Anakin"Rots" vs Depa Billada

Cin was the Battlemaster, and you can't be the Battlemaster without possessing some of the greatest saber skills in the order. Dooku even brings up his name when reprimanding Grievous, along with the names "Kenobi, Mace and Yoda' (this is in LOE).

As for Sora and Asajj, Asajj is on Anakin's level 6 months before ROTS, while Sora put up a decent against Mace. I find the latter more impressive.

Plus Sora knows Vaapad,

he's Dooku's right-hand man (not Asajj), and he was tooling Vos until Vos tried his hardest and caught Sora by surprise. And Dooku actually shows a little emotion when Sora dies, when Asajj dies, well, he's the one who orders it, shows how much more important Sora is than Asajj.

Sora was important to Dooku because of the part he played in confounding double-agents like Quinlan Vos - by allowing the Jedi mole to be misinformed, and thus give the Council flawed information, he helped to keep Palpatine's identity a secret.

Ventress? She was a weapon, pure and simple. When he needed someone intimidated or someone dead, he sent her. Who was chosen to test Anakin's power and prowess? You'd think if Sora had been held in such high esteem he would've been sent. Dooku believed Anakin to be "more than a match" for Skywalker, and even Sidious recognized that he would need the Dark side to win against her.

No, I'd say Asajj has shown that she is a firmly above Sora Bulq.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I read it to, great book and she did very well, actually she was vining the fight with Mace, but this also happened

Now, Depa is very good, but if Mace was going all out to kill her, i think he would win in a decent fight.

Now if Dooku is her superior, which you also believe, then Anakin is her superior as well, he is better combatant then Dooku and Mace.

ABC arguments don't work, period, so don't ever try to use one.

2) Anakin better than Dooku or Mace? WTF?

In one instance, Anakin managed to get the better of Dooku. How? An unconventional and totally out-of-the-blue maneuver. Was it legit? Absolutely, and the fact that he managed to pull it off speaks volumes for his skill. I'm not arguing this.

But to say that the outcome of single battle puts him at a higher standing than a prodigiously talented and extraordinarily powerful Sith Lord who has 70 years more experience than Anakin, and has time and time again displayed far greater mastery of the Force is just stupid.

-Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger/Mace Windu(Rots novel)

-The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.

-Vastor has power on the scale of Master Yoda, or young Anakin Skywalker/Mace Windu(Shatterpoint)

He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it./Writer about Anakin(Rots novel)

Notice at the first one, he says he has the power on a scale of Yoda or Anakin, more then his. (Mace)

if more experience meant defining factor in a victory, Dooku would defeat Anakin,

In a no-holds-barred battle where the Sith Lord brings his considerably superior Force abilities to bear, Skywalker would be crushed.

Sidious would defeat Mace,

And Mace also commented in ROTS novel, that Obi-Wan is his equal( it's likely a hyperbolic statement, but coming from the second most powerful Jedi alive that's saying something)

Btw, "surpassed" > "equal."

and that he is the best Jedi to take down General Grievous.

General Grievous fought 5 Jedi at a same time and he pwnd them, true they were exhausted, but like Ki Adi Mundi said, when is the last time someone fought 5 Jedi at the same time and stood his own.

So, five exhausted, terrified, and desperate Jedi against a souped up cyborg with multiple lightsabers who they have no experience against? Not much to write home about.

Trained by Dooku himself, knows every form(little of Vaapad to),

one of the greatest nemesis the Jedi Order ever faced,

can manage 20 strikes per second...

Asajj isn't in the "A" group, in Dark Rendezvous she got pwned by Dooku, while he used only a finger

2) On Vjun, a planet steeped in the Dark side, which Dooku could immerse and empower himself in.

an in Obsession, Obi-Wan had no problem parrying her strikes, while he didn't even tried to attack her, he wanted to redeem her.

She is very good, but not on the top tier level.

Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Tin Seasee were all described by the writer of Rots novel, as one of the best swordsman the Jedi order ever produced, when was Depa ever described as one of the best, or as one of the most powerful?

Hyperbole doesn't make someone good - action does.

