Originally posted by kiddo44Damn, stunning comeback. But I'm impressed; I didn't think you'd get past pressing the "reply" button.
there is nothing to debate dumbass.
Originally posted by playa1258That depends on your POV really; people like kiddo over here would put her in the upper double-digits through sheer ignorance. But personally? As far as Jedi/Sith/Dark Jedi go, I'd put only Sidious, Yoda, and Mace as her unquestionable superiors. Duels with Anakin or Dooku might go either way, and Obi-Wan could have a shot at taking her. Others who I'd say could challenge her but probably not win would be Ventress, Maul, Luminara, and likely Anoon Bondara.
So were would Depa rank in The top 10 Jedi of the Clone wars?
Anakin defeats here easily, why are so many people thinking she could defeat Anakin?
And Fanus, you would put only Sidious, Yoda, and Mace as her unquestionable superiors. WHAT?
Dooku, Anakin, OBi-Wan, Grievous, probably Maul and Drallig are her superiors as well.
Now, i am not saying she is weak or something, but she isn't the in the "A" group.
She is a group lower(maybe more), people that are in her league in ability, are the likes of Kit Fisto, Asajj, Sora Bolq, Anon Bondara, Agen Kolar...
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Anakin defeats here easily, why are so many people thinking she could defeat Anakin?And Fanus, you would put only Sidious, Yoda, and Mace as her unquestionable superiors. WHAT?
Dooku, Anakin, OBi-Wan, Grievous, probably Maul and Drallig are her superiors as well.
Now, i am not saying she is weak or something, but she isn't the in the "A" group.
She is a group lower(maybe more), people that are in her league in ability, are the likes of Kit Fisto, Asajj, Sora Bolq, Anon Bondara, Agen Kolar...
Considering she nearly mastered a style only two other Jedi have even attempted, and that Mace stated that had she been clear of mind and not insane, she would have had a great chance at defeating him in a duel. Mace is far ahead of Anakin, Depa is above him too.
Originally posted by Count MakashiCuz some of us have actually read the only material she's featured in.
Anakin defeats here easily, why are so many people thinking she could defeat Anakin?
And Faunus, you would put only Sidious, Yoda, and Mace as her unquestionable superiors. WHAT?Edited for accuracy, emphasis on key word.
Dooku, Anakin, OBi-Wan, Grievous, probably Maul and Drallig are her superiors as well.First, I'd like to congratulate you for formulating such convincing arguments in favor of all these characters. Kudos.
Now. Dooku almost certainly is her superior, I wouldn't doubt that. Anakin? That's what the thread is about. I'd say he has a shot for sure, but a sane Depa would probably be able to take him out in most situations.
Obi-Wan probably isn't a better duelist than Depa. He's extremely good, sure, but she's older and more practiced in a form known only by two others, and is one of two living masters. Like Anakin he might be able to manage a win, but I wouldn't bet on it. Mace thinks so much of her bladework that said it surpassed his own. It's likely a hyperbolic statement, but coming from the second most powerful Jedi alive that's saying something.
Grievous? Pfft. He got his ass kicked by Mace Windu in what can be interpreted as being a very short time, and the Jedi didn't even have to resort to his shatterpoint ability. Now, Darth Maul is someone who has a shot at defeating her in a duel - anyone who can give Sidious a run for his money is a force to be reckoned with. Given the cold, brutally efficient manner in which he fights against everyone but an unarmed Padawan, and thus the small chance of a mistake, I'd give him and Dooku the best chances at taking her down.
Now, i am not saying she is weak or something, but she isn't the in the "A" group....
She is a group lower(maybe more), people that are in her league in ability, are the likes of Kit Fisto, Asajj, Sora Bolq, Anon Bondara, Agen Kolar...
You're kidding, right? First off, Asajj Ventress is without a doubt in "the 'A' group." She's pretty much manhandled Obi-Wan in the past, and was only ever defeated by Anakin when he gave himself to the dark side completely.
Second, saying Agen Kolar is in Depa's league is ludicrous. She's definitely better than Kit, too, although he's actually got some major skillz. Sora Bulq has nothing on her - although he assisted Mace in Vaapad's creation, he never mastered it. He's good, but against Depa? Dead. However, Anoon Bondara appears to be really good, so he might be in the upper tiers.
