SS4 Goku v. WWH

Originally posted by Mordum
As far the anime is concerned the most powerful character was vegitto. He had unlimited power and potential.

False.

As far as the anime was concerned, there are characters in GT that are much more powerful.

GT is trash, but it's still the anime.

In the manga, there is a character more powerful than Vegetto - Buu after having absorbed Vegetto, 😛.

Furthermore, it's unclear whether Vegetto is stronger or weaker than 'Chou Gohan' as in the manga Goku directly states to Vegeta "Even if we fought together we'd be no match for that Buu!" when speaking of the Buu that Gohan proceeds to stomp the shit out of.

Then, when Vegetto is formed, Buu seems totally unafraid, right up until he turns SSj (or SSj2 - the lightning would seem to indicate the second form, but it's never stated which).

THEN buu shits himself.

Thusly, it's clear that;

SSJ(2?) Vegetto > Buu (With Gohan) > Buu (With Gotenks) (slightly)> Chou Gohan > Buu (With Goten, Trunks, Picollo) > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > Goku & Vegeta combined

However, we have no idea where 'normal' Vegetto fits in this ranking. He never fought in the manga. All we know for sure is that Buu was totally unafraid of him UNTIL his hair turned all golden-y.

Nerd ermm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nerd ermm

What's worse, is this is all from memory. I last read the manga like four or five years ago, and never even saw the entire anime.

😆.

Vegetto was stronger than Buu with Gohan absorbed, they fought in the manga (but most of the anime fight was filler).

Originally posted by Soljer
False.

As far as the anime was concerned, there are characters in GT that are much more powerful.

GT is trash, but it's still the anime.

In the manga, there is a character more powerful than Vegetto - Buu after having absorbed Vegetto, 😛.

Furthermore, it's unclear whether Vegetto is stronger or weaker than 'Chou Gohan' as in the manga Goku directly states to Vegeta "Even if we fought together we'd be no match for that Buu!" when speaking of the Buu that Gohan proceeds to stomp the shit out of.

Then, when Vegetto is formed, Buu seems totally unafraid, right up until he turns SSj (or SSj2 - the lightning would seem to indicate the second form, but it's never stated which).

THEN buu shits himself.

Thusly, it's clear that;

SSJ(2?) Vegetto > Buu (With Gohan) > Buu (With Gotenks) (slightly)> Chou Gohan > Buu (With Goten, Trunks, Picollo) > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > Goku & Vegeta combined

However, we have no idea where 'normal' Vegetto fits in this ranking. He never fought in the manga. All we know for sure is that Buu was totally unafraid of him UNTIL his hair turned all golden-y.

As I re-read the manga about a week ago I'll give you a hand 😛

Vegerot was the strongest character, after all he handled Buu with ease. He was also a super saiyan not a super saiyan 2, I think the fist panel when he transformed was either for effect or it was super saiyan 2 then decided he didn't need to stay in that form and reverted to Super Saiyan because there wasn't any lighting after the initial transformation and I dnt think Toriyama is that sloppy. And Buu Doesn't shit himself when Vegerot transforms until he begins to fight him, I would say Base vegerot was probably on par with Mystic Gohan.

And when Goku said he and Vegeta would be no match for Buu even if they fought together he was referring to fighting without fusion, thats why he basicly begged vegeta to fuse with him to battle Super Buu.

And Technically Buu with vegerot absorbed wasn't the strongest form because he never actually integrated him into his body, in effect all he did was eat him but his power level never changed and this was noticed as he didn't actually "transform" after he absorbed him.

As for in Gt I doubt anyone was stronger than Vegerot...afterall he never went Super Saiyan 3 did he...and I doubt Omega Shenron could have beaten him...

Originally posted by Sparkz
As I re-read the manga about a week ago I'll give you a hand 😛

Vegerot was the strongest character, after all he handled Buu with ease. He was also a super saiyan not a super saiyan 2, I think the fist panel when he transformed was either for effect or it was super saiyan 2 then decided he didn't need to stay in that form and reverted to Super Saiyan because there wasn't any lighting after the initial transformation and I dnt think Toriyama is that sloppy. And Buu Doesn't shit himself when Vegerot transforms until he begins to fight him, I would say Base vegerot was probably on par with Mystic Gohan.

And when Goku said he and Vegeta would be no match for Buu even if they fought together he was referring to fighting without fusion, thats why he basicly begged vegeta to fuse with him to battle Super Buu.

And Technically Buu with vegerot absorbed wasn't the strongest form because he never actually integrated him into his body, in effect all he did was eat him but his power level never changed and this was noticed as he didn't actually "transform" after he absorbed him.