Sora Bulq gave Mace Windu a good fight, Mace at his best, and i think he mastered the blade-work of Vaapad, yes, its true that Mace says that he didn't master Vaapad, Vaapad mastered him, but i think, that's because he was seduced by the Dark Side, because using Vaapad brings you close to the Dark Side, you have to watch your emotions, this is where Sora Bulq failed, not in the blade-work.

And i think i remember reading somewhere(not sure), that he was described as one of the best lightsaber instructors, the Order ever had.
Can anybody confirm this?

Cin Drallig was noted by Dooku, that he could take General Griveous and like darthsith said, he was the battlemaster of the order, you have to be very, very good , to occupy this position.

The list dartsith wrote is good, Sora and Drallig deserve it more then Anoon and Asajj.

Again, Depa is very, very good, i just think she is not an "A "group material and Anakin is

Just a note: Mace was hardly confused or anything of the sort. He had realized, accepted and rationalized what Sora had become by the time he confronted him. He said himself he'd earlier let himself be blinded to what he wanted to see.

Moreover, on the matter of Grievous: Grievous is an extremely dangerous warrior. On his opening debut at Geonosis, he killed the Jedi in the catacombs with supposedly his bare hands, he killed T'Chuka Doon, a Jedi Master described as powerful in the Force and whom the force was with that day, when T'Chuka moves to face him certainly knowing of the danger.
Grievous also faced and defeated Durge and Asajj Ventress simultaneously (Clone Wariors Adventures Vol. 3), that speaks volumes for his skill.

As for Sora to Asajj: Asajj is a weapon, no doubt about that, but Sora is the top Dark Acolyte and for good reason: He wasn't jusgt used to confound Quin Vos (Quin came to a conclusion out of the blue when he learned Sora was the go-between on

Sora, however, was trusted with possibly the most important project in the Confederacy's war plan: the Morgukai Shadow Army. he is shown to be the better of Tholme (Who is most certainly no push over). Sora's position is further cemented by the fact that his position as Dooku's first lieutenant is unquestioned, as opposed to the infighting among the other Dark Acolytes. He is mentioned as the corruption that can infest even the best of Jedi and is mentioned as a 'grievous loss.' Dooku casually sacrificed Asajj at the end-he was furious Bulq was killed. Asajj is a weapon and a killer, but Sora was the closest thing Dooku had to a second.

And as for Cin: he's mentioned as a worthy competitor for Grievous and hailed as one of Yoda's personal Padawans. His death to Anakin is a sign of Ani's skill, not Cin's deficiency.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Just a note: Mace was hardly confused or anything of the sort. He had realized, accepted and rationalized what Sora had become by the time he confronted him. He said himself he'd earlier let himself be blinded to what he wanted to see.

Moreover, on the matter of Grievous: Grievous is an extremely dangerous warrior.

On his opening debut at Geonosis, he killed the Jedi in the catacombs with supposedly his bare hands,

he killed T'Chuka Doon, a Jedi Master described as powerful in the Force and whom the force was with that day, when T'Chuka moves to face him certainly knowing of the danger.

Grievous also faced and defeated Durge and Asajj Ventress simultaneously (Clone Wariors Adventures Vol. 3), that speaks volumes for his skill.

That aside, he managed to physically manhandle Ventress at her lowest point - six months later, she crushes Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan in quick succession.

As for Sora to Asajj: Asajj is a weapon, no doubt about that, but Sora is the top Dark Acolyte and for good reason: He wasn't jusgt used to confound Quin Vos (Quin came to a conclusion out of the blue when he learned Sora was the go-between on

Sora, however, was trusted with possibly the most important project in the Confederacy's war plan: the Morgukai Shadow Army. he is shown to be the better of Tholme (Who is most certainly no push over). Sora's position is further cemented by the fact that his position as Dooku's first lieutenant is unquestioned, as opposed to the infighting among the other Dark Acolytes. He is mentioned as the corruption that can infest even the best of Jedi and is mentioned as a 'grievous loss.'

Dooku casually sacrificed Asajj at the end-he was furious Bulq was killed. Asajj is a weapon and a killer, but Sora was the closest thing Dooku had to a second.

And as for Cin: he's mentioned as a worthy competitor for Grievous

and hailed as one of Yoda's personal Padawans.

His death to Anakin is a sign of Ani's skill, not Cin's deficiency.

