Classic Beyonder vs. Kami-Tenchi

Originally posted by Astner
Let´s compare, he exist in the 13th dimension.
He created a 12th dimension where he put 3 Choushin´s who created another 11 dimensions, in a collection known as a hyper-dimension.

Nowhere is it officially stated that he is the equicalment of TOAA, nor does he have the feats or statements suporting it.

Originally posted by lando005
the goddess did not create the other realities he did there is nothing in the tenchi universe more powerful than him. The goddess thought themselves the most powerful beings in all reality but could not even precive the concept of kami tenchi. Your asking proof that goes without saying. We dont ask of proof of TOAA because we all know that in the world of marvel he is the powerful being there is, same concept applys to Kami Tenchi, in the world of Tenchi he is the most powerful being there is, same could be said of dc, wild storm or any other comic book company with their god, doesn't mean we ask proof of this it's a fact that's already known

TOAA >> LT >> Omniversal busters

Simple as that.

Marvel Omniverse is even bigger, scale-wise than Tenchi Muyo!´s hyper-dimensions.

There is a anime/manga called Slayers, with a God named Lord of Nightmares, she was stated to be omnipotent, the creator and all the rest.
But she showed flaws, a being in her own creation, survived a direct blast from her.

If you don´t question then you stay ignorant.

The Beyonder has been cut down in power so drastically since his beggining, when I read Secret Wars The Beyonder was the universe... I mean he was an entire universe. How can you beat someone in their universe when they are the universe? simple answer you can't. So I'll be politically correct and say that in his universe he would win, but in the Tenchi Universe he would lose.... maybe.

Originally posted by Astner
OK, lets put it this way, we know that The-One-Above-All is above the Living Tribunal who is the second most powerful being in Marvel, more powerful than Omniversal busters.

TOAA >> LT >> Omniversal busters

Simple as that.

Marvel Omniverse is even bigger, scale-wise than Tenchi Muyo!´s hyper-dimensions.

There is a anime/manga called Slayers, with a God named Lord of Nightmares, she was stated to be omnipotent, the creator and all the rest.
But she showed flaws, a being in her own creation, survived a direct blast from her.

If you don´t question then you stay ignorant.

Accept it, none in Tenchi Muyo! have feats anywhere close to Beyonder in his days, he wins by default.

And he does not represent the power of the wrtiers either.

Point is, you can have the power of a Infinite and do all those things and state all the things that Kami Tenchi did--create universes, dimension life etc. you don´t have to be TOAA to do what Kami Tenchi did.

Originally posted by Astner
Accept it, none in Tenchi Muyo! have feats anywhere close to Beyonder in his days, he wins by default.

And he does not represent the power of the wrtiers either.

Point is, you can have the power of a Infinite and do all those things and state all the things that Kami Tenchi did--create universes, dimension life etc. you don´t have to be TOAA to do what Kami Tenchi did.

Yes, people could question TOAA, they have all right doing so.

But from what´s stated in biographies and what not, TOAA is supreme in Marvel, thus beyond Omniversal busters.

Kami, is a etinity in the series which power surpasses the Choushin´s, and he does not surpass any Omniversal buster, from what´s on panel.

God doesn´t really mean anything, Kami, God in Dragonball was surpassed by Goku.

Even Cube Beings have a level of omnipotence and infinite power.

In fictions there is always infinity + 1, there is no prime state which you cannot surpass, because you can always draw a more powerful being.

And the title is quite old, besides there are a Celestial named The One Above All--title does not equal authority or power.

Spider-man could also change his name, being the most powerful in a universe don´t stand for much, look at Shaman King for instance--the king od spirits, omnipotent, the powers that shaped the universe, yet no feat surpassing Eternity even ... Fact is Eternity´s feats surpasses it.
- Also Dragonball is a good example for that most powerful in the universe ... Bah you get the picture.

I´ve debated this at the NF, for what was about 30 pages, I made hundreds of post, not really convicing anyone (as far as I know) -- So I´m not going to spend more time here.
You cannot learn a old dog to sit right, as they outwaited (to death) the scientists that didn´t accept that the atom could be splitted.
You cannot be convinced, because you act like you have it all figured out, your mind closed for new ideas--as I said I won´t keep on trying.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes, people could question TOAA, they have all right doing so.

But from what´s stated in biographies and what not, TOAA is supreme in Marvel, thus beyond Omniversal busters.

Kami, is a etinity in the series which power surpasses the Choushin´s, and he does not surpass any Omniversal buster, from what´s on panel.

God doesn´t really mean anything, Kami, God in Dragonball was surpassed by Goku.

Even Cube Beings have a level of omnipotence and infinite power.

In fictions there is always infinity + 1, there is no prime state which you cannot surpass, because you can always draw a more powerful being.

And the title is quite old, besides there are a Celestial named The One Above All--title does not equal authority or power.

Spider-man could also change his name, being the most powerful in a universe don´t stand for much, look at Shaman King for instance--the king od spirits, omnipotent, the powers that shaped the universe, yet no feat surpassing Eternity even ... Fact is Eternity´s feats surpasses it.
- Also Dragonball is a good example for that most powerful in the universe ... Bah you get the picture.

I´ve debated this at the NF, for what was about 30 pages, I made hundreds of post, not really convicing anyone (as far as I know) -- So I´m not going to spend more time here.
You cannot learn a old dog to sit right, as they outwaited (to death) the scientists that didn´t accept that the atom could be splitted.
You cannot be convinced, because you act like you have it all figured out, your mind closed for new ideas--as I said I won´t keep on trying.

To clarify, no one survived an attack by the Lord of Nightmares in Slayers, what happened was Lina channeled her power through herself and couldn't control it, and that's why it didn't work. If L-sama herself had been personally behind the attack, it would have worked easily.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
To clarify, no one survived an attack by the Lord of Nightmares in Slayers, what happened was Lina channeled her power through herself and couldn't control it, and that's why it didn't work. If L-sama herself had been personally behind the attack, it would have worked easily.

The Giga Slave is a portion of L-sama´s power, no where does it say it was limited by Lina, or by the user.

Besides Ruby Eye Shabranigdo, has not even feats that put him over Dr. Strange ... Yet he survived a blast from Lina who was hosted by L-sama, yes you SUMMON L-sama when you cast Giga Slave.

Originally posted by Astner
Speculation.

The Giga Slave is a portion of L-sama´s power, no where does it say it was limited by Lina, or by the user.

Besides Ruby Eye Shabranigdo, has not even feats that put him over Dr. Strange ... Yet he survived a blast from Lina who was hosted by L-sama, yes you SUMMON L-sama when you cast Giga Slave.

Shabranigdo was the source of all magic in an entire universe, he's an Eternity - level entity. L-sama destroyed Hellmaster Phibrizzo because he asked her to, normally she just wouldn't care, and Lina couldn't handle her power correctly.

Your argument is analogous to stating that when Green Arrow used all of his willpower and only make one arrow with Hal's GL ring, that is the maximum possible power of a GL ring.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Shabranigdo was the source of all magic in an entire universe, he's an Eternity - level entity. L-sama destroyed Hellmaster Phibrizzo because he asked her to, normally she just wouldn't care, and Lina couldn't handle her power correctly.

Your argument is analogous to stating that when Green Arrow used all of his willpower and only make one arrow with Hal's GL ring, that is the maximum possible power of a GL ring.

There are a manga and a anime as well, but they´re crap. In the novels the author even claims he have conntact with L-sama ... Schizophernia?

That's called breaking the fourth wall.

Do you think the writers of She - Hulk, Deadpool, and Lobo comics are schizophrenic?