The top 10 duelists of the PT (in no particular order, so nobody gets mad)Smart move.
YodaI still haven't don't get what makes Drallig so good. The only thing he's ever done was get manhandled by an occupied Anakin. And why is Sora up there above Ventress? Overall, it's a good list, but I'd take out Bulq and Cin and toss in Asajj and maybe Anoon (he's pretty much PT era anyway).
Sidious
Dooku
Mace
Anakin/Vader
Obi-Wan
Maul
Sora
Depa
Cin
Cin was the Battlemaster, and you can't be the Battlemaster without possessing some of the greatest saber skills in the order. Dooku even brings up his name when reprimanding Grievous, along with the names "Kenobi, Mace and Yoda' (this is in LOE).
As for Sora and Asajj, Asajj is on Anakin's level 6 months before ROTS, while Sora put up a decent against Mace. I find the latter more impressive. Plus Sora knows Vaapad, he's Dooku's right-hand man (not Asajj), and he was tooling Vos until Vos tried his hardest and caught Sora by surprise. And Dooku actually shows a little emotion when Sora dies, when Asajj dies, well, he's the one who orders it, shows how much more important Sora is than Asajj.
Originally posted by Faunus
Cuz some of us have actually read the only material she's featured in.Edited for accuracy, emphasis on key word.
First, I'd like to congratulate you for formulating such convincing arguments in favor of all these characters. Kudos.
Now. Dooku almost certainly is her superior, I wouldn't doubt that. Anakin? That's what the thread is about. I'd say he has a shot for sure, but a sane Depa would probably be able to take him out in most situations.
Obi-Wan probably isn't a better duelist than Depa. He's extremely good, sure, but she's older and more practiced in a form known only by two others, and is one of two living masters. Like Anakin he might be able to manage a win, but I wouldn't bet on it. Mace thinks so much of her blade-work that said it surpassed his own. It's likely a hyperbolic statement, but coming from the second most powerful Jedi alive that's saying something.
Grievous? Pfft. He got his ass kicked by Mace Windu in what can be interpreted as being a very short time, and the Jedi didn't even have to resort to his shatterpoint ability. Now, Darth Maul is someone who has a shot at defeating her in a duel - anyone who can give Sidious a run for his money is a force to be reckoned with. Given the cold, brutally efficient manner in which he fights against everyone but an unarmed Padawan, and thus the small chance of a mistake, I'd give him and Dooku the best chances at taking her down.
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You're kidding, right? First off, Asajj Ventress is without a doubt in "the 'A' group." She's pretty much manhandled Obi-Wan in the past, and was only ever defeated by Anakin when he gave himself to the dark side completely.
Second, saying Agen Kolar is in Depa's league is ludicrous. She's definitely better than Kit, too, although he's actually got some major skillz. Sora Bulq has nothing on her - although he assisted Mace in Vaapad's creation, he never mastered it. He's good, but against Depa? Dead. However, Anoon Bondara appears to be really good, so he might be in the upper tiers.
Smart move.
I still haven't don't get what makes Drallig so good. The only thing he's ever done was get manhandled by an occupied Anakin. And why is Sora up there above Ventress? Overall, it's a good list, but I'd take out Bulq and Cin and toss in Asajj and maybe Anoon (he's pretty much PT era anyway).
I read it to, great book and she did very well, actually she was vining the fight with Mace, but this also happened
He screamed as she triggered her blade. And kept screaming as its green fire chewed a tunnel through Mace's guts and speared out his back. His hand seized hers instinctively, locking her blade against his body so that she could not kill him by slashing it free. HIS OWN BLADE IGNITED-BUT HE COULD NOT STRIKE HER. Even now. Not here, so close he could kiss her instead; not while her scream spiraled up into a shriek; not while he had to look into her wide staring eyes and see no hate or rage but only stark agony.
Mace backpedaled, parrying frantically, absorbing the shock of her attacks with bent arms and a two-handed grip. He was taller than she, with more reach and weight, and vastly more muscle in his upper body, but she drove him backward as though he were a child. Green flame struck through his guard, and only a frantic jerk of his head turned what would have been a brain-burning thrust into a line of char along his cheekbone.