It would be a testament to Anakin's ability if the instructor had ever actually done something worth mentioning or demonstrated swordsmanship/power on par with or exceeding that of most council members. He has not.

Originally posted by Faunus
Simply being the lightsaber instructor of the Order's children doesn't make him good. Hell, Dooku also brings up the rest of the council, most of whom have actually demonstrated a high degree of lightsaber or Force prowess. Cin's greatest feat was getting casually manhandled by Anakin, who was strangling a girl to death with his spare hand. Impressive? I wouldn't't say so.

Sora duelled a confused and distracted Mace who'd just found out that one of his oldest friends had gone renegade. Forget about the four or five Jedi Knights and Padawans that Ventress was slaughtering a short distance away. If Mace had been trying his hardest he would've obliterated Bulq, period.

Gee, I wonder what form Depa Billaba mastered to such high levels that she impressed its creator.

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Sora was important to Dooku because of the part he played in confounding double-agents like Quinlan Vos - by allowing the Jedi mole to be misinformed, and thus give the Council flawed information, he helped to keep Palpatine's identity a secret.

Ventress? She was a weapon, pure and simple. When he needed someone intimidated or someone dead, he sent her. Who was chosen to test Anakin's power and prowess? You'd think if Sora had been held in such high esteem he would've been sent. Dooku believed Anakin to be "more than a match" for Skywalker, and even Sidious recognized that he would need the Dark side to win against her.

No, I'd say Asajj has shown that she is a firmly above Sora Bulq.

I don't think I ever brought up the fight with Mace.

Of course he would. Who said otherwise?

1) Well, Mace put Darth Sidious on his ass, who was described by Yoda as being far too powerful for Obi-Wan to even compete with, and the latter Jedi tooled Anakin. So I guess Mace >>> Anakin, right?

ABC arguments don't work, period, so don't ever try to use one.

2) Anakin better than Dooku or Mace? WTF?

In one instance, Anakin managed to get the better of Dooku. How? An unconventional and totally out-of-the-blue maneuver. Was it legit? Absolutely, and the fact that he managed to pull it off speaks volumes for his skill. I'm not arguing this.

But to say that the outcome of single battle puts him at a higher standing than a prodigiously talented and extraordinarily powerful Sith Lord who has 70 years more experience than Anakin, and has time and time again displayed far greater mastery of the Force is just stupid.

Please. All the power and hyperbole in the world didn't allow Anakin to overpower Obi-Wan in a Force contest. Any of the PT era's top dogs would tool his shit in that department.

In most situations, he would. Have you ever stopped and considered what the result of that duel would've been if Dooku had done to Anakin what he did to Obi-Wan, and vice-versa? If the fight had continued with Anakin taken out of comission, and Kenobi as the lone combatant? I didn't think so.

In a no-holds-barred battle where the Sith Lord brings his considerably superior Force abilities to bear, Skywalker would be crushed.

I'd say Sidious would defeat Mace more often than not in an area where he could better utilize some of his Sith powers. Hell, replace Yoda with Mace in the Rotunda battle and he's got himself a win.

Which you have yet to provide a quote for...

Btw, "surpassed" > "equal."

Which Mace did himself in seconds atop a mag-lev.

General Grievous fought five exhausted, wounded, and desperate Jedi at once, yes. On even terms? Yeah, right. We saw what happens when a cyborg tries to take on a skilled Jedi in straight fight. The Hypori incident had Grievous with the elements of surprise and fear on his side, as well as the fact that these Jedi had never seen or heard of anything like him.

So, five exhausted, terrified, and desperate Jedi against a souped up cyborg with multiple lightsabers who they have no experience against? Not much to write home about.

So were his guards.

Aside from the myriad of powerful Sith Lords and renegade Jedi that proceeded, yeah.

Not in the movie.

1) Yes, by Dooku, one of the most powerful beings of his era.

2) On Vjun, a planet steeped in the Dark side, which Dooku could immerse and empower himself in.

This is an insane, twisted version of the character who performs far worse than she did at her peak.

If by "top tier" you mean Yoda, Sidious, Dooku, and Mace; no shit. But she's demonstrated prowess on par with and occasionally surpassing that of Obi-Wan and Anakin, who I see you guys have included in your list.

