields?

Originally posted by Creshosk
But.. you just proved that not all energy is the same and she can choose which she wanted to let through...

When did i proved that? I'm asking you to prove that in order to counter the fact that storm can use her power through IW shield.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Editing your post doesn't count. You spelled it incorrectly. Editing it doesn't change the fact that you did so initially.

LoL please go back and read my previous post. I said i thought you were spelling philosophy and responded wrong. XD

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I'm going by the forum rules and those that the MODS set up... there isn't a rule that says I have to respect you, I just can't flame you. I don't need to flame you to show you disrespect.

Who said anything about forum rules? I said it's ok for you to demand respect and yet you can disrespect people.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, I'm calling your interpritation speculatory... People seem to think their opinion is fact... when as you shown above not all energy can just pass through...

It's not speculartory if i'm providing nothing but facts to the table.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What reasoning did you come by to label me as a storm hater?

I assumed you were someone Who was a storm hater, not you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Also please note that when she uses her sheild but is not invisible, coorelates to her choosing energy to let through when she turns invisible. Her sheild isn't always letting the same energy through all the time.

Ok i'm asking you to show me proof of that, i'm not going off your hear say as i've asked before.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So please show me where its the same or prove that it was without sue's permission.

LoL you have to prove to us that she can, you can't just come into a thread and tell us things without proof. I have never heard of sue being able to see the different energies going through her shield and blocking it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No it doesn't. Your speculation on events is not proof... Wishful thinking fallacy.

I've asked you countless times to point out what speculation am i bringing in here. All of what i have said has happened in the scan. You have failed to bring us proof on anything you have been speculating about.

My patience has ended with Storm.

Here's how it'll happen.

This is getting closed. Once I have some time, I'll collect the scans in this thread and post them in a new thread. It will be open, but regular members will be unable to post (like the rules thread in the vs. forum). It will remain in the directory, but not be open for discussion.

Not my first choice, but it's a privilege to use the forums, not a right, and this sort of behavior is what loses people that right.

There's too much to sift through, and it would be impossible to go back and try to accredit someone with the first offense, or even the majority of the offense. I have talked to those who needed talking to, and that will end it.

The new thread might be up in days, weeks, months. Depends on my schedule. So don't bug me about it.

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