Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Despite the fact that im presenting cold facts, you continue to deny it. You lose."Dragon Ball GT (ドラゴンボールGT, Doragon Bōru Jī Tī?) is the sequel to the anime Dragon Ball Z. "
The burden is now on you.
Find me the lips, hand, from akira toriyama, that states
"I do not wish to include Dragonball GT in the official cannon of the dragonball universe."
Ive proven myself -- you havent, AND you made up phony rules of "cannondom." Who does that?
It's an unofficial sequel, made by the animation studio. It has too many plot holes to be canon. For example, Vegeta grew a mustache, but he said in DBZ that Saiya-jin's hair doesn't ever change after they are born. Gohan's mystic powerup went away for no reason. Pilaf and his assistants were resurrected without any explanation. The black star dragonballs were never mentioned before and just appeared out of nowhere. Goku's tail grew back after it had been surgically removed. Etc.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's an unofficial sequel, made by the animation studio. It has too many plot holes to be canon. For example, Vegeta grew a mustache, but he said in DBZ that Saiya-jin's hair doesn't ever change after they are born. Gohan's mystic powerup went away for no reason. Pilaf and his assistants were resurrected without any explanation. The black star dragonballs were never mentioned before and just appeared out of nowhere. Goku's tail grew back after it had been surgically removed. Etc.
Shal we list the discrepencies in superman that had to be ret-conned?
Since when does a discrepency create a non-cannon piece of work?
Again, your makeing up rules and its very entertaining.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
No, its under Akira Toriyama's filmography -- under "writer."I love busting people!!!
Except he didn't write it - Toei did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball#Relation_to_the_Anime
Dragon Ball GT is the sequel to Dragon Ball Z, but is not based on the original manga by Akira Toriyama.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Shal we list the discrepencies in superman that had to be ret-conned?Since when does a discrepency create a non-cannon piece of work?
Again, your makeing up rules and its very entertaining.
The fact is that the writers ignored continuity and never gave any explanation for it. Toriyama didn't write the story, he only contributed character designs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT
Unlike Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, series creator Akira Toriyama had only minor involvement in the show's early stages, setting forth the initial premise of the series, as well as creating designs for most of the villans and main characters , including newcomer Giru
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Except he didn't write it - Toei did.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball#Relation_to_the_Anime
You think i didnt know that?
Lets get a few facts in order. Toei dominantly wrote Dragonball GT. Thats not a secret. So whatever "hidden knoweldge" you think you've unleashed was actually plain as day.
Second, thier is no "authority" in determining whats cannon except the original creator himself. Akira Toriyama has NOT ONCE, publicly or even privately declared that Dbzgt, was not cannon. Also, the show itself gives us no reason to believe that the show was not cannon. It continues where DBZ left off, the characters dont have wildly different personalities as we do find in "alternate takes" of popular shows/comics etc.
And you say because it has discreprencys that its not cannon? is that your best argument? Based off of a set of rules that apparently only you know about? Do you see what your typeing? Why would a discrepency invalidate a Television show? IN that case, half of the transformers series shuoldent even exist and Megatron should be an Autobot. It just means the writers didnt do thier homework, or were lazy.
So ill leave it at this. Theris no reason to convince you that GT is cannon, because it is. You dont have to believe it, you are also welcome to not believe in a slew of other facts such as gravity, Rainfall, and house-pets.
GT is cannon, their is not a SINGLE, NOT ONE, shard of evidence from the creator that implies otherwise. Especially, when the "golden rule of cannon" was made up by Endless Mike on the KMC forums.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
You think i didnt know that?Lets get a few facts in order. Toei dominantly wrote Dragonball GT. Thats not a secret. So whatever "hidden knoweldge" you think you've unleashed was actually plain as day.
Second, thier is no "authority" in determining whats cannon except the original creator himself. Akira Toriyama has NOT ONCE, publicly or even privately declared that Dbzgt, was not cannon.
And that doesn't automatically make it canon by default. In fact it's non - canon until proven otherwise, or else any random movie/special/video game would be canon unless he said it wasn't.
Also, the show itself gives us no reason to believe that the show was not cannon. It continues where DBZ left off, the characters dont have wildly different personalities as we do find in "alternate takes" of popular shows/comics etc.
Really? Picollo acts like an idiot instead of intelligent (attacking Baby up front for no reason while he is weaker), Goku acts like an idiot and a little kid (even though he was turned into a little kid he still has the mind of an adult), etc.
And you say because it has discreprencys that its not cannon?
Nothing declares it is canon.
is that your best argument? Based off of a set of rules that apparently only you know about? Do you see what your typeing? Why would a discrepency invalidate a Television show? IN that case, half of the transformers series shuoldent even exist and Megatron should be an Autobot. It just means the writers didnt do thier homework, or were lazy.
Obviously. Toriyama wasn't even involved in the story, so in order for it to be canon, he or someone representing him would have to state for it to be canon.
So ill leave it at this. Theris no reason to convince you that GT is cannon, because it is. You dont have to believe it, you are also welcome to not believe in a slew of other facts such as gravity, Rainfall, and house-pets.
Except those can be independently verified. GT's canonicty cannot. 99% of DBZ fans I've met do not accept GT as canon.
GT is cannon, their is not a SINGLE, NOT ONE, shard of evidence from the creator that implies otherwise.
Burden of proof is always on the positive.
Especially, when the "golden rule of cannon" was made up by Endless Mike on the KMC forums.
It's called simple logic. I don't need to prove a negative, you need to prove the positive.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindTechnically they're cyborg's even with the name "artificial human."
Or just destroys him. Superman has no guilt in destroying non living things.
They were "constructed from a human base" as stated by Android 17 in the manga. They were runaways who were heavily fitted with cybernetics.
18 even has a daughter with Krillan: Marron.