When was Drallig, hm? Or Sora?

Hyperbole doesn't make someone good - action does.

You think. And Sora's supposed mastery of Vaapad's bladework still managed to get him casually fried by Dooku while the Sith simultaneously toyed with Master Tholme. We know that wouldn't't happen to Mace, so comparing the two is futile.

I'm quite sure no canon source has ever stated that.

You have to be very, very good to train younglings in Shii-Cho and Niman? Not to mention that Dooku said Grievous would have serious problems if he fought any council member on even terms. Does that make Saesee Tinn a saber god?

They really don't. Sora might, but Drallig has demonstrated nothing remotely impressive.

Anakin is, definitely. And so is Depa.

That's because Anakin is so good, like Lightsnake said, it makes Anakin look good, not Cin bad. They don't give the position of a battlemaster to anyone, you have to be very good to occupy this position.

Mace was thinking clearly and he was trying his hardest, like you said, those 4 Jedi were in danger, Mace had to defeat Sora as quickly as possible, to go to help those Jedi, whose life's were in danger. He didn't had time to mes around.

He meant that Sora also knows Vaapad, no one said that Depa doesn't know it.

Sora gives Mace a good fight, Asajj runs from him immediately, yes later she becomes stronger, but i don't think she is on Soras level, in Obsession(many here believe, that in Obsession is where she is the strongest), Obi-Wan casually parys her strikes, while trying to redeem her, Sora would be a more challenging opponent then that.

Oh, i thought you hold her in such high regard, because of the fight with Mace.

Well, didn't you use an ABC argument

Well, Mace put Darth Sidious on his ass, who was described by Yoda as being far too powerful for Obi-Wan to even compete with, and the latter Jedi tooled Anakin. So I guess Mace >>> Anakin, right?

Lets use you example-

Mace defeated Sidous in a saber match only, Anakin can defeat him in a saber match only as well and Sidious would only defeat Obi-Wan easily in the Force, not with sabers and Anakin/Kenobi fight had special circumstances, like Anakin being emotionally conflicted, Obi-Wan trained him, so he knows his moves(the same applies for Anakin, but still), Anakin was to arrogant and even with all those handicaps, Anakin still drove Obi-Wan back, that he had to resort, using the higher ground tactics. Anakin in normal circumstances on neutral ground, is much better then Kenobi.

In swordsmanship he is.

No, it wasn't a lucky move and in wasn't in one instance, the novel makes it clear, that the fight between them could happen 100 times and Anakin would win 100 times. He only needed to decide to win, and he won, he decided to cut of his arms and in next second he cut them of.

-Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail./ROTS novel

-Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste-the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life-are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax.

Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke. /ROTS novel

-In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.

Decide.

So he does.

He decides to win.

He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair. The hand falls with a bar of scarlet blaze still extending from its spastic death grip, and Anakin's heart sings for the fall of that red blade.

He reaches out and the Force catches it for him./ROTS novel

Not to mention, that Anakin is the most prodigiously talented person in SW universe.

Like i said, there were special circumstances in that fight and better Force mastery didn't help Count Dooku.

-Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke

Like i said, he wouldn't't, Anakin is simply, just better then Count Dooku and almost every fight between them would end the same.

But he didn't win in a movie and i was arguing about experience, you said Count Dooku is more experienced then Anakin, i just meant that experience isn't a defining factor in a fight, that's why i put these examples, where more experienced fighters lost.

I just meant theat Maces opinions aren't fact.

But he didn't destroy him and later all Council agrees that obi-Wan Kenobi is the best Jedi to take down Grievous not Mace.

Still he fought 5 Jedi at a same time and won, how many can say that and live to tell the story. Griveous, by Dookus words is even more powerful then Asajj and he defeats Asajj and Durge together and Durge is no pushover, defeats numerous Jedi, like Adi Gallia, Shaak Ti...

This is what Mace says about him

-Mace nodded. "Yoda and I will remain on Coruscant, monitoring Palpatine's advisers and lackeys; we'll move against Sidious the instant he is revealed. But who will capture Grievous? I have fought him blade-to-blade. He is more than a match for most Jedi.

He is much better then his guards.

Not every Sith Lord and renegade Jedi posed a bigger threat then Grievous.