As for in Gt I doubt anyone was stronger than Vegerot...afterall he never went Super Saiyan 3 did he...and I doubt Omega Shenron could have beaten him...

I know Vegetto was the strongest character - I even put him at the top. As far as him being Super Saiyajin or Super Saiya-jin 2, well, like I said, it's unclear.

And, yeah, I know Goku meant him and Vegeta without fusing. But the point still stands. Base-Vegetto never fought in the Manga, to my knowledge. He only fought AFTER he transformed. So, it's pretty unclear where he may stand.

And as far as GT...well...

I'd say SSJ4 Gogeta would probably be a match for Vegetto - who we don't even know for sure COULD transform to Super Saiya-jin 3, 😬.

Originally posted by Soljer
I know Vegetto was the strongest character - I even put him at the top. As far as him being Super Saiyajin or Super Saiya-jin 2, well, like I said, it's unclear.

And, yeah, I know Goku meant him and Vegeta without fusing. But the point still stands. Base-Vegetto never fought in the Manga, to my knowledge. He only fought AFTER he transformed. So, it's pretty unclear where he may stand.

And as far as GT...well...

I'd say SSJ4 Gogeta would probably be a match for Vegetto - who we don't even know for sure COULD transform to Super Saiya-jin 3, 😬.

Yeah he didn't fight, but he must have been pretty damn strong just look at the boost Gotenks got in his base form... And I'd give it the benefit of a doubt that Vegerot was Super Saiyan, just cause I don't think Toriyama would be sloppy but that is just pure speculation on my part.

And I'm sure Vegerot could become a super saiyan 3 I'm pretty sure it was stated that the fused form could do everything the 2 people who fused could, and I'm sure if Gotenks could Vegerot who is half Goku could aswell.

And Yeah I forgot about SS4 Gogeta but when all said and done really he is the same person... and well I'm sure ss4 gogeta could beat ss3 Vegerot, after all the potora fusion was never stated to be more powerful, just more effective due to it never runs out.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Yeah he didn't fight, but he must have been pretty damn strong just look at the boost Gotenks got in his base form... And I'd give it the benefit of a doubt that Vegerot was Super Saiyan, just cause I don't think Toriyama would be sloppy but that is just pure speculation on my part.

And I'm sure Vegerot could become a super saiyan 3 I'm pretty sure it was stated that the fused form could do everything the 2 people who fused could, and I'm sure if Gotenks could Vegerot who is half Goku could aswell.

And Yeah I forgot about SS4 Gogeta but when all said and done really he is the same person... and well I'm sure ss4 gogeta could beat ss3 Vegerot, after all the potora fusion was never stated to be more powerful, just more effective due to it never runs out.

It still seems speculative. Vegetto never transformed to the third level, so we don't know that he could. Gotenks could, but that was through the fusion dance - and neither trunks NOR Goten could transform to the third level on their own.

It may have to do with half breeds having more potential. I mean, Gohan transformed to the second level of Super Saiyajin when no one else could. Gotenks transformed to the THIRD level of Super Saiyajin when the only other person that could was Goku.

Meh, more speculation though.

Anywho; I was always under the impression that the potara earring fusion created a more powerful being than the fusion dance. I don't remember exactly, but didn't the Kaioshin mock the fusion dance because of it's ineffectiveness in comparison?

Originally posted by Soljer
It still seems speculative. Vegetto never transformed to the third level, so we don't know that he could. Gotenks could, but that was through the fusion dance - and neither trunks NOR Goten could transform to the third level on their own.

It may have to do with half breeds having more potential. I mean, Gohan transformed to the second level of Super Saiyajin when no one else could. Gotenks transformed to the THIRD level of Super Saiyajin when the only other person that could was Goku.

Meh, more speculation though.

Anywho; I was always under the impression that the potara earring fusion created a more powerful being than the fusion dance. I don't remember exactly, but didn't the Kaioshin mock the fusion dance because of it's ineffectiveness in comparison?

No he mocked it because it took to long and the opponent wouldnt stand around and let you do it.

I suppose it could be speculated that potara is stronger because In goku's and Vegetas case goku Couldnt have to drop his power level down to fuse with Vegeta no matter how little. But This is pure speculation.

But I still believe Vegerot could become Super Saiyan 3 if he wished, but like you said this is speculation, but its mainly the fact that if he could become a super saiyan because Goku and vegeta could why not a super saiyan 3...

Originally posted by Sparkz
No he mocked it because it took to long and the opponent wouldnt stand around and let you do it.