STILL HE DID NOT STRIKE BACK.
Mace got it now: as each Akk Guard died, his share of pelekotan backflowed through the bonds Vaster had forged among them.
She was getting stronger.
And with each stroke of her blade, he could feel himself slipping into the shadows. He had to. She was too strong, too fast, too everything. The only way he could survive was to give more of himself to Vaapad. To give all of himself (shaterpoint)
When one of the guards died, Depa was getting stronger, because of the link Vastor forged between them and Depa fully gave her self to Vaapad, while Mace didn't, you must give yourself completely to Vaapad, to enjoy the fight, to wield it properly. And Mace didn't want to hurt Depa, he still loved her, not to mention he was tired, (he was just fighting a battle, while Depa and Vastor war in the command center and had plenty of time to rest) injured(the beating he tok from Vastor) and was emotionally conflicted(Depa)
Now, Depa is very good, but if Mace was going all out to kill her, i think he would win in a decent fight.
You say that Dooku is almost certainly is her superior, he is her superior. Practiced Makashi for 8 decades to the highest degree, gave Master Yoda a hard fight, described as one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Orders 25000 year history and an even greater Sith Lord, also described in one book as a legendary swordmaster...
Now if Dooku is her superior, which you also believe, then Anakin is her superior as well, he is better combatant then Dooku and Mace. Here are some quotes about Anakin
-Vastor has power on the scale of Master Yoda, or young Anakin Skywalker/Mace Windu(Shatterpoint)
-After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not? And have we not ensured that all the galaxy shares this opinion?/Dart Sidious(ROTS novel)
-Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger/Mace Windu(Rots novel)
-The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.
He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it./Writer about Anakin(Rots novel)
Notice at the first one, he says he has the power on a scale of Yoda or Anakin, more then his. (Mace)
Depa may be older and more experienced then Keonobi, but when has more experience meant someone is better, if more experience meant defining factor in a victory, Dooku would defeat Anakin, Sidious would defeat Mace, hell, Dooku and Sidious would just die of looking at Yoda, because he has so much more experience then them. And Mace also commented in ROTS novel, that Obi-Wan is his equal( it's likely a hyperbolic statement, but coming from the second most powerful Jedi alive that's saying something) and that he is the best Jedi to take down General Grievous.
General Grievous fought 5 Jedi at a same time and he pwnd them, true they were exhausted, but like Ki Adi Mundi said, when is the last time someone fought 5 Jedi at the same time and stood his own. Trained by Dooku himself, knows every form(little of Vaapad to), one of the greatest nemesis the Jedi Order ever faced, can manage 20 strikes per second...
I agree with you with about Maul.
Asajj isn't in the "A" group, in Dark Rendezvous she got pwned by Dooku, while he used only a finger an in Obsession, Obi-Wan had no problem parrying her strikes, while he didn't even tried to attack her, he wanted to redeem her. She is very good, but not on the top tier level.
Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Tin Seasee were all described by the writer of Rots novel, as one of the best swordsman the Jedi order ever produced, when was Depa ever described as one of the best, or as one of the most powerful?
Sora Bulq gave Mace Windu a good fight, Mace at his best, and i think he mastered the blade-work of Vaapad, yes, its true that Mace says that he didn't master Vaapad, Vaapad mastered him, but i think, that's because he was seduced by the Dark Side, because using Vaapad brings you close to the Dark Side, you have to watch your emotions, this is where Sora Bulq failed, not in the blade-work.
And i think i remember reading somewhere(not sure), that he was described as one of the best lightsaber instructors, the Order ever had.
Can anybody confirm this?
Cin Drallig was noted by Dooku, that he could take General Griveous and like darthsith said, he was the battlemaster of the order, you have to be very, very good , to occupy this position.
The list dartsith wrote is good, Sora and Drallig deserve it more then Anoon and Asajj.
Again, Depa is very, very good, i just think she is not an "A "group material and Anakin is.
And, how do you quote between the lines? Can somebody tell me.