Well in the movies Mace and Sidious moved like 70 years old people, those that mean they don't move really fast, the point is, he is the same character as he is in EU.

Well if its a planet steeped in the Dark side, where Dooku can immerse and empower himself in, shouldn't that mean that Asajj can do the same thing, she is a Darksider as well.
And doesn't it say, that it just makes practicing the Dark arts easier?

Many here, would say that that's when she is the strongest and that's just an excuse, she wasn't able to do it, that's why.

But that is before ROTS, where they(Anakin and Kenobi), become more powerful, hell in Obsession, she wasn't even a threat anymore.

And her actions proved that Mace at his best, could defeat her easily, if she was in top tier, she would be close to Mace and the guys like Yoda, Dooku..., but she isn't.

That's because Dooku has better offensive weaponry then Mace and who was comparing Sora to Mace. Of course Mace is much better.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/sorabulq/?id=eu

Sora Bulq was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi order had ever known, perfecting the various forms of combat techniques, both classical and experimental.
So, one of the greatest lightsaber instructors in 25000 years history of the order, that's hugely impressive.

Battlemaster trains others in art of the saber, so he has to be very good, they wouldn't put some lame teacher to teach others, a teacher has to be good, to better teach others and Drallig teached Obi-Wan and Anakin and his Apprentice Sera Keto was also very good.

The list is good.

Anakin is, Depa isn't.

Sorry about the double post, but it said i had to many characters.

Originally posted by Faunus
Either way, Mace is obviously not aiming to kill. We've seen how his personal feelings can affect his actions (Geonosis, the duel against Depa), so even if Windu does finally realize that Sora is beyond redemption he's not going all out.

I didn't argue that, but it's clearly stated and later demonstrated that in a head-to-head fight where he doesn't have fear and surprise on his side, he can't keep up with the more advanced Jedi. On that note, can you show me an instance where Grievous enters a fair fight against [b]notable opponents and comes out on top?

Also, on Boz Pity, he kills Adi Gallia, and she's certainly no push over. Sure, he can't keep up with Mace or Dooku or Yoda or Palpatine in a fair fight- but not many people can.

Jedi whom he ambushes and shreds while they're busy pursuing the Separatists, yes. [/Quoote]
Actually, he encounters them in the catacombs of Geonosis....no room to ambush or surprise, and all of them are torn apart.
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T'Chooka D'oon was perhaps Grievous' only "fair" kill, with the exception of Adi Gallia. And neither of them are noted as being considerably talented warriors.

He also got the drop on both of them, IIRC.

That aside, he managed to physically manhandle Ventress at her lowest point - six months later, she crushes Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan in quick succession.

I'll let you finish this sentence...

I didn't say that Sora wasn't important to the Count. But by no means does that make him better in combat than Asajj, that assertion being the entire purpose of this argument.

By this logic, Maul and Dooku suck because Sidious showed little to no emotion when they died, and even ordered the execution of the latter.

As is Kit Fisto, and by that token Ki-Adi-Mundi and Agen Kolar - in the same passage, btw - all of whom have displayed notable skill or power, which is more than I can say for Cin Drallig.

And your point is...?

So the death of the younglings is sign of skill, and not the "deficiency" of the murdered party?

It would be a testament to Anakin's ability if the instructor had ever actually done something worth mentioning or demonstrated swordsmanship/power on par with or exceeding that of most council members. He has not. [/B]

I'd say Anakin has most certainly got the credentials.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
At this point, Mace is not holding back, though. Before he confronts Sora, he says he's realized what Sora has become and that he must stop him. He realizes, however, the time it takes to kill Sora qill allow Asajj to finish the others, so he attacks to incapacitate-something Sora was not expecting

Second, if Mace was going all out with the intention of getting rid of Sora, he would have. How hard would it've been to kill the guy when he was unconcious?

T'Chooka Doon would certainly be one of them. He was described as strong in the force, and extremely formidable...he also took out Doon's Padawan and his new master B'dard simultaneously when the two set up everything just to kill Grievous.

In General Grievous 1, T'Chooka runs back to fight Grievous to buy time for the others to escape-no surprise attack.
On Boz Pity, Adi is shown dueling Grievous after he kills Soon Baytes...no surprise attacks there, really

This is also after the whole debacle with Bulq. And don't forget he's beating her simultaneously with Durge.