I suppose it could be speculated that potara is stronger because In goku's and Vegetas case goku Couldnt have to drop his power level down to fuse with Vegeta no matter how little. But This is pure speculation.

But I still believe Vegerot could become Super Saiyan 3 if he wished, but like you said this is speculation, but its mainly the fact that if he could become a super saiyan because Goku and vegeta could why not a super saiyan 3...

Because only one of the 'components' of the potara fusion was able to achieve Super Saiyajin 3, while BOTH could attain Super Saiyajin 1 and 2.

Originally posted by Soljer
Because only one of the 'components' of the potara fusion was able to achieve Super Saiyajin 3, while BOTH could attain Super Saiyajin 1 and 2.

Yeah I knoe but I still think If Gotenks could acheive it and neither could become a super saiyan 3 it is more likley Vegerot could become a Super Saiyan 3, and I am pretty sure it was stated the fusion character could do anything the 2 original characters could do, tho I'd have to check that.

Arr this is the annoying thing about DBZ so much stuff is speculation, Like how much can they lift how fast can they move...

Originally posted by Sparkz
Yeah he didn't fight, but he must have been pretty damn strong just look at the boost Gotenks got in his base form... And I'd give it the benefit of a doubt that Vegerot was Super Saiyan, just cause I don't think Toriyama would be sloppy but that is just pure speculation on my part.

And I'm sure Vegerot could become a super saiyan 3 I'm pretty sure it was stated that the fused form could do everything the 2 people who fused could, and I'm sure if Gotenks could Vegerot who is half Goku could aswell.

And Yeah I forgot about SS4 Gogeta but when all said and done really he is the same person... and well I'm sure ss4 gogeta could beat ss3 Vegerot, after all the potora fusion was never stated to be more powerful, just more effective due to it never runs out.

Gotenks could go SS3 because Trunks and Goten were both in a sense 1 and 1/2 SS seperated. If u remember the fusion dance had to be done with both characters at the same powerlevel. After a little training in the time chamber they were able to master the fusion.

Of course SS4 Gogeta can beat SS3Vegetto.
SS4Gogeta>SS2Vegetto>Super Android 17>SS4Goku=SS4Vegeta

Originally posted by Sundipped
Gotenks could go SS3 because Trunks and Goten were both in a sense 1 and 1/2 SS seperated. If u remember the fusion dance had to be done with both characters at the same powerlevel. After a little training in the time chamber they were able to master the fusion.

Of course SS4 Gogeta can beat SS3Vegetto.
SS4Gogeta>SS2Vegetto>Super Android 17>SS4Goku=SS4Vegeta

how could they be 1 and a 1/2 super saiyan sepearated? Cause they are half breeds? If thats the case they would only be 1/2 super saiyans...

And mastering fusion dsnt allow you to become a super saiyan 3...it allows you to fuse lol

Originally posted by Sparkz
how could they be 1 and a 1/2 super saiyan sepearated? Cause they are half breeds? If thats the case they would only be 1/2 super saiyans...

And mastering fusion dsnt allow you to become a super saiyan 3...it allows you to fuse lol

Well how do u explain just how did they become SS3? Trunks and Goten both had to be beyond just SS1 before the fusion. Neither had achieved SS2 status yet on their own.

Unless Goku has enough energy to decintegrate the Hulk in one blow. HULK will smash

Originally posted by Sundipped
Well how do u explain just how did they become SS3? Trunks and Goten both had to be beyond just SS1 before the fusion. Neither had achieved SS2 status yet on their own.

Because Gotenks trained in the room of spirit and time, thats why Goten and Trunks couldnt acheive it, because Gotenks did, and you can't just add super saiyans together to get a new form, its all about training not numbers..

Originally posted by Sparkz
Because Gotenks trained in the room of spirit and time, thats why Goten and Trunks couldnt acheive it, because Gotenks did, and you can't just add super saiyans together to get a new form, its all about training not numbers..

Originally posted by Sparkz
Because Gotenks trained in the room of spirit and time, thats why Goten and Trunks couldnt acheive it, because Gotenks did, and you can't just add super saiyans together to get a new form, its all about training not numbers..

It's been a while since I was into DBZ. I do remember them fusing to make Gotenks first before training in the time chamber.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It's been a while since I was into DBZ. I do remember them fusing to make Gotenks first before training in the time chamber.

Yeah they mastered fusion before entering the time chamber, Gotenks achieved Super Saiyan 3 while training in there...

i know hulk destroyed a planetoid twice the size of earth he could barly do it but at the very begginig of dbz the could blow planents up whith a little finger