Also, in the ROTS novelization, Grievous recounts his favorite trophies, which were apparently acquired during straight duels-such as Jmmar, who was killed on an open field.

If Sora wasn't the more powerful of the two, then we'd be hard pressed to explain Asajj being expendable to Dooku while Sora was not

And those three are described as three of the best swordsmen the Jedi Order ever produced. That puts Cin amongst rather distinguished company, I'd say.

And how does that relate to Cin at all? They're all noted as Grievous' equals or betters in direct combat, but the three I mentioned have actually done something. Agen Kolar disarmed and humiliated Quinlan Vos with ease, Kit Fisto's lightsaber abilities dazzled a CW-era Obi-Wan and impressed Mace Windu, and Ki-Adi-Mundi's Force powers are extremely impressive.

Again: what has Drallig done?

I'd expect a battlemaster and saber combat expert personally trained by Yoda to have quite some skill is all

2) I never said he's "unskilled." Just that he's not the sabergod that everyone makes him out to be.

This is misdirection and you know it. The younglings are not renowned saber masters.

How about defeating Asajj Ventress in a saber duel twice, defeating-and killing-Durge with both sills force power, defeating three of Dooku's prized Dark Acolytes simultaneously, killing Cin Drallig, whose saber skills were indeed described as superior to members of the council, killing Jocasta Nu without any effort, killing Count Dooku (Which you most certainly stated was impressive on Anakin's part) while before pulling off said physical maneuver, he was forcing Dooku back and sent him spinning off balance.

I'd say Anakin has most certainly got the credentials.

Now, regarding Grievous. I don't even know how the guy got involved in this argument, but I never stated that he was in any way a subpar or weak combatant. He's obviously very, very good, and a force to be reckoned with. But by the volition of the very man who trained him, any of the top ranked Jedi in the Order would either present a very grave threat to him or crush him outright if he chose to engage them in open combat. I don't want my stance on him to be misinterpreted.

Originally posted by Faunus
For one, Asajj was literally toying with the four Jedi - she could've killed them at any second.

Second, if Mace was going all out with the intention of getting rid of Sora, he would have. How hard would it've been to kill the guy when he was unconcious?

So he kills some random Jedi in open combat. I never said he couldn't. I've even referenced Dooku's reprimand of his fighting style, when the Count notes that Cin Drallig or any of the [b]Council members would pose a serious threat to him in single combat.

Because he's more useful, as well as far better suited to the role he played than Ventress would have been. Asajj, for all her cunning and deadly skill, is far more influenced by her "weaker" emotions than Bulq is. The Cestus Deception showcases this quite well.

Ki-Adi-Mundi isn't, but is decidedly far more powerful in the Force.

And how does that relate to Cin at all? They're all noted as Grievous' equals or betters in direct combat, but the three I mentioned have actually done something. Agen Kolar disarmed and humiliated Quinlan Vos with ease, Kit Fisto's lightsaber abilities dazzled a CW-era Obi-Wan and impressed Mace Windu, and Ki-Adi-Mundi's Force powers are extremely impressive.

Again: what has Drallig done?

1) Being trained by Yoda =/= Great skill.

2) I never said he's "unskilled." Just that he's not the sabergod that everyone makes him out to be.

The point stands; that kind of logic does not fly.

WTF? Who's talking about Anakin? I said that Drallig has nothing to his name, which is completely true. And the ease with which he was murdered can't be an argument in his favor no matter how you spin it.

Now, regarding Grievous. I don't even know how the guy got involved in this argument, but I never stated that he was in any way a subpar or weak combatant. He's obviously very, very good, and a force to be reckoned with. But by the volition of the very man who trained him, any of the top ranked Jedi in the Order would either present a very grave threat to him or crush him outright if he chose to engage them in open combat. I don't want my stance on him to be misinterpreted. [/B]

who is bildo delaba, anakin wins.

Anakin wont blow past her, I'd actually be close to his fight with Dooku in terms of length and difficulty, at least IMO. Depa is no slouch, but shes no Dooku and shes no Anakin, despite with Mace says about her.